BobChalmers Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 http://drafthistory.com/positions/qb.html good link to quickly see when all QB's were drafted. It's all a risk, but QB's bust rate isn't higher than any other position. This list is particularly remarkable - it's true there are exceptions, but the fact is nearly every Super Bowl involves at least one and often two 1st round QB's. What's a bit odd is that that includes Trent Dilfer, who's never going to be regarded as a top QB or the reason the Ravens were champions, but he _was_ a first-rounder too... http://www.drafthistory.com/superbowl_quarterbacks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Where do good QB's come from??? California Baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Their mother's uterus well, technically it starts simultaneously in two different spots, the mothers ovary, and the fathers testicle, then do to an interaction between the two.......nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 the first round of the draft is still by far your best shot at getting a good QB (Actually you can insert any postion here) to build around. Great info. This kind of infromation should really change how poeple look at the draft moving forward. I understand beyond the rounds, the postition within the round can have an impact too. Look, this is the wrong discussion. The discusion is, at which position would a Franchise player improve the team the most as compared to what is available at the pick given. Might be a QB, might be a DE, might be an OT. If the Bills had the #2 pick last year I would have been very unhappy with a QB, because there was only one QB in the draft worth picking early and he went #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyd19 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 well, technically it starts simultaneously in two different spots, the mothers ovary, and the fathers testicle, then do to an interaction between the two.......nevermind. I thought it was the stork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson from Gamehendge Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Lists are great.......here's some more First Round QB's you forget to mention: Jamarcus Russell Brady Quinn Matt Leinart Alex Smith J P Losman Byron Leftwich Kyle Boller Rex Grossman David Carr Joey Harrington Patrick Ramsey Tim Couch Akili Smith Cade McNown Ryan Leaf And with the exception of maybe a hand full of guys, I would still take most of THAT list over our current QB's. That is exactly how bad our QB's suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 You would think this is as obvious as the sun rising in the east, but rest assured there will be an influx of posters with limited knowledge of modern NFL football that will assert that the Bills should reach on an offensive/defensive lineman or linebacker instead. These people should scare you. They are the same types of people we've had running our team into the ground for the last decade. The problem with this is that there are many other variables not discussed, simply the draft order of the QBs. Take the Jets for example, a few years ago they took 2 Offensive lineman in the first round, D'Brick and Mangold, and THEN got their franchise QB, the Rams took their LT two years ago, the year BEFORE Bradford, and that's not to say that the Bills shouldn't draft a QB, but all of the facts have to be put into light along with when a QB was drafted. The truth is the teams simply went about drafting QBs in different ways based on the team direction and their needs. As for Vick, he may have been a 1st round talent, but hardly a 1st round QB as evidenced by his recent play being that of a true QB before that he was a great athlete, but more of a QB/RB, if he couldn't read the Defense, he just ran it. Flacco had a great O line and ground game to help him in his developmental year, Rivers already had a solid O line in place when he took over, the same for Favre, and you list other potentials, yet Stafford with a great tool set, can't stay healthy cuz that Detroit Offensive line can't protect him. And to be honest, that would be my biggest concern in drafting a QB top 5 overall, sure we get the talent, but will that talent last and stay healthy if we can't keep him off his back or running for his life?? That doesn't mean to draft Locker by the way, just that I would be fine with either O line or D line, needing a true Nose Tackle, in the top 5 as much as I would be fine with getting a QB...as we can look at the examples given by the Poster, Kansas City is another example of where they went with Dorsey and Jackson two consecutive years in their rebuilding phase drafting in the top 5 and then got Cassel, a guy who didn't even start a single game in college, for a 2nd round pick and between great running, an improving Defense and a smart QB are starting to make some noise. That could be short lived but we have to admit right now, they look light years ahead of the Bills....just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hplarrm Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 The immediate question facing the Bills though is not answered by the question of whether QBs prove to be busts or not but actually whether the QBs drafted helped the team which drafted them win an SB. The problem for the Bills is not simply a raw assessment of the quality of the particular players but it is that after 10 playoffless years, the legacy of a team which has yet to replace its HOF star Jimbo, and Mr. Ralph continually exercising his owners right to meddle and making poor football decisions (only he could make the salary cap ignoring handshake deal with Kelly that made the poor football judgment that Jimbo would last, he had to know or should have known that the guaranteed contract they gave RJ set the Bills up for salary cap disaster when RJ proved injury prone and Flutie performed as we wanted in a back-up role, he publicly made pro-start RJ statements after he mopped up an Indy team that quit trying after an injury in the end of season game and like it or not RJ did not lead the team to enough points to win, he either signed off on or should have known the Hobert decision was panicked idiocy, etc). The Bills it is to be hoped do not draft a QB in the first because it is pretty doubtful that the media and a small vocal part of the fan base will give any QB a chance to make mistakes and learn the game, In essence we need to invest as little as possible into finding our franchise QB as likelihood (well over 50% based on the numbers he is likely to be a bust and worse even if he is the next Brett Favre or Steve Young we are likely to run this future HOF player out of town with a premature judgment of failure by the local media. The facts are these: Most QBs picked tend to be busts (perhaps no more than other positions but the question for us is what will be the implications if Mike Williams turns out to be a bust can you potentially find a UDFA like Peters to replace him or is it more or less likely that you will find a Peters or a Kurt Warmer. My sense is that a bad LT can be covered up a bit with max protect or greater emphasis on blitz pick-up but a bad QB is harder to deal with. Even if you are as likely to find a great player at any position, the fact simply is that the bar is so high at QB that HOF players like Favre and Young can be given up on or that players who prove to be able to lead a team to an SB win like Dilfer or Brad Johnson are declared busts. We do not have a situation here where a QB even as talented as Peyton Manning would be given the time to develop or a team so good that RoboQB provides the final key element, Drafting a QB on the first will almost certainly be a disaster for this team. http://drafthistory.com/positions/qb.html good link to quickly see when all QB's were drafted. It's all a risk, but QB's bust rate isn't higher than any other position. This list is particularly remarkable - it's true there are exceptions, but the fact is nearly every Super Bowl involves at least one and often two 1st round QB's. What's a bit odd is that that includes Trent Dilfer, who's never going to be regarded as a top QB or the reason the Ravens were champions, but he _was_ a first-rounder too... http://www.drafthistory.com/superbowl_quarterbacks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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