dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I ask that honestly. Miami went 1-15 in 2007 with a new coach who was best suited to be an OC, and there was a housecleaning right after the season ended. Parcells came in, brought in his guys, and the rest is history. My starry-eyed hope: Parcells, who clearly likes working for old-time NFLers with shaky recent histories (hello, Leon Hess!!) has a jones for completing a sweep of the AFC East. He has performed rapid turnarounds on a 2-14 NE team, a 1-15 Jets team, and a 1-15 Dolphins team. The Pats made the playoffs in two years, the Jets went 9-7 his first season and went to the AFC championship game the next, and the Dolphins won the division in his first season. Not to mention his record with the Giants (who were horrible in the 1970s) and the Cowboys. I can dream, can't I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaPolian8693 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 No, they will get multiple more years, unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Nope, nothing changes. This was all part of Nix's plan. BOTTOMING OUT. If you guys can't see that at this point, well.. I'm not sure what to tell you. The thing you guys keep forgetting is Nix isn't responsible for our past draft failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 They will not go after only one year, unless they give up and decide to quit/retire These are the guys that are here to stay for atleast another 2-3 years. They never had any plans to succeed this year or do anything but evaluate players on the roster, its a throw away year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I think it all comes down to whether or not Ralph is willing to pay 2 coaches, to ummm, not coach for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Gailey and Nix are given a free ride for this year with the amount of changes they are making. There's no way they are let go after the season. They'll get at least two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conch Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 If the Bills go 1-15....this is absurd, who are we going to beat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I see at least one more year to make some progress. Although if I ran the team I would clean house. But likely this was the plan to try and be able to be bad enough to draft a franchise QB and then build around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 They will not go after only one year, unless they give up and decide to quit/retire These are the guys that are here to stay for atleast another 2-3 years. They never had any plans to succeed this year or do anything but evaluate players on the roster, its a throw away year You think that Cameron figured he'd get a mulligan for his "throwaway" year? Sorry, a 1-15 record is so far from acceptable I don't know what to say. It indicates that you're basically a bad coach. I can't think of one guy except Jimmy Johnson who ever ended up doing anything after a record like that. If you know of some, fire away. If the Bills go 1-15....this is absurd, who are we going to beat? They'll beat someone. Injuries, the weather, special teams ... something will happen that'll allow them to embarrass a superior opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You think that Cameron figured he'd get a mulligan for his "throwaway" year? Sorry, a 1-15 record is so far from acceptable I don't know what to say. It indicates that you're basically a bad coach. I can't think of one guy except Jimmy Johnson who ever ended up doing anything after a record like that. If you know of some, fire away. They'll beat someone. Injuries, the weather, special teams ... something will happen that'll allow them to embarrass a superior opponent. Bill Walsh was 2-14 his first year in San Fran. I would think it's fairly common with teams that are essentially starting over. There's basically zero chance Nix fires Gailey though, right? Aren't they on the same page at this point? It's entirely possible Ralph makes an ill advised move out of desperation, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Bill Walsh was 2-14 his first year in San Fran. I would think it's fairly common with teams that are essentially starting over. There's basically zero chance Nix fires Gailey though, right? Aren't they on the same page at this point? It's entirely possible Ralph makes an ill advised move out of desperation, though. Thanks re: Walsh. I agree that probably nothing will happen, but the one qualifier is that the a) Nix is pretty old, and b) Ralph turns 92 in 12 days. Change on that front is going to happen soon enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 the problem I have with this (and all the other FO failure posts) is that no one knows under what constraints they are operating. They may not have been aggressive this year due to other forces at play, which may or may not be temporary. So, 1-15 may mean survival if they were told upfront that the unsettled labor issue would mean they would need to cool their heels for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 (edited) the problem I have with this (and all the other FO failure posts) is that no one knows under what constraints they are operating. They may not have been aggressive this year due to other forces at play, which may or may not be temporary. So, 1-15 may mean survival if they were told upfront that the unsettled labor issue would mean they would need to cool their heels for a year. Fair point, for sure, and I was only asking a question. The future is a hard thing to predict, after all, and for all we know they'll go 6-10. It's just they really do look bad, and they don't seem to have much of a plan (either in games or with regard to personnel). FWIW, I do think the labor situation is overblown. I think that there is way too much money to be made for a prolonged lockout to occur. Edited October 6, 2010 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 I ask that honestly. Miami went 1-15 in 2007 with a new coach who was best suited to be an OC, and there was a housecleaning right after the season ended. Parcells came in, brought in his guys, and the rest is history. My starry-eyed hope: Parcells, who clearly likes working for old-time NFLers with shaky recent histories (hello, Leon Hess!!) has a jones for completing a sweep of the AFC East. He has performed rapid turnarounds on a 2-14 NE team, a 1-15 Jets team, and a 1-15 Dolphins team. The Pats made the playoffs in two years, the Jets went 9-7 his first season and went to the AFC championship game the next, and the Dolphins won the division in his first season. Not to mention his record with the Giants (who were horrible in the 1970s) and the Cowboys. I can dream, can't I? Maybe if Ralph & his stooges were out of the picture... no way Tuna would possibly want any part of this mess until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Thanks re: Walsh. I agree that probably nothing will happen, but the one qualifier is that the a) Nix is pretty old, and b) Ralph turns 92 in 12 days. Change on that front is going to happen soon enough. It's only speculation but I would hope that the hiring of Doug Whaley as Assistant GM (while his name is always mentioned as a potential GM whenever the topic is brought up) means he is actually part of some kind of succession plan to replace Nix. Buddy cannot possibly stay around for much longer than 2 or 3 seasons and it would be pretty negligent of the organization to not plan for the future--- then again, it's the Bills. When was the last time their front office was handled responsibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 You think that Cameron figured he'd get a mulligan for his "throwaway" year? Sorry, a 1-15 record is so far from acceptable I don't know what to say. It indicates that you're basically a bad coach. I can't think of one guy except Jimmy Johnson who ever ended up doing anything after a record like that. If you know of some, fire away. We don't know what kind of deal Cameron had with the Dolphins. I doubt Ralph told Nix and Gailey they had to improve this team in one offseason, He seems like the kind of guy who doesn't react too quickly and tries to let guys work things out for themselves. I believe he hired Nix and gailey looking towards the future. Nix starts the rebuild and hands the reigns over to Whaley in a couple years while they rebuild cheaply through the draft and low level FA's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Never going to happen. This is a pass year. The whole point being bottoming out and hopefully getting the 1st pick overall in the draft. This is our most important draft in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 So, 1-15 may mean survival if they were told upfront that the unsettled labor issue would mean they would need to cool their heels for a year. That was my first thought after a few posts. I cannot imagine an utter free for all, having players be released from contracts altogether, but I can envision that some players get released out of contracts or there being unforseen ramifications that will come in to play for signing long term deals. If we cut some now to sign new free agents in the next couple drafts with a rookie cap do we save money? Does that mean OBD will not up the ticket prices? It just seems like the Bills may know something, or nothing at all, about this labor dispute. Also, my biggest issue is that if we're rebuilding, sorry! If we are "bottoming out" to get Chan's type of players in here and we fail than we could be in serious trouble. Few offenses are at all similar to Chan's pop gun offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Maybe if Ralph & his stooges were out of the picture... no way Tuna would possibly want any part of this mess until then. Nah, I don't think Tuna would even take their phone call. Thing is, I believe RW feels he made the necessary changes last off-season when they hired Nix and Gailey. Even if those guys are home runs (doubtful) we'll never know because they can be undermined by Littman and Overdorf. I think they've finally reached a breaking point where they can't continue like they have since TD was axed. Either they change the organizational structure and have a strong and qualified leader of football ops or they continue along as a bad to mediocre club with people behind the scenes wielding power. They've run out of quick fixes and cosmetic changes because the fans just won't buy it. That said, I still don't see them changing the structure of the franchise given the owner's age. Everyone knows the team is being set up for sale, not to compete with RW owning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 We don't know what kind of deal Cameron had with the Dolphins. I doubt Ralph told Nix and Gailey they had to improve this team in one offseason, He seems like the kind of guy who doesn't react too quickly and tries to let guys work things out for themselves. I believe he hired Nix and gailey looking towards the future. Nix starts the rebuild and hands the reigns over to Whaley in a couple years while they rebuild cheaply through the draft and low level FA's Cameron's deal changed drastically the day Bill Parcells was hired by Wayne Huizenga. BP took one look around, did his evaluation in 2 weeks and then fired the whole coaching staff (minus a few) and the front office. He knew that group of coaches and executives weren't going anywhere and jettisoned the entire lot. Not many in Miami probably were begging that Cameron get more than one season. BP just knew what he had. Nix is a long time scout who is not experienced as the #1 guy in an organization. He's never worked out of the front office but did his work from Tennessee as Pro Personnel Director for SD. The plan may well be to hand over control to Whaley, but there are no assurances they'll have a team by the time Nix steps aside after 2011 or 2012. RW has no long term plans, either for front office executives or his team. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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