Koufax Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I think you Overestimate it. 30 is 30 the body wears no matter what, whether you are playing football or not. Plus Jackson is a small back at small backs dont last that long in this league anymore. FYI we turned a number 1 into a 4th rounder. . . No. RB miles are measured in downs and hits. Freddie is low mileage and that will mater as he ages. I don't think he will be good for five years, but we certainly can sit with Freddie/Spiller for now and fill in with UDFA and late picks. And FYI we turned a #1 into three years of high mileage from a position that averages about five good years, plus two picks. Not my ideal fantasy trade, but I think a good move in the Bills' long term interest.
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 The sixth year of the contract is a void year, they have him under contract for the remainder of this season and next season.
Roc Bronson Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 This is one !@#$ed up team! This trade is garbage, what will we get in return from a 4th round pick. All the reason this bottom feeder ass team is headin for 0-16. Call it whatever or however you want but the Jason Peters situation was bull **** Eric Woods is startin to look bad in the trenches, and not saying Peters look any better but I would take him over what we have now.. They cut Meredith and brought in another afterthought player in his place this franchise is pathetic.. And so was this trade, to another 10years of misery and pure pain.!
CodeMonkey Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Do you buy a car and sell it a few years later for the same as you paid for despite the higher mileage and assorted other issues? Than why is a football player any different? Hahahahahahahahahahaha Thanks for perhaps the most ridiculous analogy ever
Got_Wood Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 With running backs, it isn't about how many hits they take, it's about the body's natural degeneration in terms of explosiveness and elusiveness. The reason why young running backs come in and make big splashes (Johnson, AP, etc.) is because their bodies are primed for the quick-twitch style movements that make them successful. Jackson is great and all, but there is a reason why 30 is a death knell for NFL running backs. And it isn't because of mileage. It's because they stop being able to elude tacklers. Lynch was just whatever, but I think we'd have been situated better with a rookie and 24-year old running back, rather than a 30-year old back in the twilight of his career alongside a situational-type 10 carry back in Spiller. Fred Taylor is almost 35 Ricky Williams is 33 Sammy Morris is 33 Thomas Jones is 32 LT is 31 Chester Taylor is 31 Ronnie Brown is 29 Clinton Portis is 29 Willis McGahee is 29 There are plenty of older guys still playing out there. Freddy will help this team out for 4-5 more years. Even if he helped us for 2-3, that is a LONG time in the NFL. Remember, Freddy was an undrafted guy. We can find more RB's when the time comes. But we're good for a long time.
Heitz Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 With running backs, it isn't about how many hits they take, it's about the body's natural degeneration in terms of explosiveness and elusiveness. The reason why young running backs come in and make big splashes (Johnson, AP, etc.) is because their bodies are primed for the quick-twitch style movements that make them successful. Jackson is great and all, but there is a reason why 30 is a death knell for NFL running backs. And it isn't because of mileage. It's because they stop being able to elude tacklers. Lynch was just whatever, but I think we'd have been situated better with a rookie and 24-year old running back, rather than a 30-year old back in the twilight of his career alongside a situational-type 10 carry back in Spiller. Yet Marshawn is averaging less yards per carry (4.4 per carry / 37 carries) than Freddy (5.0 / 20 carries)... Of course, Fitz's average of almost 10 yards per carry blows them both away!
BuffaloWings Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I think everyone's forgetting that Jackson is generally a better RB than Lynch. I've said this a million times - Jackson runs downhill, hits the holes hard, and focuses on forward movement (i.e., gaining yards). He'll fall forward and pick up an extra yard instead of dancing, juking, and wasting time by running sideways to TRY and pick up and extra 5. He can also catch the ball just as well as Lynch does. They've lined him up in the slot (and even wide sometimes) and acts as a 4th WR. They don't need 3 RBs. It was the luxury they had once Spiller was drafted.
akm0404 Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Fred Taylor is almost 35 Ricky Williams is 33 Sammy Morris is 33 Thomas Jones is 32 LT is 31 Chester Taylor is 31 Ronnie Brown is 29 Clinton Portis is 29 Willis McGahee is 29 There are plenty of older guys still playing out there. Freddy will help this team out for 4-5 more years. Even if he helped us for 2-3, that is a LONG time in the NFL. Remember, Freddy was an undrafted guy. We can find more RB's when the time comes. But we're good for a long time. Wait, are you agreeing with me or arguing against me? Providing a laundry list of washed up running backs sort of confirms the whole 30=gack situation that people in the NFL recognize.
Green Lightning Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I think you Overestimate it. 30 is 30 the body wears no matter what, whether you are playing football or not. Plus Jackson is a small back at small backs dont last that long in this league anymore. FYI we turned a number 1 into a 4th rounder. . . Yeah, well a 30 plus back just ate our lunch for 130 yards. Jackson hasn't had much milage. He'll be fine for a few years. Marshawn was a timebomb. We turned a walking suspension-in-waiting into a few picks. Time to move on.
BuffaloATL Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I dunno about that. Even when Fred wasn't in the NFL, he was still playing professional tackle football. I agree that mileage is what counts, but saying Freddie has low mileage is like not counting miles driven on dirt roads. +1. Just checked wiki. He ran for almost 1,800 yards in 2005 in another league. Miles are miles no matter where they happen.
CodeMonkey Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Marshawn was a timebomb. We turned a walking suspension-in-waiting into a few picks. Nice rationalization for the trade. Time to move on. Yup, no point crying about it.
MDH Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I think everyone's forgetting that Jackson is generally a better RB than Lynch. I've said this a million times - Jackson runs downhill, hits the holes hard, and focuses on forward movement (i.e., gaining yards). He'll fall forward and pick up an extra yard instead of dancing, juking, and wasting time by running sideways to TRY and pick up and extra 5. He can also catch the ball just as well as Lynch does. They've lined him up in the slot (and even wide sometimes) and acts as a 4th WR. They don't need 3 RBs. It was the luxury they had once Spiller was drafted. People don't care about that though. They just want to say, "we got a 4th round pick for a 1st rounder" as if trading the more productive player because he was a undrafted would have been better. I guess they could spin that as, "hey, what a shrewd move by the front office, we parlayed an undrafted player into a 5th round pick!" Production be damned. Jackson is hands down the better RB, if one of the backs had to go (and they did) I'm glad it's Lynch, I don't care when he was drafted. People are overlooking the obvious here, the mistake was drafting Spiller with the #9 pick last year. This move just helps alleviate that mistake a little bit. It doesn't erase it but it makes it a bit better, there is absolutely no need to keep 3 solid running backs on the roster.
Zulu Cthulhu Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Wait, are you agreeing with me or arguing against me? Providing a laundry list of washed up running backs sort of confirms the whole 30=gack situation that people in the NFL recognize. Most of those on that list are still pretty productive so i would guess he's arguing against you
tonyd19 Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Do you buy a car and sell it a few years later for the same as you paid for despite the higher mileage and assorted other issues? Than why is a football player any different? That's true, but you also don't sell a 100K 2007 Ferrari with low miles for 5K and the chance to pick up a 2011 Hyundai either.
I hate the Bills ! Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Would have been better if we still had Joique Bell !
MDH Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 That's true, but you also don't sell a 100K 2007 Ferrari with low miles for 5K and the chance to pick up a 2011 Hyundai either. True - unfortunately for your analogy though Lynch isn't a 2007 Ferrari. More like a 2007 Ford Taurus. Dependable and does the job but doesn't get anybody excited or win any races. So we traded a 2007 Taurus for the ability to pick up another, newer model, Taurus next year.
Got_Wood Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Wait, are you agreeing with me or arguing against me? Providing a laundry list of washed up running backs sort of confirms the whole 30=gack situation that people in the NFL recognize. All of those guys are still providing complementary roles on their team, and that is all Freddy needs to do. We've committed big money to Spiller, and he's the go to guy.
Billsguy Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 I think you underestimate the time Freddy has left in the tank. I say that Freddy will be good until he's 35. That's FIVE years left playing at a high level. Do you have any clue how long that is??? That means we don't have to draft another running back until 2014. Think hard about that. We have a great duo now between Jackson and Spiller! I'll miss Lynch, but this move had to be made. Here's the headline everybody seems to be missing, " Bills waste another 1st round pick!" This is an admission that the Bills have no idea what they are doing. Anyone who thinks this deal represents progress is sadly mistaken. This is an admission of total organizational failure and that is nothing to be proud about. The Bills are indeed a national joke and they earned the reputation through horrible ownership and management!
MDH Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 Here's the headline everybody seems to be missing, " Bills waste another 1st round pick!" Exactly. The problem people are having is misplaced. They keep saying, "we only got a 4th for a former 1st round pick." They should be pissed off that the Bills organization keeps wasting 1st round picks on RBs. They should have never taken McGahee, never taken Lynch and never taken Spiller. What would the Bills backfield look like next week if they hadn't made these picks? Fred Jackson would be the starter - just like he's going to be anyway. In addition the Bills would have 3 other players they took in the 1st round (granted, they likely would have blown those picks in other ways had they not drafted RBs, but nonetheless...)
Rayzer32 Posted October 5, 2010 Posted October 5, 2010 This is just another straw in the hat of mental retardation of this franchise. Marshawn runs harder than anyone has on this team in a long time. If he only gained 2 yds it still took half the defense to bring him down. Typical move by this sorry excuse of an NFL franchise, giving up on players way too soon without giving them enough a fair shot. Jackson got dinged in the pre-season so it probably won't be long before he is useless. Great move guys. I hope Marshawn tears it up in Seattle and shows how much talent was going to waste here in Buffalo. And we get a future 4th rounder? What an absolute joke!
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