Thurman#1 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 How about we let the kids finish their season before making a final decision? This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The OP "hates to ruin my draft plans" by giving his opinion. Yeah, cause his opinion is going to ruin my plans, particularly when it's way too early to evaluate these QBs.
The Senator Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Ryan Mallett, like it or not, is going to get serious consideration for the #1 overall Pick...He is almost assured to go in the Top 5...Keep in mind he's only a Jr. and he has definitely gotten better every year...Granted Brian Brohm was once considered a potential high 1st Round Pick...But he ended up being a 2nd Round Draft Pick that could not beat out a 7th Round Pick to be the back-up in GB...Now...Maybe Brohm will turn out to be a good NFL QB...It's still possible...But at this point, when you're talking about purely potential, there is no comparison between Mallett and Brohm...And until Mallett comes into the NFL and underachieves the way Brohm has (up to this point) that's going to stay the same... Mallett clearly has the stronger arm and is a bigger dude...Both are being Coached in the same College system, the difference is Mallett is going up against superior competition...I don't think either one is a great scrambler, but I guess Brohm would get the edge there...It's still early, but Mallett is projected to throw 30 TD's and complete almost 69% of his passes...If that happens he ends up with a slightly better Season than Brohms Sr Year...But only slightly... So I guess the answer to your question is that at this point there is really no telling if Mallett is better than Brohm or not...But if The Bills have a chance to draft Mallett they better be 150% sure Brohm is better should they decide to pass...Cause they simply can't afford to be wrong on this one... Even if Brohm is great, it's a tough call to pass on a 6'6" 240 lb. '...gigantic, outsized savant-Sasquatch of a quarterback with an arm capable of passing exceeding the word passing. Ballistics might be a better term, particularly when he begins lobbing balls down the test range a piece.' (link - THE PUNISHER STANDS ALONE) And if the size of Mallett's contract gives Ralph angina, trading Mallett would probably get the Bills about a half-dozen future draft picks. (But if Buddy Nix says Mallett's the guy - the legitimate QB of the future, the 'Second Coming' of Jim Kelly - Ralph will open his checkbook.)
Thurman#1 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 This years crop of QB's does not rank a low #1-#3 selection in the draft. There is no Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, John Elway. I hate to ruin your plans but the Bills don't need to lose to move up in the draft. Truth is I would take Fitzpatrick or Brohm over any of these guys. Before the season, the consensus on here was that there were five franchise guys this year. Myself (and several others) pointed out that it looks that way every year, and that you have to wait till the end of the year before you even try to evaluate these guys. Now the consensus is closer to what you're saying here. But guess what. It's still too early to decide, and three or four weeks from now, you'll likely be looking as wrong as the guys who guessed too early did three weeks ago. We'll at least have an idea about their body of work after the season. Till then, what you have there is called a guess.
The Senator Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) Before the season, the consensus on here was that there were five franchise guys this year. Myself (and several others) pointed out that it looks that way every year, and that you have to wait till the end of the year before you even try to evaluate these guys. Now the consensus is closer to what you're saying here. But guess what. It's still too early to decide, and three or four weeks from now, you'll likely be looking as wrong as the guys who guessed too early did three weeks ago. We'll at least have an idea about their body of work after the season. Till then, what you have there is called a guess. Myself thinks yourself is probably right. But myself is also curious whether yourself has any preference or inclination about this year's 'top dogs' thus far? Edited October 2, 2010 by The Senator
KOKBILLS Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Even if Brohm is great, it's a tough call to pass on a 6'6" 240 lb. '...gigantic, outsized savant-Sasquatch of a quarterback with an arm capable of passing exceeding the word passing. Ballistics might be a better term, particularly when he begins lobbing balls down the test range a piece.' (link - THE PUNISHER STANDS ALONE) And if the size of Mallett's contract gives Ralph angina, trading Mallett would probably get the Bills about a half-dozen future draft picks. (But if Buddy Nix says Mallett's the guy - the legitimate QB of the future, the 'Second Coming' of Jim Kelly - Ralph will open his checkbook.) I think the possibility of a Trade is interesting already and we have no clue who is going to be there and where the Bills will Pick...And who knows? Maybe Mallett (or if it's Luck) decides he wants nothing to do with Buffalo (see Eli Manning and John Elway...This stuff does happen). Maybe a Trade is forced...No question a Franchise QB Prospect can bring a bounty in return...And the Bills need as many Picks as they can get...It's an intriguing thought already... Still...Passing on a guy with an arm like Mallett has when you play in WNY is going to be awfully hard...And God forbid you pass on him and he becomes the next big thing while the Bills continue to Draft the way they have over the past few years...That's a recipe for another 10 years of losing Football right there...
The Chief Corky Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 With a eason ending record of 1-15 (the bills will win against the jags) and an equal record with the jags (1-15), the bills will draft 2nd behind the jags. You heard it here first sports fans!!!
The Senator Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 With a eason ending record of 1-15 (the bills will win against the jags) and an equal record with the jags (1-15), the bills will draft 2nd behind the jags. You heard it here first sports fans!!! I love your passion for this team. Really adds a lot to TSW.
Another Point of View Posted October 2, 2010 Author Posted October 2, 2010 All I am saying here is you don't reach for a QB just because it is a need position, If a QB is the best player available then go draft him, if not take a DE,LB or what ever will help the team. Please, please don't REACH
tennesseeboy Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Actually with the crop of qb's we're looking at in the draft I suspect there will be 4 or 5 good quality qb candidates in the mix. I say wherever we end up let's go with the best one available unless a stud OT or linebacker is sitting there. I'm not a "best player available" guy but we have a number of critical positions of need. I'm still thinking qb as the most important right now, with OT and LB behind, but not too far behind. We'll certainly be in a position to really help ourselves.
Bill from NYC Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) Even if Brohm is great, it's a tough call to pass on a 6'6" 240 lb. '...gigantic, outsized savant-Sasquatch of a quarterback with an arm capable of passing exceeding the word passing. Ballistics might be a better term, particularly when he begins lobbing balls down the test range a piece.' (link - THE PUNISHER STANDS ALONE) And if the size of Mallett's contract gives Ralph angina, trading Mallett would probably get the Bills about a half-dozen future draft picks. (But if Buddy Nix says Mallett's the guy - the legitimate QB of the future, the 'Second Coming' of Jim Kelly - Ralph will open his checkbook.) You see, I should know better, but I am seduced by Mallett's arm. He could take a one trick pony like Evans and throw him 70 yard bombs at will. He could throw 25 yard checkdowns to Spiller, and fire fastballs to a tight end over the middle. He throws 50 yard post patterns flat footed with little air under them. This is all but impossible I remind you. Your point about a trade down is well taken, but I just can't imagine not selecting this kid at this point. Maybe if there was another Orlando Pace out there, but there doesn't seem to be, ya know? I dare say that nobody in the history of this board has advocated blocking more than I have, but I haven't seen college talent like this in decades. * Note: My record is less than stellar wrt QBs. Edited October 2, 2010 by Bill from NYC
bowery4 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Wow Bill not advocating line first?? When the hell did hell freeze over?
The Senator Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) You see, I should know better, but I am seduced by Mallett's arm. He could take a one trick pony like Evans and throw him 70 yard bombs at will. He could throw 25 yard checkdowns to Spiller, and fire fastballs to a tight end over the middle. He throws 50 yard post patterns flat footed with little air under them. This is all but impossible I remind you. Your point about a trade down is well taken, but I just can't imagine not selecting this kid at this point. Maybe if there was another Orlando Pace out there, but there doesn't seem to be, ya know? I dare say that nobody in the history of this board has advocated blocking more than I have, but I haven't seen college talent like this in decades. * Note: My record is less than stellar wrt QBs. Bill, I think Mallett could throw Evans 70 yards! Edited October 2, 2010 by The Senator
gfalk87 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Peyton manning is possibly the best qb ever. Ur example is not even close to reasonable. Is this you russ brandon? I think you're a bit confused on what point I was trying to make. I didn't say Manning wasn't an elite qb, I was arguing that he is elite and that in the NFL you can win with a great qb and a average o-line. With an average o-line the Colts continue to win 10+ games each year and it's because of Manning. Like I already said there are some intriguing qb prospects, so lets see how the year finishes out and go from there. If the Bills have a top pick and one of the top qb's is there they can't possibly pass on one. If not then they should take the best player at one of their many positions of need. I still don't understand why everyone thinks Locker wouldn't have been a top ten pick last year? I followed the draft more closely last year than any year in the past and there were several of the "so called experts" predicting that Locker would go high. If he continues the way he's playing this year he could suffer a major slide in the draft. And for those that argue you shouldn't take a young qb and throw him to the wolves, look at how Matt Ryan played in his first year. The Falcons had a similar offense to us and they were able to significantly improve with him at qb (From 4-12 to 11-5 in his first year). And they got they got their future left tackle later in the first round (Sam Baker).
Bruuuuce Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Any reason why you made this statement? Stats to compare, gut feeling? What is it?
oak tree 12 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 This years crop of QB's does not rank a low #1-#3 selection in the draft. There is no Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, John Elway. I hate to ruin your plans but the Bills don't need to lose to move up in the draft. Truth is I would take Fitzpatrick or Brohm over any of these guys. you are truly a lost id-ot and dont watch much collage football either. most NFL GM's have been waiting for this draft to get their QB. if you dont think Luck or Mallett is a great future QB you clueless and thats not to mention Lockler who everyone in the world has going #1 but i personally like Luck and Mallet better,and dont think i dont know luck is a junior,but he will come out because he knows if he doesn't and with a rookie wage scale coming in the next CBA if he does not come out there goes his pay day. mallet reminds me so much of kelly its not even funny,he already has over 41 passes of 40 yard or more in his career the kid is an absolute stud as is luck. you truly have no idea what you are talking about,absolutly brain dead post.
DrFishfinder Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) This years crop of QB's does not rank a low #1-#3 selection in the draft. There is no Peyton Manning, Sam Bradford, John Elway. I hate to ruin your plans but the Bills don't need to lose to move up in the draft. Truth is I would take Fitzpatrick or Brohm over any of these guys. Fitz, who we've seen, or Brohm, who we haven't, over Mallett, Luck or Locker? Based on what, exactly? Edited October 2, 2010 by DrFishfinder
oak tree 12 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 (edited) I get the distinct impression you haven't watched Mallet play too often. he has not only not seen mallet but i guarantee he has not seen Luck either the guy is totally lost. fitz or brohm are you freaking kidding me. 3 other teams cut fitz and wanted no part of him but they are all wrong and your right. go hit the crack pipe again and fry some more brain cells so you can make more asinine comments like these. Edited October 2, 2010 by oak tree 12
Bill from NYC Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Wow Bill not advocating line first?? When the hell did hell freeze over? LOL it's true! You seem to know that I am about blockers, and truthfully, if we took a future Orlando Pace I would not be unhappy. Having said that, Mallett just has SO much talent, it is hard for me to imagine passing on him even if we pick first. Bill, I think Mallett could throw Evans 70 yards!
gfalk87 Posted October 2, 2010 Posted October 2, 2010 Here is an interesting interview that relates to this conversation done by Brian Galliford and Mocking the Draft's Dan Kadar: http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/10/2/1724169/rumblings-draft-scouting-kadar-interview-week-5-preview#storyjump He talks about how Luck is the only blue-chip qb and there aren't any elite offensive tackles this year. He said there probably wont be an offensive tackle taken in the first 15 picks for the first time since 1982 (Unless someone emerges throughout the rest of the year).
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