Gailey In Full Panic Mode?

[sabres...yawn]

Panic?

You're damn right.

 

Evidently, you missed the first two games.

[Heitz]

You picked a "Lame Duck Colts" game to inspire us with confidence in Fitz?!

 

Fitz will probably move the chains a bit more, but make other mistakes that will keep these Bills out of the endzone. He might get the Bills a field goal more, every other game (1.5 points per game), than Edwards, but throw an extra interception that leads to a touchdown or something like that. He blows.

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Same end results really. A low-scoring offense, and losses.

Not really, I just picked the footage that was out there on a YouTube search. You're right that it wasn't full strength Colts team (and it was also, you know, last year), but it does show that with some time Fitz can hit some throws. He'll at least take the shot.

 

Again, I don't know what will happen but (IMO) if we can hit just a *few* passes (or at least throw the ball down field) we should be able to open up our run game a bit. I'm hoping that Fitz can do that - seriously, it has to be hard for us to get worse on O!

[Guest dog14787]

You'd need a good QB which Trent is not. Give it up Dog, all is forgiven.

 

 

 

Still better than Trent.

 

 

The same argument goes for Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm.

 

Just because a QB because of his scrambling abilities can make more plays behind a bad O-line it doesn't give the bad O-line a free pass or management for allowing it to happen.

 

At least not in my opinion anyway.

 

Now that Fitz is starting and in knowing he has great wheels, I'll expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to make more plays. On the same token If we blocked better and Fitz wasn't running for his life and able to stand in the pocket, make his reads and deliver the ball, the Bills would have double the capabilities/options. Ryan Fitzpatrick's accuracy would also improve.

 

Brian Brohm is a talented QB with a lot of potential in my opinion, but to tell you the truth, I'm not sure I would even want him out there right now.

Edited September 22, 2010 by dog14787

[RuntheDamnBall]

Oh I dunno... perhaps it was that last drive with 8 min left in the Miami game and Gailey calls for a 5 WR spread offense, the Dolphin defenders stop blitzing and drop into coverage. Trent takes the team 80 yards down field with a TD to Parish.

 

The fact that all preseason the Chicago Bears offensive line looked horrid allowing so many sacks every game, many were saying Cutler is gonna get killed this year. The Cowboys blitzed him constantly the first few series in the last game, the Bear O line couldn't block Ware and Spencer whatsoever, they were forced to hold them because they simply COULDN'T BLOCK THEM. Cutler looked exactly like Trent Edwards running for his life and getting hit after every pass play!

Cherrypicking to locate his one good drive during the game, when he finally saw a man wide open in mid-deep range due to blown coverage, doesn't help your case. Not to mention that the Dolphins were playing soft just to consume clock time. Trent couldn't manage another one of those drives once pressure and coverage tightened, and he wasn't exploiting the lack of blitz and finding his receivers over the shoulder in the final series either. He was looking for short garbage. I'd rather have a Kelly who throws an INT forcing the D to respect the deep ball, than an Edwards who makes few mistakes but makes little progress save for one magical prevent defense-inspired drive per game.

The Mike Martz made adjustments- shorten the drops, get him under center, get rid of the football quickly and have him step up in the pocket, then he ran a spread offense and the Cowboys dropped into coverage BOOM TD to the TE with a quick slant pass ...the result was the Cowboys DE's were no longer getting to Cutler and he started to carve that defense up.

 

To me Gailey is biting off more then he can chew in trying to run the entire offense,watch protections-call plays- make adjustments

 

Also, if you don't think Gailey has watched film of Edwards and already made these suggestions, we're probably more effed than we think we are. My guess is that these suggestions were being made all offseason and "Gameday Trent" can't put them into practice, hence the benching.

[yungmack]

Apparently the panic continues. It's been reported on another thread that Steve Johnson is out and Roscoe is now the #2 receiver. Here's what I find odd about it. If Johnson was a problem screwing up the offense, why would you bench Edwards? And if Edwards was the problem, why would you bench Johnson? And if both were problems, then you wasted your off-season. In any case, it looks panicky to me.

[2003Contenders]

Gailey's main strength as a coach in the past was that he was innovative in being able to create tailor-made systems to best fit the personnel on hand. Professional coaches like Gailey are a special breed. They are confident in their abilities to a fault. I suspect that Gailey saw the game film on Edwards -- but rather than viewing him as a hopeless cause, thought to himself, "I am the guy smart enough to devise a scheme that suits Trent's unique skill set." He also saw a guy who, by the end of last year had no confidence left.

 

Trent is a bright guy, capable of talking the talk. Under Gailey's off-season tutelage he said all the right things and appeared to regain his confidence after the first preseason game (against Washington) disaster. From a talent perspective, he also has all the goods. Despite a faction of "fans" on this board who would say otherwise, Trent does not have a noodle for an arm. It is likely that Trent DID perform the best of the 3 QBs in training camp and displayed the greatest skillset, when live bullets were not flying.

 

After two weeks of live action, Gailey came to the astute conclusion that Edwards just doesn't have "it". Regardless of whatever scheme he could cook up -- and given the current impossibility of improving the supporting cast, including the OL -- Gailey came to realize that there was likely nothing he could do to hide the fact that Trent Edwards simply lacks the natural instincts and intangible qualities to play QB in the NFL. Fitzpatrick DOES have these traits -- and Gailey believes that he can better compensate for Fitzpatrick's lack of talent than he can for Trent's lack of instincts and mental toughness.

[mpl6876]

Gailey's main strength as a coach in the past was that he was innovative in being able to create tailor-made systems to best fit the personnel on hand. Professional coaches like Gailey are a special breed. They are confident in their abilities to a fault. I suspect that Gailey saw the game film on Edwards -- but rather than viewing him as a hopeless cause, thought to himself, "I am the guy smart enough to devise a scheme that suits Trent's unique skill set." He also saw a guy who, by the end of last year had no confidence left.

 

Trent is a bright guy, capable of talking the talk. Under Gailey's off-season tutelage he said all the right things and appeared to regain his confidence after the first preseason game (against Washington) disaster. From a talent perspective, he also has all the goods. Despite a faction of "fans" on this board who would say otherwise, Trent does not have a noodle for an arm. It is likely that Trent DID perform the best of the 3 QBs in training camp and displayed the greatest skillset, when live bullets were not flying.

 

After two weeks of live action, Gailey came to the astute conclusion that Edwards just doesn't have "it". Regardless of whatever scheme he could cook up -- and given the current impossibility of improving the supporting cast, including the OL -- Gailey came to realize that there was likely nothing he could do to hide the fact that Trent Edwards simply lacks the natural instincts and intangible qualities to play QB in the NFL. Fitzpatrick DOES have these traits -- and Gailey believes that he can better compensate for Fitzpatrick's lack of talent than he can for Trent's lack of instincts and mental toughness.

 

So in a nutshell, you are saying Gailey was fooled by TE. That Gailey was smart enough to see TE couldn't fool him after two games? Way to go coach! Fitz has the "traits" and Gailey doesn't make him the starter? Now, Gailey believes he can coach up Fitz? Sounds a little confusing and floundering to me? So much for a vote of confidence?

[SkunkChet]

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[marsadale]

Same thoughts here...

+1

[Malazan]

What is so hard to understand that they didn't like any of the three QBs, but that hamstringing yourself for a 'different' option that you don't like is a stupid move?

[thewildrabbit]

Cherrypicking to locate his one good drive during the game, when he finally saw a man wide open in mid-deep range due to blown coverage, doesn't help your case. Not to mention that the Dolphins were playing soft just to consume clock time. Trent couldn't manage another one of those drives once pressure and coverage tightened, and he wasn't exploiting the lack of blitz and finding his receivers over the shoulder in the final series either. He was looking for short garbage. I'd rather have a Kelly who throws an INT forcing the D to respect the deep ball, than an Edwards who makes few mistakes but makes little progress save for one magical prevent defense-inspired drive per game.

 

 

Also, if you don't think Gailey has watched film of Edwards and already made these suggestions, we're probably more effed than we think we are. My guess is that these suggestions were being made all offseason and "Gameday Trent" can't put them into practice, hence the benching.

Not for nothing but that so called "cherry-picking" drive showed me that given decent protection and an open receiver Trent can get the job done. Go back and watch that drive, there was a big sack and a false start by Green on the O line that Edwards overcame and still got the ball down field. That last pass was a 31 yard TD strike to Parish on 4th and 11 after moving the team from the Bills 20 yard line. Yea the Dolphins could have gone into a prevent defense at first, but I think it was more of the aggressive nature of the formations and play calls that opened up the offense. They went to a 5 WR set, something they hadn't done previously all game. The Dolphins still rushed 4, the Bills kept 5 back and blocked well enough to let Edwards find the open receiver, the ball was out and gone in two seconds.

 

Think about it a min, with a 5 WR set the opposing defense must make player substitutions and go to a nickle or dime package, they can still blitz but if they fail to cover they can easily get burned for a big play. Something that has been lacking in Gaileys offense.

 

I think Gailey screwed himself and the team by being overly conservative these first two game, especially in that Packer game by trying to run the ball in 2 RB 2 WR sets that created long yardage situations for the QB to try and throw out of while under heavy blitz pressure.

 

I think the Bills should have beaten the Dolphins and might have even kept up with the Packers,who knows.

Edited September 23, 2010 by Harvey lives

[Geno Smith's Arm]

What is so hard to understand that they didn't like any of the three QBs, but that hamstringing yourself for a 'different' option that you don't like is a stupid move?

 

Well said. It's been boggling my mind as well, but you have put it succinctly.

[8-8 Forever?]

Amen .... a voice of reason.

 

Look if the Bills had signed Edwards to a new multi-year deal or something then I would say this is a panic move. Right now I see this as nothing more than Nix and Gailey still trying to figure out who and what they have on the roster. Personally, I wish that Brohm would get a shot as he is the only one amongst the three that has upside but probably hard to say to the rest of the team that we are going to "throw the season away" while we figure out if Brohm has a future in this league.

Um, I think its fair to say the team by and large gets it that they pretty much suck and will lose just about if not all of their games this year. You don't have to stretch very far to come to that realization as a player. They are getting absolutely killed in all aspects of the game. You watch, every player will bolt town for the bye week, just to get away from the 0-fer stench that will certainly be permeating OBD by then.

[bigc14120]

I've been a strong supporter of Chan Gailey since he was hired. He had a history of identifying the range and limits of his QBs abilities and working with him. So I was more than willing to believe that he saw something in Trent Edwards that I surely never did, and that he'd build an offense around him that would minimize his weaknesses while playing to his strengths. Hope springs eternal.

 

Yet two weeks into the season he benches his personally chosen starter. He did this on the heels of, for example, Brett Favre throwing three picks and the "great" Eli Manning and his "powerhouse" Giants getting beaten as badly as the Bills did on Sunday (worse, without that garbage TD at the end), with the team the Bills had a solid chance of beating last week (the Dolphins) besting media darling Minnesota.

 

I'm surely not saying benching Edwards is the wrong move only that it smells of panic. And then replacing Edwards with Fitzie? If, in Gailey's assessment, he wasn't good enough to dislodge Edwards (!!!) prior to yesterday, why in god's name does he think he's suddenly become the answer? And it comes on the heels of benching Spiller after ONE game.

 

I don't know about you guys, but this change causes me to question everything I thought about Gailey. And by extension, Buddy Nix's thinking.

Yep, he got it wrong on the starting QB thing, but now he realizes it. So, he made the change...we won't see Trent again a a starter......he has head problems....just like JP did. Not NFL QB material, very obvious after last year, but I forgive GAiley for trying again. (under strong suggestion from the owner, I believe)

[Mango]

I've been a strong supporter of Chan Gailey since he was hired. He had a history of identifying the range and limits of his QBs abilities and working with him. So I was more than willing to believe that he saw something in Trent Edwards that I surely never did, and that he'd build an offense around him that would minimize his weaknesses while playing to his strengths. Hope springs eternal.

 

Yet two weeks into the season he benches his personally chosen starter. He did this on the heels of, for example, Brett Favre throwing three picks and the "great" Eli Manning and his "powerhouse" Giants getting beaten as badly as the Bills did on Sunday (worse, without that garbage TD at the end), with the team the Bills had a solid chance of beating last week (the Dolphins) besting media darling Minnesota.

 

I'm surely not saying benching Edwards is the wrong move only that it smells of panic. And then replacing Edwards with Fitzie? If, in Gailey's assessment, he wasn't good enough to dislodge Edwards (!!!) prior to yesterday, why in god's name does he think he's suddenly become the answer? And it comes on the heels of benching Spiller after ONE game.

 

I don't know about you guys, but this change causes me to question everything I thought about Gailey. And by extension, Buddy Nix's thinking.

 

I wonder what your post would be like if we had to watch Edwards untill the bye. I would imagine it would look something like this

 

Christ, is Chan even watching Edwards on the field. He clearly has no idea what he is doing, he is driving this team into the ground, status quo for one bills drive. Edwards should have been benched after the Miami game, hell atleast after GB, any idiot could see that he is awful.

 

While I am not predicitng the current regime to be the saviors of Bills football, let them atleast make a valid attempt at righting the ship. If we want to make judgment calls after they have a chance to make good on their word to build through the draft lets atleast give them another off season.

 

PS This is a GOOD DECISION

[tennesseeboy]

not so much panic mode as it is a clear case of stupid mode. What did he see in the first two weeks that he shouldn't have seen on film the week after he was hired? He set his universe on a quarterback set of three "never was" quartebacks-Edwards, Fitz and Brohm. He should have seen that this was not a quarterback pool to win with.

 

More important he should have seen that he had even bigger problems on the offensive line and addressed those.

 

Panic? Nope...Just reality setting in.

[akm0404]

To call this "panic mode" implies that Buddy and Chan actually thought they could win football games this year.

 

In reality, the only people that thought the Bills would win games and be competitive this year are the Kool-Aid drinkers on these boards.

 

Being 2-12 in December won't be "panic mode" either - it'll just be the realization of what literally everyone on Earth that watches football outside of Buffalo expected all along.

 

But, if we leave the 2011 NFL Draft without a new quarterback and a new left tackle, THEN it'll be time to panic.

[thewildrabbit]

not so much panic mode as it is a clear case of stupid mode. What did he see in the first two weeks that he shouldn't have seen on film the week after he was hired? He set his universe on a quarterback set of three "never was" quartebacks-Edwards, Fitz and Brohm. He should have seen that this was not a quarterback pool to win with.

 

More important he should have seen that he had even bigger problems on the offensive line and addressed those.

Panic? Nope...Just reality setting in.

I agree, this guy is not the Messiah

 

Finally, someone else who thinks this head coach is a dud.

 

Why does this guy get a free pass... how could he watch film of last season and determine he could get Edwards to play better and then give up after two weeks, especially when he didn't upgrade the O line, cuts TO and doesn't have a viable NFL tight end!

 

He cut 70 catches off the team and a viable option opposite Lee Evans when he cut TO!

 

The entire world was telling him he needed to rebuild the O line and he drafts a RB and boldly states...""a great RB will make the line block better"" that clearly hasn't happened!

 

The entire world was telling him he needed to upgrade the QB position and he passed on Jimmy Clausen 2x... can we officially crucify Gailey and Nix if Clausen turns out to be a great QB?

[The Dean]

 

He cut 70 catches off the team and a viable option opposite Lee Evans when he cut TO!

 

 

:wallbash: :wallbash:

 

The Bills did not cut TO.

[tennesseeboy]

:wallbash: :wallbash:

 

The Bills did not cut TO.

I think it is pretty well accepted that if we had wanted to keep TO or Incardona we almost certainly could have worked out a deal. I for one believe that going to 3-4 was what pushed Schobel into retirement. While not a Josh Reed fan, I find it hard to believe we got rid of him without a viable replacement or at least didn't deal with it in the draft.

 

Just a mess, and it IS definitely a mess grossly exacerbated by Nix and Gailey