PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 call me a TE apologist if you want, but did you see the time Brees had to deliver the ball last nite. He had an eternity to deliver the ball. If he DID feel compelled to dump the ball off it was after hed scanned the field for 4-5 secs. We all know how this will play out. We scrape out 3 wins with Fitzpatrick as starter, despite the innumerable times hes gonna throw the ball into the dirt. He closes his eyes and chucks the ball down the field....Lee or Roscoe will catch a few of them. meh. The defense will get a little better as the season goes. We'll play hard in spurts. For all you d-bags talking about the first overall pick next year, congratulations. You got your wish. Maybe in time Trent would find his groove but he's damaged right now. Even when he had time he couldn't find a receiver. Heck on 4th down at the end of the game down 4 TDs he still ran the ball out of bounds rather than make a desperation heave. I mean really!?!?! What was he worried about at that point?? He's totally screwed up upstairs. He needs to take a seat. PTR
BuffaloBill Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Gailey and Nix made this team...let them live or die with it. Nine wins or out. After one draft and one season? Come on, Nix has said time and again that they are going to build through the draft - it will take at least two years. It could be even longer if they can't land a QB in the next draft (unlikely but possibly).
LABills08 Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 What in Sullivan's article is off target I ask all of the Bills fan in denial? Factually, where is he wrong? Note: I was on the "Sully is a negative SOB" bandwagon all preseason. Up until everything he claimed came true and I looked like a horses ass for defending the franchise.
tennesseeboy Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 After one draft and one season? Come on, Nix has said time and again that they are going to build through the draft - it will take at least two years. It could be even longer if they can't land a QB in the next draft (unlikely but possibly). What exactly have they done in one draft and one season? Get rid of some of the best players on the team (Schobel, Incognito, Owens) fail to recognize a poor quarterback who hasn't produced in all the time he has been here and fail to get a quality qb from a number of available options?(Vick, McNabb) Fail to draft (Bulaga)sign (F. Adams) or trade (Gaither) for a quality tackle? Go to a 3-4 defense when they didn't have the personnel to make it work? How does this project into a quality team this year or even next year? Their tenure has been nothing short of incompetent. I'll admit I might be wrong. Win some games Chan and Buddy and I'll be the first to recognize some competence. Until you do...you're well on your way out the door in my book.
mowisc Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Anyone else on this site think that Sully is mpl6876? I do. Pretty f'ing obvious IMO
K Gun Special Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 What in Sullivan's article is off target I ask all of the Bills fan in denial? Factually, where is he wrong? Note: I was on the "Sully is a negative SOB" bandwagon all preseason. Up until everything he claimed came true and I looked like a horses ass for defending the franchise. Well its an opinion piece commenting on a change in quarterback. He uses almost no facts to support his position. In reality there arent many facts in his articles anyway, since he's just offering an opinion. Isnt he one of the cheerleaders saying no one in the Bills' organization is accountable? well isnt losing your job being held accountable. The great thing about Sullivan is he never aims for consistency. He wouldve criticized the Bills' for keeping Edwards in and no one being accountable, but taking him out isnt a smart move its desperation. He is the biggest MMQB writer around, when you listen to him talk its clear the guy has never played the sport nor has he an understading of its intricacies. He writes simple whiny articles for like minded readers.
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 What in Sullivan's article is off target I ask all of the Bills fan in denial? Factually, where is he wrong? Note: I was on the "Sully is a negative SOB" bandwagon all preseason. Up until everything he claimed came true and I looked like a horses ass for defending the franchise. One thing that Sully is clearly factually wrong about is the open QB competition. Gailey said all along that the competition would continue until one of the QBs distinguished himself above the others. He also said that by the start of preseason he expected to have the decision made so that the starting QB could start to have most of the reps with the starters, etc. to prepare for the season. HE NEVER SAID THE QB COMPETITION WOULD CONTINUE DURING THE PRESEASON. Had he continued the QB competition during the preseason Gailey would have been crucified by the media for not deciding in time this important position to prepare for the season. But Gailey also said all along that every position would be subject to constant reevaluation and possible changes. So Gailey, with the QB position, did exactly what he promised to do and Sully is totally wrong that Gailey did not follow his announced plan on how he would decide on a QB.
Kevin Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 I hope this guy finds a job writing somewhere else. I'm sick of him. It is an "opinion" article right? So what is wrong with what he said? It is his opinion, that he happens to get paid to print. I agree with some of the stuff he said. I think Edwards should be put in there, and left in there to either figure it out or fail miserably. So what if we go 0-16, take the lumps this year and get a good draft next year. We know what we get with Fitz, and that will be another 7-9 season with the 11th to the 15th pick in the draft that will all but assure us of a franchise QB or LT that we so desperately need.
Delete This Account Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 How does a reporter cover a dysfunctional organization for a decade and more and maintain one's enthusiasm for the game? I enjoy reading Allen Wilson's coverage of the Bills and other teams. There is an understatement yet clarity to his reporting. I may be over-interpreting some of his comments and video reporting but there seems to be a body language crying out in exasperation. In his last video analysis of the game with Gaughn and Sullivan he subduely stated that it doesn't matter what scintillating backs you draft. Until you have a legitimate franchise qb and credible OL the franchise will continue to be stuck. It is apparent that he is tired of repeating the same obvious point. As a Buffalo Bills fan I have the feeling that I have been cheated out of real entertaining NFL football. Must it not be the same for a lot of reporters covering the team? fortunately, i get paid whether a team loses or not. but sure, it's somewhat disappointing to be covering well-trodden ground here on a team that seems to be stuck in some Groundhog Day endless loop. that said, you still have to do your job, and that means covering with professional enthusiasm what's going on, whether it's new faces, familiar quarterback changes, lowlights and highlights or even tailgating developments. the key is not losing an eye on what's news and the challenge is digging for the reasons as to why what's going on or not going is happening, and explaining it to people. the story, in some ways, might not change ... but it actually does given the new personalities that enter to change the mix. jw
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 (edited) What exactly have they done in one draft and one season? Get rid of some of the best players on the team (Schobel, Incognito, Owens) Wow...they were our 3 best players? How sad is that? Incognito? Seriously? Was Schobel cut and I didn't hear about it? I thought he retired? PTR Edited September 21, 2010 by PromoTheRobot
bbb Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Sully has always been negative even when times were good. BS - read his articles from the first half of the '08 season. He was high not just on the team, but on the players themselves as men.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 fortunately, i get paid whether a team loses or not. but sure, it's somewhat disappointing to be covering well-trodden ground here on a team that seems to be stuck in some Groundhog Day endless loop. that said, you still have to do your job, and that means covering with professional enthusiasm what's going on, whether it's new faces, familiar quarterback changes, lowlights and highlights or even tailgating developments. the key is not losing an eye on what's news and the challenge is digging for the reasons as to why what's going on or not going is happening, and explaining it to people. the story, in some ways, might not change ... but it actually does given the new personalities that enter to change the mix. jw But Jerry rarely gets into any useful information or facts, just his dreary negative opinions. He plays the lose/lose game; he'll bash you no matter what you do. There is no right answer with Sully. PTR
Kevin Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Wow...they were our 3 best players? How sad is that? Incognito? Seriously? Was Schobel cut and I didn't hear about it? I thought he retired? PTR Schobel was released. Then he retired after talking to the Texans.
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 (edited) What exactly have they done in one draft and one season? Get rid of some of the best players on the team (Schobel, Incognito, Owens) fail to recognize a poor quarterback who hasn't produced in all the time he has been here and fail to get a quality qb from a number of available options?(Vick, McNabb) Fail to draft (Bulaga)sign (F. Adams) or trade (Gaither) for a quality tackle? Go to a 3-4 defense when they didn't have the personnel to make it work? How does this project into a quality team this year or even next year? Their tenure has been nothing short of incompetent. I'll admit I might be wrong. Win some games Chan and Buddy and I'll be the first to recognize some competence. Until you do...you're well on your way out the door in my book. The only thing you might be correct about in my opinion is Ingcognito. He wanted a long term deal and would have had to play guard, moving Wood to center. They wanted to keep Schobel. If you keep Owens you are not progressing your many young WR's. Philly wasn't going to trade Vick. Mcnab didn't want to play here. F. Adams doesn't help you in the development of our young lineman. I think Spiller will end up being the better pro between him and Bulaga when it's all said and done. We don't know for sure if Gaither was available or if they were asking to much. Why not change to the 3-4 when you are in re-build mold. Do it now and go through the growing pains and by the way the defense although not great, is not playing awful. Green Bay will scortch any team in the NFL if they are on the field as much as they were against us. So, your argument to say Buddy and Chan are doing an incompetent job is nothing but wrong IMO. Give them time before we make that assessment. I always laugh at people who wonder why we don't go after FA's. How do you know what our front office is doing? I bet were on the phone all the time but the bottom line is players will not come to Buffalo until we turn this thing around through ther draft. That's just common sense... Edited September 21, 2010 by offsides#76FredSmerlas
Green Lightning Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 But Jerry rarely gets into any useful information or facts, just his dreary negative opinions. He plays the lose/lose game; he'll bash you no matter what you do. There is no right answer with Sully. PTR Yup. Jerry was once a pretty good reporter and is now just a media buffoon. It's his job to create controversy so his paper gets read and can sell ads to make a profit. His radio gig is the same...create controversy to get people to listen to either hate him or love him. So he's really no longer about sports, he's a entertainer who uses naysaying as his vehicle to get read and heard. If Chan made no move on the QB situation, Sullivan would have B'slapped him for being stubborn and married to a loser QB. Chan benches TE and now he's indecisive and "desperate." Sully could care less about real reporting and really about sports anymore. He's a media hound who is making some good bucks p*ssing peopole off. It's his schtick. If he bothers you, do what I do. I don't read or listen to him for the most part and when I do it's with the knowledge that he is no longer a sports reporter who cares about analysis or really about the game itself.
BillsVet Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 10+ seasons of playoff less football and negative is bad? Man, which planet are some fans living on? We all want to see a winning team on the field, but it's just too much to see people saying Sullivan is negative. I guess that means most the homer fans aren't aware that losing for a decade plus is not normal. Apparently it's required to be happy even if things aren't good. It makes the homer fan feel good to hope, even though for 10 years that hope instilled by the marketeers has never been fulfilled. Sullivan's right again, and if that makes people feel bad, so be it. Life's tough.
Cynical Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 I thought it was a very well written. (1) He states "makes me to wonder if he's even remotely as sharp an offensive mind as we've been led to believe." Not sure how anyone can disagree with that statement since the Bills offense is dead last in NFL. I ask what has coach Gailey done after two games? (2) "They watched the game films. What compelled them to hand Edwards the job after he had failed miserably twice in the last two seasons? Edwards looked the part in practice and preseason, but jobs are won and lost in real games." How can one debate this statement. Then he goes on to talk about how the players rallied around Fitz last year. I can only assume Gailey's ego led him to believe he could make TE a solid NFL QB. His ego blinded him from looking at the facts. The fact is most of us knew TE didn't have it despite his preseason successs. Now, he yanks him after two games and some fans here are praising him for that. Amazing... (3) He asks "What did the Offensive Genius figure out in two weeks that wasn't plainly evident in those old game films?" Great question and I would like to hear Gailey's response. (4) He says "but after two games, Nix's guy is performing down to the role of befuddled fumbler, over his head in the dual roles of head coach and offensive coordinator." Very true statement. True statement. Gailey has done little to nothing in two games. One can only counter with it's two games. (5) Sully writes "Gailey anointed C.J. Spiller as his featured back." Then he benches him for ML. Also. he hardly uses him in the Miami game. IMHO, it appears that Gailey doesn't know how to utilize three backs effectively or better yet maybe having 3 staring RB is problematic. Either way or disagree with me, it is hard to understand what the hell Gailey is doing with CJ after two games. (6) Lastly, he says "the guy had six months to coach 'em up and get the offense fixed. Sure did. I remember reading how this was going to happen. I remember all those delusional posts. In fact, I was even starting to believe them. It only took me two games to what up back to reality. Sully goes on to say "instead, it seems like he's making things up as he goes along." Sure does and nothing is more evident by the starting and benching of TE after two games. So much for the confidence factor... I have to commend Sully on writing such a descriptive and accurate piece. Thanks for trying to hold this organization accountable and thanks for being blunt and honest even it is negative. Thanks for not blindly jumping on the Gailey/Nix bandwagon. I don't want to read some half truths, sugar coated articles, and fact less optimistic proproganda. Kudos to Sully. 1.) So, the coaching staff should do nothing to change that? 2.) How about the fact the Bills wanted Bradford and would have taken him if he somehow dropped to 9th? How about the fact the Bills tried to acquire McNabb? But your right. It's all about Gailey's ego and wanting to fix Edwards. 3.)Seriously, you and Sully need this one answered for you? How about Edwards whining under Jauron he felt he had to answer to 2-3 different people at the same time. How about Edwards was running a Fairchild offense for 3 years, and not a Gailey offense. Under Gailey, he is the lone man in charge. He knows exactly what the play was, the targets, the reads, etc... Gailey can look at all the game film he wants, but he will never be 100% certain who, what, where, why, etc... My guess, Edwards told Gailey he was constantly confused under Jauron because he had to answer to some many people, and Gailey took him at his word. With Gailey, there is only one person to answer, and I think it became real obvious really fast that all of Edwards problems were not the result of the previous coaching staff. 4.) You and Sully are completely correct [/sarcasm]. It's obvious, there is a major problem, and something needs to be done. Pick a solution: a) Make a change. Media blasts you as being "befuddled" and "over your head". b) Do nothing. Media blasts you for doing nothing. 5.) Jesus H.. Gailey has already said how he planned on using Spiller right after he drafted him. SPILLER WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE THE FEATURE BACK. What is it with people who fail to understand this? So why is it "shocking" or "confusing" to see Spiller used the way he has been? 6) Yep. It took years to instill "It's hard to win in the NFL" mentality, and all that can be washed away in 6 months. Except Nix/Gailey have said, and continue to say "This will NOT be fixed in one year." And people like you are bitching because the Bills did NOT fix it all in one year. And now the funny part: It only took me two games to what(wake?) up back to reality. And it only took 2 games for the coaching staff to realize a change was needed. The bastards! I guess you would have been happier if the staff did nothing? Like Jauron used to do? 10+ seasons of playoff less football and negative is bad? Man, which planet are some fans living on? We all want to see a winning team on the field, but it's just too much to see people saying Sullivan is negative. I guess that means most the homer fans aren't aware that losing for a decade plus is not normal. Apparently it's required to be happy even if things aren't good. It makes the homer fan feel good to hope, even though for 10 years that hope instilled by the marketeers has never been fulfilled. Sullivan's right again, and if that makes people feel bad, so be it. Life's tough. No, the problem is both Nix and Gailey have said from the beginning and continue to say this will not be fixed in one year. So why are people like Sully suddenly surprised to find out that it wasn't fixed in one off season?
BillsVet Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 No, the problem is both Nix and Gailey have said from the beginning and continue to say this will not be fixed in one year. So why are people like Sully suddenly surprised to find out that it wasn't fixed in one off season? I didn't expect it to be fixed in one year. But changing the starting RB from Week 1 to Week 2 and benching the appointed QB 2 weeks in speaks of indecisiveness. And that is is exactly what people harped on DJ for. Now, in no way am I comparing the two, but the similarity is striking. No NFL HC is going to mail games in given the paucity of jobs available. Having said that, would it be impossible to pick the best guy at the outset? They should have known Trent was a tease, and that Fitzpatrick gave the team a better chance to win as evidenced by the final games if 2009. No one is saying they were going to fix it in one season. I just wish they'd chart the best course and stick to it. It's getting to be chaotic.
todd Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Factually? He doesn't deal in facts. He deals in opinion. What in Sullivan's article is off target I ask all of the Bills fan in denial? Factually, where is he wrong? Note: I was on the "Sully is a negative SOB" bandwagon all preseason. Up until everything he claimed came true and I looked like a horses ass for defending the franchise.
Billsguy Posted September 21, 2010 Posted September 21, 2010 Sullivan is a whiny little B word. He desperately seeks the negative side of every situation and tries to compose an article about it. The only "Journalist" I know who might be worse than Sullivan is Matthews in Rochester. And it is close. This latest article is one of the worst he's ever written. Sullivan is just reporting as he sees it. Get over it. What is he supposed to say, "The Bills are great!" Don't kill the messenger who is entitled to his opinion. His opinions are more on the mark than the drones who think the Bills deserve more respect with positive upbeat stories. They haven't earned one ounce of respect. What the hell is there to be upbeat about? The worst team in the league gets no respect. Period. The Bills stink to the high heavens and a lot of "head in the sand" fans are blaming the reporters! Get a clue!
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