sullivan's new article

[whodat]

Sullivan is basically a weathervane, only he points in the opposite direction, telling the wind its wrong.

 

PTR

 

 

 

You really would have made your point much better if you would have quoted the guy in full that you plagiarized from the readers comment section below the article. How flagrant. Here's the full quote and it could not have been stated better. Well done Harry.

 

Sully always writes two columns just to be prepared. His other one wonders how much more Trent does Chan have to see before he does the obvious thing and benches him? That's our Sully. he's like a weathervane, only he points in the opposite direction and tells the wind its wrong.

POSTED BY: HARRY KOZLOWSKI, HOOKSETT, NH on Tue Sep 21,2010 at 9:31 am

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Desperate move? Check.

Necesary move? Check.

 

Must have been very sour cornflakes for Sully this morning.

 

I don't see any inconsistency or vacilation on Gailey's part. It was an open competition in the spring. Edwards came out ahead based on practice & camp. Even Sully admitted that he looked good in August. When the real pads came, though Trent reverted to his old self, and Gailey made the logical move. There was absolutely nothing wrong in giving the starting job to a guy who looked the best up through September. The whole roster is wide open for competition. It's also obvious that Trent lost the offensive locker room yet again, and the move had to be made.

 

There will be other opportunities to bash Gailey & Co. This isn't one of them.

good post!

[todd]

no no...that is not how it works. You determine where the weaknesses are, get rid of the players who can't cut it, and bring in players who can improve your team. As a result you get better, and do not get worse. Can you understand that?

 

Vince Lombardi in 1958 took a team that had lost all but two of twelve games. That's one win and one tie had lost all but two of its 12 games (a win & a tie), worst in Packers history. The 1959 Packers were an immediate improvement, finishing at 7–5. Rookie head coach Lombardi was named Coach of the Year.

 

Seems reasonable to expect some significant improvement. We have gone from middle of the pack with a lot of injuries and coaching issues at the end of last season to the worst team in football today. That doesn't speak well for rebuilding.

 

Well, you can freak out after two games thinking that this is the end product. That is your prerogative. I'll reserve judgment until the sample size is larger. And if you are expecting to somehow reincarnate the greatest coach of all time to fix the multitude of woes the Bills have, you go ahead.

 

Have fun freaking out.

 

Yes, much like finding a negative crack in 1990's 51-3 demolition of the Raiders, one really has to dig deep to find the negative "side" of the 2010 Bills.

 

 

Let's get back to the topic. We're talking about Sullivan bitching about Edwards being benched after two horrible games. He's whining that Edwards was benched and that he all of the sudden morph into a pro-Bowl QB inspired by Gailey. We're not talking about how much the Bills suck, which they do. I think benching an ineffective QB is a good idea. Other irrational riders of the rollercoaster think that it somehow means we should fire the staff, and that Gailey sucks. And that is dumb.

[tennesseeboy]

Well, you can freak out after two games thinking that this is the end product. That is your prerogative. I'll reserve judgment until the sample size is larger. And if you are expecting to somehow reincarnate the greatest coach of all time to fix the multitude of woes the Bills have, you go ahead.

 

Have fun freaking out.

Actually Todd, I'm not freaking out, just being realistic and looking at how you improve a team. I would think one might consider emulating good coaches (Lombardi) as opposed to bad coaches (Jauron), but maybe you and Gailey are right and emulating Jauron is the way to go.

 

I'm just pointing out the objective fact that the existing duo of Nix and Gailey have done nothing to improve the team.

[BillsVet]

Here's a bulletin: Jackson and Lynch were injured. Maybe that's why Spiller started at RB and isn't now that Lynch and Jackson came back?

 

PTR

 

Yet both Jackson and Lynch received carries in Week 1. Not sure that your point carries water.

 

And I am going to have to respectfully disagree here.

On the day Spiller was drafted, Gailey stated how he wanted to use Spiller.

 

Spiller was NEVER intended to be the feature back.

 

Indecisiveness is watching your QB getting CB blitzed 29+ consecutive times and doing NOTHING to combat it.

(reference: Jauron, Jets, Revis, Edwards 2007)

Indecisiveness is watching the QB make the same obvious mistakes repeatedly and doing nothing about it.

I said it during the off season. Even the best offensive minds cannot scheme or game plan to minimize kitty.

Gailey had to learn the hard way, and it only took 2 games for him to figure it out.

 

So we need to blast the guy because he didn't do it sooner or should have waited until later?

 

So, scold the guy for not doing it in the off season, but at least acknowledge he reacted quickly when it became obvious to him (Gailey), and not waiting some arbitrary time frame because that's what Sully would have done.

Or worse, doing nothing at all, because that way he can be considered "decisive".

 

Rarely in the NFL of 2010 are 200# RB's handling 20+ carries a week. You and I know that and I didn't expect him to be the #1 back, hence my criticism of the pick (not to be confused with the player). I would categorize the changing of Spiller in favor of Lynch and Fitz in favor of Edwards as just poor decision making on a team bereft of talent.

 

Sure, DJ was terribly indecisive and agonized over decisions in-game. I don't think it's a good comparison to compare DJ's in-game decisions to Gailey's post-game changes at QB and RB. I just see the quick hook as being a sign that Gailey may not be all he's been hyped up to be.

But yeah, it's going to be a long season and Edwards needed to go. I'm just questioning the handing of the job to Trent and subsequently benching him 2 games in.

[ricojes]

Sully always writes two columns just to be prepared. His other one wonders how much more Trent does Chan have to see before he does the obvious thing and benches him? That's our Sully. he's like a weathervane, only he points in the opposite direction and tells the wind its wrong.

POSTED BY: HARRY KOZLOWSKI, HOOKSETT, NH on Tue Sep 21,2010 at 9:31 am

I was just going to post that quote, I thought it was excellent...

Edited September 21, 2010 by ricojes

[VA Bills Fan]

What in Sullivan's article is off target I ask all of the Bills fan in denial?

 

Factually, where is he wrong?

 

Note: I was on the "Sully is a negative SOB" bandwagon all preseason. Up until everything he claimed came true and I looked like a horses ass for defending the franchise.

 

He was wrong about there not being a true open competition in training camp and pre-season.

[Lori]

You really would have made your point much better if you would have quoted the guy in full that you plagiarized from the readers comment section below the article. How flagrant. Here's the full quote and it could not have been stated better. Well done Harry.

 

Sully always writes two columns just to be prepared. His other one wonders how much more Trent does Chan have to see before he does the obvious thing and benches him? That's our Sully. he's like a weathervane, only he points in the opposite direction and tells the wind its wrong.

POSTED BY: HARRY KOZLOWSKI, HOOKSETT, NH on Tue Sep 21,2010 at 9:31 am

Just a note ... when the same person writes the same thing in two different places, it's not normally considered plagiarism.

[GG]

Just a note ... when the same person writes the same thing in two different places, it's not normally considered plagiarism.

 

Wait a minute.

 

One is Harry, the other one is a Robot.

 

Surely, they're not the same.

[todd]

Actually Todd, I'm not freaking out, just being realistic and looking at how you improve a team. I would think one might consider emulating good coaches (Lombardi) as opposed to bad coaches (Jauron), but maybe you and Gailey are right and emulating Jauron is the way to go.

 

I'm just pointing out the objective fact that the existing duo of Nix and Gailey have done nothing to improve the team.

 

I would call making a judgment after two games freaking out. Looking for marked improvement for a rebuilding team after two games and one draft is freaking out. Trying to compare any coach in the NFL over the past 50 years to Lombardi is delusional. So have fun freaking out. You are freaking out.

[PromoTheRobot]

You really would have made your point much better if you would have quoted the guy in full that you plagiarized from the readers comment section below the article. How flagrant. Here's the full quote and it could not have been stated better. Well done Harry.

 

Sully always writes two columns just to be prepared. His other one wonders how much more Trent does Chan have to see before he does the obvious thing and benches him? That's our Sully. he's like a weathervane, only he points in the opposite direction and tells the wind its wrong.

POSTED BY: HARRY KOZLOWSKI, HOOKSETT, NH on Tue Sep 21,2010 at 9:31 am

You ever see a comedian live? Did you know that if you saw that person the next night he/she does mostly the same act? Why limit your best work to one venue?

 

PTR

[mpl6876]

I would call making a judgment after two games freaking out. Looking for marked improvement for a rebuilding team after two games and one draft is freaking out. Trying to compare any coach in the NFL over the past 50 years to Lombardi is delusional. So have fun freaking out. You are freaking out.

 

What are you going to say when were 0-5 or 1-4 before our bye week? Oh never mind, I already know. You are so predictable in your little delusional bubble. Wake up pal, this team stinks and Gailey has "stunk up the place after two games." Can't you just admit he has completely sucked in almost every way. In case, you don't know the Bills are dead last in offense, averaging a mere 187 yard per game. I know I know its not Chan's fault. I hear you loud and clear. Wondering if you were one of the same guys who told me how Chan was going to beat opposing defenses with short slants, quick three step drop backs, spiller needed an inch of a hole to break it for a td, spiller catches the ball out of the backfield, keeping the defense on it's toes because of the great Chan Gailey play calling, etc....GET THE POINT! Gailey has looked lost and anything but creative and innovative. Out coached and outclassed. Wondering if you would have fired Cam Cameron after his 1-15 start with the Fins? I suppose not because following your logic you would have said it's not his fault and he needs time. BS all the way to OBD.

 

The best you can come up with is its not Chan's fault and it's only week 2. Well, as a fan who has endured 10 years of shitt, I don't give anyone on OBD the benefit of the doubt. After two games of seeing what Gaily and Nix have to offer, it baffles me that you and so many others are still in their corner.

Edited September 21, 2010 by mpl6876

[todd]

What are you going to say when were 0-5 or 1-4 before our bye week? Oh never mind, I already know. You are so predictable in your little delusional bubble. Wake up pal, this team stinks and Gailey has "stunk up the place after two games." Can't you just admit he has completely sucked in almost every way. In case, you don't know the Bills are dead last in offense, averaging a mere 187 yard per game. I know I know its not Chan's fault. I hear you loud and clear. Wondering if you were one of the same guys who told me how Chan was going to beat opposing defenses with short slants, quick three step drop backs, spiller needed an inch of a hole to break it for a td, spiller catches the ball out of the backfield, keeping the defense on it's toes because of the great Chan Gailey play calling, etc....GET THE POINT! Gailey has looked lost and anything but creative and innovative. Out coached and outclassed. Wondering if you would have fired Cam Cameron after his 1-15 start with the Fins? I suppose not because following your logic you would have said it's not his fault and he needs time. BS all the way to OBD.

 

The best you can come up with is its not Chan's fault and it's only week 2. Well, as a fan who has endured 10 years of shitt, I don't give anyone on OBD the benefit of the doubt. After two games of seeing what Gaily and Nix have to offer, it baffles me that you and so many others are still in their corner.

 

 

Nice freakout.

[8-8 Forever?]

The only thing Sully didn't say is that the Bills are an 0-16 team.

 

Ok, I'll say it. They're an 0 - 16 team. Someone explain to me who exactly they will beat this year, based on what you've seen so far. Any remember, injuries will happen, so the "continuity" of the team is as good as it will ever be this season right now.

[thewildrabbit]

What are you going to say when were 0-5 or 1-4 before our bye week? Oh never mind, I already know. You are so predictable in your little delusional bubble. Wake up pal, this team stinks and Gailey has "stunk up the place after two games." Can't you just admit he has completely sucked in almost every way. In case, you don't know the Bills are dead last in offense, averaging a mere 187 yard per game. I know I know its not Chan's fault. I hear you loud and clear. Wondering if you were one of the same guys who told me how Chan was going to beat opposing defenses with short slants, quick three step drop backs, spiller needed an inch of a hole to break it for a td, spiller catches the ball out of the backfield, keeping the defense on it's toes because of the great Chan Gailey play calling, etc....GET THE POINT! Gailey has looked lost and anything but creative and innovative. Out coached and outclassed. Wondering if you would have fired Cam Cameron after his 1-15 start with the Fins? I suppose not because following your logic you would have said it's not his fault and he needs time. BS all the way to OBD.

 

The best you can come up with is its not Chan's fault and it's only week 2. Well, as a fan who has endured 10 years of shitt, I don't give anyone on OBD the benefit of the doubt. After two games of seeing what Gaily and Nix have to offer, it baffles me that you and so many others are still in their corner.

The homers are forced to hold out on the thought "it can't be the coaches fault", it has to be the QB!!!

 

No worries, after enough losses they will come around and see what you and I see...a guy that was fired as OC because his offense went 2-14. Although nobody here wants to hold him accountable for that ....

A guy that was supposed to be an offensive guru and correct all the mistakes with Trent Edwards that Jauron and his staff of morons made. A guy who drafted a RB instead of a tackle because he stated that a great RB will make the line block better!!

 

 

Down 13-3 with 8 min to go in that Miami game the Bills get the ball on their own 20 yard line...the Bills go to a FIVE WR spread formation set and that causes the Dolphins to suddenly drop into coverage instead of the constant blitzing. Edwards then takes the team 80 yards for a TD drive.

 

That drive showed me that Edwards can get the job done if he has time to throw and his receivers are open.

 

 

So what do the Bills do next game, start the game with a 5 WR set and open up the offense? NO! they go conservative and try and run the ball against last seasons #1 defense against the run...Yea blame the QB when he has trouble making constant 3rd and longs, better bench him!

 

 

 

This guy is starting to make Jauron look good .....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mpl6876]

The homers are forced to hold out on the thought "it can't be the coaches fault", it has to be the QB!!!

 

No worries, after enough losses they will come around and see what you and I see...a guy that was fired as OC because his offense went 2-14. Although nobody here wants to hold him accountable for that ....

A guy that was supposed to be an offensive guru and correct all the mistakes with Trent Edwards that Jauron and his staff of morons made. A guy who drafted a RB instead of a tackle because he stated that a great RB will make the line block better!!

 

 

Down 13-3 with 8 min to go in that Miami game the Bills get the ball on their own 20 yard line...the Bills go to a FIVE WR spread formation set and that causes the Dolphins to suddenly drop into coverage instead of the constant blitzing. Edwards then takes the team 80 yards for a TD drive.

 

That drive showed me that Edwards can get the job done if he has time to throw and his receivers are open.

 

 

So what do the Bills do next game, start the game with a 5 WR set and open up the offense? NO! they go conservative and try and run the ball against last seasons #1 defense against the run...Yea blame the QB when he has trouble making constant 3rd and longs, better bench him!

 

 

 

This guy is starting to make Jauron look good .....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for responding. It is good to know that others here share a similar point of view.

 

Nice freakout.

 

That is the best you can do?

[SuperKillerRobots]

gailey is wishy-washy? sullivan wants to see edwards against new england again? or he doesn't? what?

 

the guy is like the soviet news service. same line, over and over. often right about racism in watts and not much else. i get the line that the bills are a dysfunctional franchise. the proof is unfortunately in the pudding. however this article is pure nonsense.

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/columns/jerry-sullivan/article196311.ece

 

I thought Sully has been calling fr Trent's head for the past two years. Now he gets benched, at a reasonably early time in the season, and Sully is going to have a problem with it? I wonder if the editors just force him to write these crazy anti-Bills articles to sell papers; he hates it, but loves the job too much to leave. It could make for some good HBO hour long drama.

[FightinIrishBills]

no no...that is not how it works. You determine where the weaknesses are, get rid of the players who can't cut it, and bring in players who can improve your team. As a result you get better, and do not get worse. Can you understand that?

 

Vince Lombardi in 1958 took a team that had lost all but two of twelve games. That's one win and one tie had lost all but two of its 12 games (a win & a tie), worst in Packers history. The 1959 Packers were an immediate improvement, finishing at 7–5. Rookie head coach Lombardi was named Coach of the Year.

 

Seems reasonable to expect some significant improvement. We have gone from middle of the pack with a lot of injuries and coaching issues at the end of last season to the worst team in football today. That doesn't speak well for rebuilding.

 

Are you kidding me? You're really going to compare the game of football of today to how it was in 1958? And you're going to compare Chan Gailey to one of the greatest football coaches of all time? And THEN you're going to say it's reasonable to expect that level of improvement based off of your comparisons?

 

You've lost your marbles.

[mpl6876]

Are you kidding me? You're really going to compare the game of football of today to how it was in 1958? And you're going to compare Chan Gailey to one of the greatest football coaches of all time? And THEN you're going to say it's reasonable to expect that level of improvement based off of your comparisons?

 

You've lost your marbles.

 

Say what you want but you forgot to address the theme/premise of his point which was "no no...that is not how it works. You determine where the weaknesses are, get rid of the players who can't cut it, and bring in players who can improve your team. As a result you get better, and do not get worse. Frankly, IMHO, he is 100% correct.

 

Way to "cherry pick" what he had to say and take things totally out of context.

 

You've lost your marbles.

Edited September 21, 2010 by mpl6876

[Orton's Arm]

I hope this guy finds a job writing somewhere else. I'm sick of him.

Based on the comments, I was expecting a much worse article than the one I found. One of Sullivan's points is well-taken. If you're going to appoint a guy a starter, you should be willing to stick with him a while. Edwards was benched after two games, and Spiller was benched after one. At the same time, I'm reminded of a line by Jane Austen,

 

"Would Mr. Darcy then consider the rashness of your original intention as atoned for by your obstinacy in adhering to it?"

 

But pithy quotes from Austen aside, changing horses this early in the season--at two very important positions--does not reflect well on the early days of Gailey's coaching tenure. My own assessment of Gailey's coaching tenure is a lot more favorable than Sullivan's is, at least thus far. But at the same time, I don't believe my opinion is the only valid one. I realize Sully rubs a lot of people the wrong way, and that there's a concern that he goes through mental contortions to see things in a more negative light than he should. I tend to read Sully's articles as lists of potential criticisms that could conceivably be leveled against the current regime (whatever that regime may be). Some of the criticisms will make sense, others less so.