BuffaloWings Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 It's not the game plan. What a joke! It's the players my friend, specifically the offensive line and the quarterback. I have no loyalty or "passion" for Chan Gailey. In fact, here we go "IT WASN"T DICK JUARON'S FAULT THE BILLS SUCKED LAST YEAR!" They sucked before DJ and CG. They have sucked mainly because they can't find a high quality quarterback and some average offensive lineman. If DJ was the coach of the Colts they would still win 10 games every year. Jauron wouldn't be coach of the Colts because Polian knows what kind of coach he is. My point is that the winning attitude starts with the front office. They sell the winning formula to the players and it's the players' job to execute it. Part of that sale is to get the right coach to translate that attitude to the field. I admit I was hoping to see this team surprise some people. They very well may do that by the end of the year. However, right now, it's still a work in progress.
Gabe Northern Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 None of this mess is Chan Gailey's fault. he has inherited a team low on talent, and suffering from a personality disorder. People an complain, but what would YOU do? The best anyone can come up with is "Put in Brian Brohm, that's what I would do!". There's nothing that can be done right now. No. I was told this team wasn't that bad and the problem was Dick Jauron.
KD in CA Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 None of this mess is Chan Gailey's fault. he has inherited a team low on talent, and suffering from a personality disorder. Exactly. Vince Lombardi couldn't win with this collection of talent. And for the "same team as last year" crowd, don't forget that two of the five best guys on offense from 2009 (TO and Butler) are gone.
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Not too long ago, there were all kind of fans here telling us how this team was going to surprise everyone, Gailey would be so innovative and creative on offense, our young guys would perform well, Gailey would have success with TE, Troup would be a monster in the middle, our three headed monster RB crew and the electricfying CJ Spiller, our solid secondary would create many ints, etc... Now, fans here are singing another tune. It's not Gailey's fault as you put it. A few weeks ago he was supposed to be the savior? True he has crap to work with and when realistic fans like myself stated this we received a ration of shite. I recall saying on several occassions we needed a QB, OL, WR, LB, run stopper, and a pass rusher. It was cystal clear and many of us were able to objectively look at the facts. Any media member who stated the obvious were bashed by the posters here. Now, all thos posters are in hiding. This board has never been so quiet. I give credit to those who have admitted their irrational point of view was incorrect. I get no enjoyment out of being correct in my assessment of the Bills. I am so upset that I allowed myself to believe some of your delusional points of view. It has only made my pain worse. That is my fault. Gailey has looked anything but impressive and I refuse to give him a free pass. You can if you like. Thus far Gailey receives a big fat "f" grade. This organization is pathetic! Forming a conclusion on anything related to the Bills after two games is at best premature, at worst ignorant. The two teams they Bills have played so far have been solid, playoff caliber teams. Could the Bills have looked better, sure. They're learning an entirely new system and it's clear that they're struggling. Heaping all the blame on Edwards or Gailey s is the easy thing to do if you want to be a lemming. The reality is Edwards hasn't performed well but the OL has performed even WORSE. Even the guys that were solid last year seem to be struggling a bit. When you're in a max protect scheme and the defense rushes three and still gets to the QB then your problems are much greater than just the QB. At this point, it won't matter what players or plays Gailey uses if they won't execute. Clearly you do enjoy being "right". Congratulations! The Bills suck and you win NOTHING.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Forming a conclusion on anything related to the Bills after two games is at best premature, at worst ignorant. The two teams they Bills have played so far have been solid, playoff caliber teams. Could the Bills have looked better, sure. They're learning an entirely new system and it's clear that they're struggling. Heaping all the blame on Edwards or Gailey s is the easy thing to do if you want to be a lemming. The reality is Edwards hasn't performed well but the OL has performed even WORSE. Even the guys that were solid last year seem to be struggling a bit. When you're in a max protect scheme and the defense rushes three and still gets to the QB then your problems are much greater than just the QB. At this point, it won't matter what players or plays Gailey uses if they won't execute. Clearly you do enjoy being "right". Congratulations! The Bills suck and you win NOTHING. Bitter.
mpl6876 Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 (edited) Forming a conclusion on anything related to the Bills after two games is at best premature, at worst ignorant. The two teams they Bills have played so far have been solid, playoff caliber teams. Could the Bills have looked better, sure. They're learning an entirely new system and it's clear that they're struggling. Heaping all the blame on Edwards or Gailey s is the easy thing to do if you want to be a lemming. The reality is Edwards hasn't performed well but the OL has performed even WORSE. Even the guys that were solid last year seem to be struggling a bit. When you're in a max protect scheme and the defense rushes three and still gets to the QB then your problems are much greater than just the QB. At this point, it won't matter what players or plays Gailey uses if they won't execute. Clearly you do enjoy being "right". Congratulations! The Bills suck and you win NOTHING. I have been reading your post for quite a long time here. All you post have been way off and you have been flat out wrong. Your obviosuly living in a bubble when it comes to this team. Maybe you should listen to what I have to say. Wake the F up and smell the coffee. Your right about one thing the Bills do suck and I do win nothing. So what's your point. My point is everything you have posted has been flat out wrong. Sit back and listen to some more educated fans before you try to sling mud my way. I get no enjoyment out of watching my team lose. I could careless about being right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suppose you will make excuses after we lose to the Pats and Jets too. Edited September 20, 2010 by mpl6876
Bob in STL Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 After watching Gailey's presser I think it's pretty evident he now fully understands how bad Trent Edwards is. He mentions several times that they are still assessing "who they are" and that they will make the necessary changes to improve. How could you not pull the chord on Edwards? Yes, he is not surrounded with a lot of talent, but he is so bad, that it is embarrassing. I'm still willing to give Gailey and Nix a chance. I think they have a chance to right the ship with a full 3 year commitment, but they need to find a QB with some confidence and stones. Gailey's biggest mistake to this point was underestimating how pitiful of a QB Edwards is. He's the type of guy who looks serviceable May-August, but come September he turns into a highschool QB out there. If Edwards stinks the joint up @ New England look for Gailey and Nix to pull the plug on him and go with Brohm/Fitzpatrick. One other concern I have with the Gailey/Nix combo is their sudden change of opinion regarding CJ Spiller. Guy looked lights out all preseason, and then he has a poor game in the home opener. Now all of the sudden he's not the starter? It seems like a knee jerk reaction and indicates a team that is already in full panic mode. It doesn't make sense to take a guy so high, annoint him starter and then put him on the pine after one poor showing. It's only going to hurt Spiller's confidence in the long run. Gailey was referring to Trent on the "who we are" and on the "excepting to lose" comments. Trent will get one more chance against NE. Spiller will play when he learns how to use his blocks. I am sticking with Gailey and Nix. They need some time to gut this beast.
qwksilver Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Exactly. Vince Lombardi couldn't win with this collection of talent. And for the "same team as last year" crowd, don't forget that two of the five best guys on offense from 2009 (TO and Butler) are gone. And this genius new coach went back to CHECKWARDS. so that's actually 3 huge downgrades.
Cookiemonster Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 You got that right. I assume you were one of them. Maybe he was, I know for sure that I was, as I am always optomistic when it comes to the Bills. You predicting a score that is lopsisded in GB's favor, when everyone knew we would probably get hammered, makes you a real nostrodumbass. We should all consult with you before we get our collective hopes to high, as you are the self appointed bring us back down to earth man.
birdog1960 Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I am sticking with Gailey and Nix. not a lot of choice there....all the big names completely ignored and nearly disrespected wilson...and he deserves it. long suffering bills fans don't (even the boderline psychotic optimists here who think this pair are better than the established names other teams were able to land).
Drifter Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Exactly. Vince Lombardi couldn't win with this collection of talent. And for the "same team as last year" crowd, don't forget that two of the five best guys on offense from 2009 (TO and Butler) are gone. If only the league could set up a system to replace lost talent.
tennesseeboy Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Gailey and Nix had tons of opportunities to fix this team in the offseason. They had lots of film and a whole preseason to recognize the problems at offense (which weren't problems at running back.) They had free agent and trade opportunities (Owens, Incognito and Vick could have been had if the price were right.) They could have gotten the guy who was playing left tackle pretty well for Green Bay yesterday as a first round pick instead of Spiller (Bulaga) They could have gotten Flozell Adams for right tackle, or addressed the issue in the draft. They didn't. Chan and Buddy...you better get hustling if you're going to get the nine wins which should allow you to keep your jobs.
Amstel Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 More than Coaching right now I think this team is a mess because of a decade of bad drafting. At best our good draft choices have become "solid" players but no stars. I can see why Nix didnt bring in any big name free agents. Whats the point? We're probably a few years and a couple more (good) drafts away from contending for anything. We're not a "Karlos Dansby" or "Jake Delhomme" or whomever away from contending. Sign them now and they're three years older by the time we're ready to contend for the division. Even if Peyton Manning had been available and we signed him we wouldnt contend. Sure the offense would be better but he'd still be playing behind the same line, with the same receivers and no tight end. I admit I was wrong. I thought the team would be better and we'd surprise a few people. I thought they looked decent in preseason and based on no particular rationale I guess I blindly hoped things would be looking up. I'm not giving anyone a pass. I just think that more than "Ralph's cheap" or "Nix doesnt know what he's doing" that even though they won't and can't admit it, they didnt go on a signing spree because we're more than a few players away and its going to take another two or three seasons. Anyone remember TO last year....we were a heck of a lot farther away from serious contention than a star wideout.... I know there are few teams that have turned things around in short order but those teams either had more talent than we do or were a total fluke I'm down like everyone else but not in "panic" mode. We all want a quick fix to something that took the better part of a decade to get into. Its going to take some time.....
Alaska Darin Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 He could have signed Jake Delhomeme or Marc Bulger
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 I have been reading your post for quite a long time here. All you post have been way off and you have been flat out wrong. Your obviosuly living in a bubble when it comes to this team. Maybe you should listen to what I have to say. Wake the F up and smell the coffee. Your right about one thing the Bills do suck and I do win nothing. So what's your point. My point is everything you have posted has been flat out wrong. Sit back and listen to some more educated fans before you try to sling mud my way. I get no enjoyment out of watching my team lose. I could careless about being right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suppose you will make excuses after we lose to the Pats and Jets too. Aren't you the same genius who suggested that Bills fans wear paper bags over their heads? Find a post where I said this team was going to the playoffs. Find a post where I said this team would be VASTLY improved. Find anything anywhere where I said that Gailey was going to turn this team around immediately. The only thing I've said is that the talent level this year is about the same as last year and better coaching should translate to more wins. I'm fairly certain I've been a Bills fan longer than you've been alive. The difference is, I'm not part of the give it to me now generation. I've been through worse and haven't left the team. I'm a Bills fan, good bad or otherwise. The difference between you and me is that I enjoy being optimistic whereas you're just another "I told you so" douche bag. As for what you have to say, it's the same miserable **** that you and 100 other smacktards post here every day. There's nothing new, nothing different, nothing insightful. Just the same old we suck, fire cut or trade player X blah blah blah blah blah. Frankly, it's all a bunch of low IQ noise at this point. Why don't you actually go back, watch the game and look at where the breakdowns occur. THAT will give you some insight as to where things are going wrong and allow you to post something useful that elevates you above the average internet forum lemming. And the retard rollercoaster goes up up up..
tennesseeboy Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 There has been enough bad decision making in the Gailey/Nix era for them to be responsible for what we are seeing. Certainly Jauron ignored a major problem with Peters leaving by not drafting Oher instead of Maybin. However Nix/Gailey could see the problem from the day they came in and could have easily drafted Bulaga and gotten a second serviceable offensive tackle in free agency or trade. They really should have seen whether our qb situation was okay or not based on years of tape and the pre-season and could have gone in a different qb direction with the McNabb/Vick/or any number of other qb options. They could have seen that we would be weak on receivers and made a play to keep TO. This is clearly THEIR team and they can't blame it on the previous administration. They have the hand that they dealt themselves. I say hold them to getting nine wins with that hand and if they don't get rid of both of them.
Indy Dave Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Or Dan Pastorini or Brian Sipe. Or any of a number of quarterbacks who had their moments but as of 2010 are washed up. Jesus.
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 Gailey and Nix had tons of opportunities to fix this team in the offseason. They had lots of film and a whole preseason to recognize the problems at offense (which weren't problems at running back.) They had free agent and trade opportunities (Owens, Incognito and Vick could have been had if the price were right.) They could have gotten the guy who was playing left tackle pretty well for Green Bay yesterday as a first round pick instead of Spiller (Bulaga) They could have gotten Flozell Adams for right tackle, or addressed the issue in the draft. They didn't. Chan and Buddy...you better get hustling if you're going to get the nine wins which should allow you to keep your jobs. I am puzzled at their decision to not retain Incognito. He played well last year, maybe he just told the team that he wasn't interested in signing with them?? Bulaga wouldn't have be a massive upgrade over Merideth or Bell. The bigger issue was that he wasn't worthy of the 9th pick. He's just not that good. Adams would have been a one year stop gap at best but he alone wasn't going to be the difference between going to the playoffs and another 8-8 season. This team needs to stop looking for leak pluggers and focus on long term solutions. They've got a solid inner core but they can't ignore the tackle positions any longer. If Bell or Merideth develop into quality starting tackles you can bet your ass that Nix is not going to let them walk. It's going to be a long bumpy road but I'm still confident that they will rebuild this team. The problem is there are just WAY too many holes to fix in one season. The team is talent poor and both Ralph Wilson and Buddy Nix said that back in the spring.
tennesseeboy Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 If only the league could set up a system to replace lost talent. Vince Lombardi was smart enough not to assemble a roster of talent this bad.
Amstel Posted September 20, 2010 Posted September 20, 2010 The difference is, I'm not part of the give it to me now generation. I've been through worse and haven't left the team. I'm a Bills fan, good bad or otherwise. The difference between you and me is that I enjoy being optimistic. And the retard rollercoaster goes up up up.. You are so right! We have become a "drive thru" society. We want quick fixes to everything be it the economy or football team- situations that took years of miscalculations and mistakes to get into we want to get out of overnight! And that last line is classic!
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