Locker room privacy ??

[BRH]

The athletes are told beforehand when the reporters are coming in (at least that's how it was back in the day) and they are supposed to be "decent" when they come in. But some simply don't care and will walk back to their lockers sans towel if they feel like it.

And some will walk back to their lockers sans towel for other reasons. In fact, if you read "Bronx Zoo" or any of several other tell-all sports books from the '70s, Sparky Lyle and the others are pretty explicit in describing how some athletes deliberately harassed female reporters when locker rooms were first "opened" to reporters of both genders.

[BuffaloBill]

It's never okay, but this mock indignation and shock about it is pathetic. That reporter puts her sexuality right out there for everyone to see, for the sole purpose of getting attention (if all she wanted was answers to questions about sports, then why not just wear a burka)? She then cannot get upset when she actually receives that attention (in a locker room of all places).

 

 

You should stop now. I'm not sure you could make yourself look any more ignorant but you should not take the chance.

[papazoid]

I have always thought something was wrong with women being allowed in a men's locker room while men are walking around naked, which in my opinion is taking "Women's Lib/Rights" too far. I am all for women being able to do just about anything that a man can do, if they can physically do it, it isn't right that the men have no privacy. I do not in anyway excuse what the Jets' players said or done and they are at fault as long as the female media member's are allowed in the locker room, but there are never any men in ladies locker rooms, especially when nudity is present-double standard? Now, I don't think men should be in ladies locker rooms, as I don't think women should be in men's locker rooms. There are plenty of opportunities for females to get interviews without talking to a guy with his junk hanging out. Like someone else said here, the majority of the female reporters are quite attractive, and this one in particular, is a model,and may I say is smoking hot, which only adds to the chances of something undesireable happening, after all these are human beings of the male species in the locker room. Picture yourself, about 22 years old, with a lady that looks like that, with a body like that, dressing like she does (she is a model and her main genre of reporting is not sports) and she looks down even by mistake and sees your manhood, the majority of young men are going to get a stiff proposition for her, if you know what I mean-now is that offending her? Just to put it out there, from what I have heard on the radio, this reporter isn't suing anyone, and she didn't even report it, she found out the next morning on TV about the whole incident. Just imagine if men reporters were allowed into the ladies lockerroom after say a WNBA or NCAA women's championship where there was nudity-every time the reporter glanced below the neckline a harassment charge would be brought against him.

 

 

just to clarify....

 

 

Men are, indeed, allowed in women's locker rooms. Driving into work on Monday I heard a nationally syndicated radio commentator lamenting the fact that he couldn't go in women's locker rooms. Apparently he's never attempted to cover women's sports -- sadly, not too surprising. But as this particular radio talker works for a network that covers both the WNBA and the women's NCAA basketball tournament -- and also employs several high profile women sports reporters -- you'd think he might have checked his facts.

 

The WNBA -- the playoffs are going on right now -- has the same rules as the NBA. Open locker rooms at designated times. In the NCAA tournament, the same rules govern both men and women's locker rooms -- they're both open at specific times. During the regular season, NCAA institutions can make their own rules about locker room availability, but during the tournament the NCAA has a uniform policy. When Stanford played UConn in last April's championship, if you wanted to see how devastated Jayne Appel was after her terrible shooting night, you needed to be in the locker room. I was there. So were my male colleagues.

 

 

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ann_killion/09/14/reporters/index.html#ixzz0zbtFssHK

[DrDawkinstein]

This story is irking the **** out of me. This reporter dresses like shes going to a NYC nightclub and then has the audacity to get offended by the attention she gets from the players? No woman "deserves" to be sexually abused. I do not ever buy the "she had it coming" line of reasoning. But there IS something to be said about the way Ms. Sainz is doing her job and her level of professionalism.

 

WHOA WHOA WHOA buddy. She has been ON RECORD saying she was not offended, did not complain, and had no problem with either situation. it was the REST OF THE MEDIA that was around that is trying to make a story out of this. much like the quran burning BS story from last week.

 

don't pin this on her, she is great about it. watch the video.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5568266&campaign=rss&source=NFLHeadlines

[BRH]

You should stop now. I'm not sure you could make yourself look any more ignorant but you should not take the chance.

Too late.

[DrDawkinstein]

It's never okay, but this mock indignation and shock about it is pathetic. That reporter puts her sexuality right out there for everyone to see, for the sole purpose of getting attention (if all she wanted was answers to questions about sports, then why not just wear a burka)? She then cannot get upset when she actually receives that attention (in a locker room of all places).

 

again see my post above and both videos in my link (theyll play consecutively). she was NOT the one that started this. the rest of the media did.

 

just read the rest of your posts in this thread. congrats son, youre a douchebag.

Edited September 15, 2010 by DrDankenstein

[Delete This Account]

What a surprise. A reporter took one comment out of many and blew it out of proportion, and proving my point as well. I used the burka because it was the absolute other extreme. How reporters carry themselves does make a difference, and to think that she doesn't know that the way she carries herself will elicit these responses is a little naive.

what a surprise. a poster attempts to flex his internet muscles by being as bigoted and ignorant as possible and when that poster gets called out on it, says he was somehow taken out of context. touche for proving many of my points.

 

jw

[Rob's House]

One more thought: Clinton Portis is an idiot. Would he also like to extend that "inspecting packages" theory to male reporters, and ask everyone who enters the locker room with a notepad/recorder whether they're straight or gay?

Clinton Portis is clearly an idiot, but in this situation (and perhaps I haven't heard the entire quote) what did he say that was so offensive?

[papazoid]

Lori....do you think that men and women athletes should have a restricted area where they can get dressed PRIOR to the arrival of the media ?....or provide more time to allow them to get dressed before the media arrives?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You knew I'd have something to say about this, right? But it might not be what you're expecting...

 

Obvious lack of professionalism on both sides here.

 

First, as JW notes: at certain times, NFL locker rooms are designated as open to the media. That's a league rule. So is their equal-access policy, established in the early 1980s -- in other words, well before the Lisa Olson incident which made me a Patriots-hater for life.

 

Next, for those of you asking about women's high-level sports, the answer is yes: the WNBA has the same rules as the NBA, and the women's basketball Final Four and World Cup soccer also have locker-room availability for both male and female reporters. Obviously, those standards change in most amateur sports. (Read: younger athletes.) Many colleges set up separate interview rooms -- believe that's what St. Bonaventure's basketball team does, though JW can correct me if I'm wrong -- and I think we all agree that NONE of us belong in any high school locker room.

 

I see the Killion column has already been linked. She makes some valid points, but don't be fooled into thinking Sainz has the unconditional support of female sportswriters everywhere. As a friend e-mailed me with some disdain, "Every time something like this happens to someone like her, it makes the job harder for the rest of us."

 

Here's an insightful take from Jemele Hill: The Jets, Ines Sainz and sharing blame

 

I agree with most of her conclusions. As I told her, my only quibble regarded her disappointment with the Association for Women in Sports Media. (Disclosure: I'm a member. Not sure if Jemele is -- don't see her name in my copy of the directory -- and I can pretty much guarantee that Sainz is not.) As much as I dislike Sainz's pose-and-flirt brand of "journalism," the fact remains that the Jets did give her a press pass -- "the most important thing she wore," tweeted ESPNNewYork's Jane McManus, who has covered the Jets for several years -- which more or less forced AWSM's hand. Much like the ACLU on free-speech issues, we can only defend it for all if "all" includes people whose speech makes us feel like punching them in the nose.

 

The official AWSM response by president Amy Moritz: Equal access supported by law

 

 

 

One more thought: Clinton Portis is an idiot. Would he also like to extend that "inspecting packages" theory to male reporters, and ask everyone who enters the locker room with a notepad/recorder whether they're straight or gay?

From Dan Wetzel, one of the best columnists going right now: Portis voices misguided ugliness in NFL culture

[truth on hold]

Clinton Portis is clearly an idiot, but in this situation (and perhaps I haven't heard the entire quote) what did he say that was so offensive?

because he didnt put 100% of the responsibility on the men in the situation. according to the pundits, she could have walked in with only a g-string and pasties, and the jets were expected not to notice.

[papazoid]

Clinton Portis is clearly an idiot, but in this situation (and perhaps I haven't heard the entire quote) what did he say that was so offensive?

 

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Anovw96KG2w214Vt4m5biN9DubYF?slug=dw-portiscomments091410

[LeviF]

Clinton Portis is clearly an idiot, but in this situation (and perhaps I haven't heard the entire quote) what did he say that was so offensive?

What he said implied that women could not be professional in the locker room. That's how I took it, at least. It wasn't directly offensive, but the undertone was fairly obvious, IMO.

[Rob's House]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Anovw96KG2w214Vt4m5biN9DubYF?slug=dw-portiscomments091410

So....was it because he said "packages"?.

 

It sounded to me like he basically said, their doing a job and can't act on it, but a straight woman in a room with 53 naked athletes is going to be attracted to at least one of them. I'm still trying to find the source of the outrage.

[billsfreak]

just to clarify....

 

 

Men are, indeed, allowed in women's locker rooms. Driving into work on Monday I heard a nationally syndicated radio commentator lamenting the fact that he couldn't go in women's locker rooms. Apparently he's never attempted to cover women's sports -- sadly, not too surprising. But as this particular radio talker works for a network that covers both the WNBA and the women's NCAA basketball tournament -- and also employs several high profile women sports reporters -- you'd think he might have checked his facts.

 

The WNBA -- the playoffs are going on right now -- has the same rules as the NBA. Open locker rooms at designated times. In the NCAA tournament, the same rules govern both men and women's locker rooms -- they're both open at specific times. During the regular season, NCAA institutions can make their own rules about locker room availability, but during the tournament the NCAA has a uniform policy. When Stanford played UConn in last April's championship, if you wanted to see how devastated Jayne Appel was after her terrible shooting night, you needed to be in the locker room. I was there. So were my male colleagues.

 

 

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/ann_killion/09/14/reporters/index.html#ixzz0zbtFssHK

Were you in there while the ladies were changing clothes?

[DrDawkinstein]

So....was it because he said "packages"?.

 

It sounded to me like he basically said, their doing a job and can't act on it, but a straight woman in a room with 53 naked athletes is going to be attracted to at least one of them. I'm still trying to find the source of the outrage.

 

i dont think anyone is "outraged" as much as they are sick and tired of the typical pompous attitude of players. dude is basically saying that the athletes are sooo awesome that any female walking into the locker room will HAVE to be attracted to them. that the females just wont be able to help themselves and will HAVE to stare at them. get over yourself buddy.

 

Portis thinks he knows how other people (in this case female reporters) think and whats in their head, when really he has no idea what he is talking about, speaking for the way other people might secretly feel. he just sounds like a dipshit.

[billsfreak]

What a surprise. A reporter took one comment out of many and blew it out of proportion, and proving my point as well. I used the burka because it was the absolute other extreme. How reporters carry themselves does make a difference, and to think that she doesn't know that the way she carries herself will elicit these responses is a little naive.

Do you realize how ignorant you sound? If you looked for any articles or facts on this whole issue, you would find out that she isn't the one who complained, yet she found out the following morning on TV that it was even an issue. She said she wasn't offended and isn't suing or filing any complaints against anyone, it was the media around her (mostly male) that had a real issue with what was happening. Get your facts right before you spout out.

[SwampD]

You should stop now. I'm not sure you could make yourself look any more ignorant but you should not take the chance.

 

 

Too late.

 

 

again see my post above and both videos in my link (theyll play consecutively). she was NOT the one that started this. the rest of the media did.

 

just read the rest of your posts in this thread. congrats son, youre a douchebag.

 

 

what a surprise. a poster attempts to flex his internet muscles by being as bigoted and ignorant as possible and when that poster gets called out on it, says he was somehow taken out of context. touche for proving many of my points.

 

jw

Doesn't anyone else care that this is the same "network" that sent a reporter into the locker room in a wedding dress to propose to Tom Brady and then jump in his arms? This was a publicity stunt and yes, she asked for it because that is what her producers wanted. I work in TV so I know that this is exactly the kind of thing they were hoping would happen.

 

I'll leave the name calling alone because it doesn't add anything to the conversation that I thought we were having.

[eball]

because he didnt put 100% of the responsibility on the men in the situation. according to the pundits, she could have walked in with only a g-string and pasties, and the jets were expected not to notice.

Link?

[The Dean]

Clinton Portis "she's gonna want somebody" :

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/09/clinton-portis-on-women-reporters-in-locker-room-shes-gonna-want-somebody/1

 

NFL Scolds Portis:

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/09/nfl-clinton-portis-comments-about-women-reporters-were-inappropriate-and-offensive/1

 

 

i think the locker room should be CLOSED to ALL reporters...men and women.

 

there should be media access in a seperate area.

 

 

 

The locker room really is no place for reporters, or outsiders in general. Best idea, IMO, is to make it restricted access.

 

If you let reporters in the locker room, it should be for a very short period of time, and the athletes (men and women) should be required to wear something to cover their private areas while reporters are in the room.

 

Obviously, if reporters are allowed there shouldn't be discrimination based on sex.

 

I'm guessing there is more access to men's locker rooms (and not women's) is because men's sports tend to be far more popular and access is "more important" from a media audience perspective.

 

Clinton Portis should be muzzled. Whenever this guy talks he says something to demonstrate how incredibly stupid he is.

 

If women are allowed in a men's locker room, or vice versa, there is still NO EXCUSE for sexual comment or innuendo from either the reporters of the athletes.

[papazoid]

Were you in there while the ladies were changing clothes?

 

 

not me...that was an excerp from a female reporter in that link.