3rdnlng Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/meltdown_of_the_climate_consensus_G0kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/meltdown_of_the_climate_consensus_G0kWdclUvwhVr6DYH6A4uJ Yeah, I've been saying... Now hopefully we can start marginalizing those bozos and get some actual research done. Side note: did anyone else glance at that picture and say "Damn, what the !@#$ happened to Dennis Miller?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/when-science-clashes-with-belief-make-science-impotent.ars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/when-science-clashes-with-belief-make-science-impotent.ars Conner thinks the scientific process is closing one's eyes, stomping one's feet, and screaming "I'M NOT LISTENING! I'M NOT LISTENING!" at the top of one's lungs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Conner thinks the scientific process is closing one's eyes, stomping one's feet, and screaming "I'M NOT LISTENING! I'M NOT LISTENING!" at the top of one's lungs. Funny, because that is exactly what I think of you. DC Tom thinks the scientific process is doing what DC Tom says. He's not an expert, or even knowledgeable in the field of climatology, yet the guy insists he knows more than the many well respected and peer reviewed articles that are out there. 3rdnlng, I know you are brainwashed on this issue, but I'll give it a shot anyways. The core science of global warming is well documented, it's been peer reviewed and subjected to maximize scrutiny and survived. The core concepts behind global warming are based on science that is over 80 years old (well before Fox News or Al Gore existed). Sure the IPCC has likely made some fringe predictions that may or may not be true. It does not matter, the core science that the average temperature of the Earth is on the rise to unprecedented levels is as close to indisputable as you can get. We are headed unto unknown areas temperature wise. Predicting the future regarding this is like predicting an earthquake, you can try, but you are not likely to get it right. Global warming is happening and will continue to happen. All of the science-hating in the world is not going to stop it. And !@#$ Al Gore, the guy is a tard. Edited September 2, 2010 by conner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/05/when-science-clashes-with-belief-make-science-impotent.ars Can you make yourself a little clearer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Can you make yourself a little clearer? You are brainwashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Funny, because that is exactly what I think of you. The difference being I have published research to my name, and you watch PBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted September 2, 2010 Author Share Posted September 2, 2010 Funny, because that is exactly what I think of you. DC Tom thinks the scientific process is doing what DC Tom says. He's not an expert, or even knowledgeable in the field of climatology, yet the guy insists he knows more than the many well respected and peer reviewed articles that are out there. 3rdnlng, I know you are brainwashed on this issue, but I'll give it a shot anyways. The core science of global warming is well documented, it's been peer reviewed and subjected to maximize scrutiny and survived. The core concepts behind global warming are based on science that is over 80 years old (well before Fox News or Al Gore existed). Sure the IPCC has likely made some fringe predictions that may or may not be true. It does not matter, the core science that the average temperature of the Earth is on the rise to unprecedented levels is as close to indisputable as you can get. We are headed unto unknown areas temperature wise. Predicting the future regarding this is like predicting an earthquake, you can try, but you are not likely to get it right. Global warming is happening and will continue to happen. All of the science-hating in the world is not going to stop it. And !@#$ Al Gore, the guy is a tard. Ever hear of the global cooling/freezing and new ice age we were all told about in the 70's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 The difference being I have published research to my name, and you watch PBS. Global Warming research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Resonable people that I trust are believrs in it, people like Bill Gates, so I'm inclined to think its real. Plus all the solutions seem so sensable and positive, that even if it were not true I'd support the measures to fight it because they are so benefitial for other reasons. The deniers just seem like baffoons and jack ares or oil people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Global Warming research? Doesn't have to be global warming research to know that the scientific process is perverted by the IPCC, as I have been, and the InterAcademy Council is now, saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Doesn't have to be global warming research to know that the scientific process is perverted by the IPCC, as I have been, and the InterAcademy Council is now, saying. That doesn't mean that it's not real, just that the research is incomplete. The process should yield a more and more accurate result over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ever hear of the global cooling/freezing and new ice age we were all told about in the 70's? Ya sure. The theory still exists (although in a modified form) http://www.grida.no/publications/other/ipcc_tar/?src=/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/357.htm Given the C02/temperate correlations many think the likely end result of global warming is an ice age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Resonable people that I trust are believrs in it, people like Bill Gates, so I'm inclined to think its real. That is one of the stupider justifications I've ever heard. "Bill Gates believes it, good enough for me." Plus all the solutions seem so sensable and positive, that even if it were not true I'd support the measures to fight it because they are so benefitial for other reasons. The deniers just seem like baffoons and jack ares or oil people Something important usually missed in these discussions. "Global warming is bad science" does not mean "pollute to your heart's content". Quite the contrary - I get pissed that the environmental movment has been hijacked by the "anti-carbon" movement in the name of bad science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ever hear of the global cooling/freezing and new ice age we were all told about in the 70's? Yes, the logical answer is that your opinion about research done in the 70's means that Global Warming is a scam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Ever hear of the global cooling/freezing and new ice age we were all told about in the 70's? Really? I grew up then and never heard about that. Can you point to some non-Rushbo links to prove people were pushing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Resonable people that I trust are believrs in it, people like Bill Gates, so I'm inclined to think its real. Naaaaaaa, you're not a lemming. Nope, not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 That doesn't mean that it's not real, just that the research is incomplete. The process should yield a more and more accurate result over time. Actually, it means the research is bad. And again, that's been my point...the research has been truncated (for lack of a better word) by this fiction that "consensus" is a valid scientific principle, thereby resulting in incomplete research and bad science. I've never said global warming isn't happening, I've never even said it's not anthropogenic. I've said the science is bad. Children like conner simply don't twig to the distinction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drnykterstein Posted September 2, 2010 Share Posted September 2, 2010 Naaaaaaa, you're not a lemming. Nope, not at all. Everybody get's their information from somewhere. I'll assume you went to Greenland and measured ice core temperature and C02 levels yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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