metzelaars_lives Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Are you really Pete Metzelaars? Yes I am.
Merle Haggard Posted September 2, 2010 Author Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) I'm sorry to say but dome stadium sucks!! football should be an out door sport not indoor.. Who is saying it should be a dome stadium??? Not me. Retractable roof yes, with the understanding it is always open for home games no matter the weather. Are you in fact the real Merle Haggard and if so, are you retiring from posting here? I'd imagine you could get some good material for some heartbreaking country tunes on here. Son, I have no plans on retiring. Edited September 2, 2010 by Merle Haggard
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Who is saying it should be a dome stadium??? Not me. Retractable roof yes, with the understanding it is always open for home games no matter the weather. Son, I have no plans on retiring. Why does bad weather favor this Bills team? None of these guys have played much in it?
notwoz Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 But they sell out every game and make a lot of money. It shouldn't matter about the population, it should matter about their success. Look at Green Bay, excluding their historic factor,that area (including Milwaukee), isn't doing great either, but they make money like we do. The fact that Bills fans have been packing the stadium through this 10-year drought is a testament to the fans. The Bills do sell a lot of tickets, but the tickets they sell are the cheapest in the league. The average ticket price for a Bills' games is a league-low $85.01, according to this morning's Wall Street Journal. Compare that to the top of the scale: $265.29 average price for a New York Giants ticket; $240.83 average price for a New Orleans Saints ticket; $225.68 average price for a New York Jets ticket. Granted, the top of the range is ridiculous and an example of how professional sports has priced itself out of the market for the "average" fan. But getting back to the Bills: By selling the cheapest seats in the NFL, the Bills almost guarantee that they don't make as much money most other teams in the league. In fact, according to Forbes magazine, the Bills had operating income of $12.4 million in 2007 -- 27 of the 32 teams had higher operating income. To repeat, while they may be selling out a lot of games, they are doing so with the league's lowest average ticket prices. Long story short: Football is a business. The the owners of these businesses are like you and me in one important respect -- we all want to make more money this year than we did last year. And we want to make more money next year than we did this year. The declining population of the Buffalo metropolitan area makes that task more difficult for the Bills with each passing year. So if population doesn't matter, why have the Bills expanded their marketing efforts to Rochester and Ontario? Because they need to put fannies in their bargain-basement seats. There are fewer and fewer enough potential fannies in Buffalo and the nearby suburbs. The result is that they have to expand their potential customer base by expanding their market area.
Merle Haggard Posted September 2, 2010 Author Posted September 2, 2010 Why does bad weather favor this Bills team? None of these guys have played much in it? Well WEO, after week 4 or so, our guys will be living in bad weather. They will adapt which will give us an advantage.
Dr. Zaius Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 Well WEO, after week 4 or so, our guys will be living in bad weather. They will adapt which will give us an advantage. Man alive, I sure do dig this topic. Thanks a million, Merle! Large.
Merle Haggard Posted September 2, 2010 Author Posted September 2, 2010 Man alive, I sure do dig this topic. Thanks a million, Merle! Large. Thanks buddy! Looks like you is a "newbie" around these parts just like myself. Good for you, better for this forum. LOL. Make it a great day Dr. Z!
Dr. Zaius Posted September 2, 2010 Posted September 2, 2010 (edited) Thanks buddy! Looks like you is a "newbie" around these parts just like myself. Good for you, better for this forum. LOL. Make it a great day Dr. Z! Thank you, brother. Better times lie ahead for the Buffalo Bills. Edited September 2, 2010 by Dr. Zaius
Merle Haggard Posted September 8, 2010 Author Posted September 8, 2010 The fact that Bills fans have been packing the stadium through this 10-year drought is a testament to the fans. The Bills do sell a lot of tickets, but the tickets they sell are the cheapest in the league. The average ticket price for a Bills' games is a league-low $85.01, according to this morning's Wall Street Journal. Compare that to the top of the scale: $265.29 average price for a New York Giants ticket; $240.83 average price for a New Orleans Saints ticket; $225.68 average price for a New York Jets ticket. Granted, the top of the range is ridiculous and an example of how professional sports has priced itself out of the market for the "average" fan. But getting back to the Bills: By selling the cheapest seats in the NFL, the Bills almost guarantee that they don't make as much money most other teams in the league. In fact, according to Forbes magazine, the Bills had operating income of $12.4 million in 2007 -- 27 of the 32 teams had higher operating income. To repeat, while they may be selling out a lot of games, they are doing so with the league's lowest average ticket prices. Long story short: Football is a business. The the owners of these businesses are like you and me in one important respect -- we all want to make more money this year than we did last year. And we want to make more money next year than we did this year. The declining population of the Buffalo metropolitan area makes that task more difficult for the Bills with each passing year. So if population doesn't matter, why have the Bills expanded their marketing efforts to Rochester and Ontario? Because they need to put fannies in their bargain-basement seats. There are fewer and fewer enough potential fannies in Buffalo and the nearby suburbs. The result is that they have to expand their potential customer base by expanding their market area. Not sure what your point is. Putting it on the edge of the falls would make our venue the envy of the league. A natural draw. An example of the "can do" spirit that makes our part of the country so specail. "Build it and they will come" Simple as that. We should get to it...
Buffalo Billy Posted September 8, 2010 Posted September 8, 2010 Hey TheProphet, you were given numerous valid reasons why they can not and will not build a retractible stadium on the falls. You can stop this charade of talking to yourself to bump your own stupid and dead threads back to the front page.
Merle Haggard Posted September 8, 2010 Author Posted September 8, 2010 Hey TheProphet, you were given numerous valid reasons why they can not and will not build a retractible stadium on the falls. You can stop this charade of talking to yourself to bump your own stupid and dead threads back to the front page. Hey guys, Our resident looney toon stalker is at it again. Do you ever post anything football related around here? LOL Billy boy, there is absolutely no reason, from an engineering perspective, why this stadium could not be built on the US side of the mighty falls. It would be the envy of the league. We could market it as one of the seven man made wonders of the world married to one of the seven wonders of the wonder. LOL. Dream big, be big Billy boy. LOL.
notwoz Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 Not sure what your point is. Putting it on the edge of the falls would make our venue the envy of the league. A natural draw. An example of the "can do" spirit that makes our part of the country so specail. "Build it and they will come" Simple as that. We should get to it... I was responding to Bills1960. Maybe you should try reading through the thread. LOL Your idea is so wrong on so many levels. First off, I used to live in Niagara Falls and know that the US side has a crap view of the falls. You want a good view, go to Canada. Second, LOL the land around the falls is owned by NY state. It's part of the park system. It would be a bureaucratic nightmare to even think about buying up that land. Third, who's going to pay for it? NY residents already suffer under an onerous and crushing tax burden. There's an old saying: there's no such thing as a stupid question. Whoever came up with that never read your OP.
kasper13 Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 The Falls aren't real. They do not exist. Just an optical illusion. At night, they pull up the curtain and really it's just a big casino. I don't know where they would actually put a stadium in the Falls. I would go Buffalo waterfront first. I think where the Pier used to be would be a good spot.
Merle Haggard Posted September 9, 2010 Author Posted September 9, 2010 I was responding to Bills1960. Maybe you should try reading through the thread. LOL Your idea is so wrong on so many levels. First off, I used to live in Niagara Falls and know that the US side has a crap view of the falls. You want a good view, go to Canada. Second, LOL the land around the falls is owned by NY state. It's part of the park system. It would be a bureaucratic nightmare to even think about buying up that land. Third, who's going to pay for it? NY residents already suffer under an onerous and crushing tax burden. There's an old saying: there's no such thing as a stupid question. Whoever came up with that never read your OP. You doubting Thomas types are a hoot. "Oh no, it will never work...the sky is falling...change is bad..." LOL. Dummy.
notwoz Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 You doubting Thomas types are a hoot. "Oh no, it will never work...the sky is falling...change is bad..." LOL. Dummy. Oh you're so witty LOL Earlier in this thread I asked you what the other six wonders are, and do they have sports arenas built on top of them? You never answered me, dummy. LOL
ET1062 Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 I have long thought the idea of a stadium in the falls was the perfect solution. However, the land next to the falls is a new york state state park. It isnt going to happen there. However, you could put it near the base of the rainbow bridge. Canadians could park their cars in Canada and walk to the game and back. All off downtown NF needs to be bulldozed anyways. Plenty of room where the vacant rainbow mall and turtle are located. If the stadium were built with a dome, there is a slight chance of landing the superbowl or final four. Between the two countries, there are more than enough hotel rooms, as this is the off season for tourism. The stadium could feature an NFL Experience tourist attraction, summer visitors for china, india, mexico, japan all want a taste of americana. I brought this idea up serval years ago on here and was mocked, then jim kelly brought it up and all of a sudden it is a great idea. Well, it is a great idea. One hour from toronto and we get to keep our team!
Ray Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 The idea of building the Bills stadium there is actually a very good idea.......but it will never happen without hundreds of millions in money from the state so it is not happening. They could I suppose turn it into a state of the art stadium/tourist attraction as NF NY is the 6th most popular tourist attraction in the US in numbers of visitors (and the Canadian side is WAY better). You could build a retractable roof stadium, the backdrop setting would be High Rises from the Canadian side and the mist from the Falls and it would be a great scene making Buffalo a great, even more unique environment to play. It is the same distance basically from NF to Buffalo as it is from OP to Buffalo. NF is closer to the important Canadian market and the Rochester contingent will come regardless of where it is as it is the same distance to NF give or take 5 miles. The problem is the debt service.....it would have to be done while Ralph is alive as no new owner can pay for the debt service of buying the team AND a new stadium in a market like Buffalo. Keep in mind that Howard Milstein owns 140+ acres in NF, NY and his lead person there is Roger Trevino Jim Kelly's former agent. Why is that important? Milstein wants an NFL team and tried to buy the Redskins but was outbid by Dan Snyder
Merle Haggard Posted September 9, 2010 Author Posted September 9, 2010 I have long thought the idea of a stadium in the falls was the perfect solution. However, the land next to the falls is a new york state state park. It isnt going to happen there. However, you could put it near the base of the rainbow bridge. Canadians could park their cars in Canada and walk to the game and back. All off downtown NF needs to be bulldozed anyways. Plenty of room where the vacant rainbow mall and turtle are located. If the stadium were built with a dome, there is a slight chance of landing the superbowl or final four. Between the two countries, there are more than enough hotel rooms, as this is the off season for tourism. The stadium could feature an NFL Experience tourist attraction, summer visitors for china, india, mexico, japan all want a taste of americana. I brought this idea up serval years ago on here and was mocked, then jim kelly brought it up and all of a sudden it is a great idea. Well, it is a great idea. One hour from toronto and we get to keep our team! Thanks buddy. Great thoughts. I want to keep it on the US side. My guess is the state would give up some land for the facility in return for the opportunity to make more tax revenue. The idea of building the Bills stadium there is actually a very good idea.......but it will never happen without hundreds of millions in money from the state so it is not happening. They could I suppose turn it into a state of the art stadium/tourist attraction as NF NY is the 6th most popular tourist attraction in the US in numbers of visitors (and the Canadian side is WAY better). You could build a retractable roof stadium, the backdrop setting would be High Rises from the Canadian side and the mist from the Falls and it would be a great scene making Buffalo a great, even more unique environment to play. It is the same distance basically from NF to Buffalo as it is from OP to Buffalo. NF is closer to the important Canadian market and the Rochester contingent will come regardless of where it is as it is the same distance to NF give or take 5 miles. The problem is the debt service.....it would have to be done while Ralph is alive as no new owner can pay for the debt service of buying the team AND a new stadium in a market like Buffalo. Keep in mind that Howard Milstein owns 140+ acres in NF, NY and his lead person there is Roger Trevino Jim Kelly's former agent. Why is that important? Milstein wants an NFL team and tried to buy the Redskins but was outbid by Dan Snyder Thanks Ray. Never say never my man. Dream big, be big. LOL.
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2010 Posted September 9, 2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sports/08stadium.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=stadiums&st=cse
Merle Haggard Posted September 9, 2010 Author Posted September 9, 2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/sports/08stadium.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=stadiums&st=cse Not all stadium deals are losers. Doing nothing while the Ralph becomes further and further outdated is no answer. Think boldly here.
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