BillsPhan Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Standing united means allot to our new HC Chan Gailey, and he's not just talking about the team, Chris Brown reports http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/08/24/chan-admonishes-group-of-fans/ Hey good for Chan. Looks like he's going to have himself all defensive about "his" team this season. That's great. At least he'll be more colorful during his losing press conferences then Jauron was. I would feel better about him "sticking up" for his players, if the hecklers didn't have anything to heckle about.
cåblelady Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Awesome Codemonkey, fans like your daughter are exactly why If you don't have anything better to say then don't say it, and allow the folks around you, especially the younger more impressionable spectators, to have a good time. The only thing I will say is Codemonkey should buy his daughter a Spiller jersey.
The_Philster Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 I love how Chan handled it and I love the fact that Nix hired him more and more. I've never been a fan of heckling players on your own team even at a game and I've seen it more times than I can remember. 1 idiot even threw a box of popcorn at Terrell Owens after a loss early last season (thinking it was the Browns game). All it is is negative reinforcement...the players usually feel bad enough after a bad play or a loss and the coaches get on them enough as it is. It's our job as fans to support them...the only reason I can think for being pissed at a player after a game is if he was clearly dogging it and not trying...like Jason Peters was guilty of frequently in 2008. That being said, I can understand why some fans heckle at games....but at a training camp practice? Talk about a group of idiots! Gailey has grown on me a lot, but this is one thing I don't like. In essence, he's hurting the good fans who cannot get autographs because of a few bad apples. Not to mention that it's a fan's right to heckle. Not something I would do, but it's their right I think. It's part of the deal. Maybe less so at a free practice as opposed to paying for a ticket at a game, but still. There is still free speech and the fans have a right to yell. I don't mind him laying into those fans, that's actually pretty cool. If they can dish it out they can take it. But to stop his players from giving autographs to the good fans, too, who look forward to it doesn't seem right to me. He only told the players to avoid that area of people...not all the fans. I know if I were at camp and those douchebags were near me, I would've moved away from them soon after they started mouthing off...if people thought their stupidity was ok, then they're not much better than those idiots, IMO
Rico Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Are you so quick try to squelch the bleating cries of his supports who continue voice their opinion on how everything in the world other than Trent is the reason why he has failed? Lee Evans isn't a #1, The offensive line sucks, Jauron wouldn't let him throw deep, he got a concussion 3 years ago...etc...etc...etc. Be fair if you want the haters to stop tell the defenders too as well. If you really look IMO the haters are merely replying to these lame threads the supporters try to start to make excuses.
Nervous Guy Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Anyways, Tim Graham has now added his take on the Gailey versus Teenage Hecklers incident: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/26542/chan-gailey-wont-tolerate-bills-insults Very interesting comments: "Too many times I've seen fans ride a player unmercifully from the stands only to turn into trembling fawns when the player comes to the rail to sign an autograph or pose for a picture. It's a safe assumption the same fans who grow Internet muscles when they post anonymously on a message board would go scrambling for a Sharpie if they knew they might get to meet the same player they've been ripping online. A reporter asked Gailey whether he might regret telling the fans what he thought. "No," Gailey replied. "In my opinion, if you do something you tell people why. When we make a decision with our football team, I tell them why. I told [the players] why we weren't going to [sign autographs], and I told [the fans] why we weren't going over there." way to go Chan...and don't you get the feeling that maybe TG might be talking about...nah. Also LOL @ "their shrugmeister former coach, Dick Jauron".
Orton's Arm Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Gailey has grown on me a lot, but this is one thing I don't like. In essence, he's hurting the good fans who cannot get autographs because of a few bad apples. Not to mention that it's a fan's right to heckle. Not something I would do, but it's their right I think. It's part of the deal. Maybe less so at a free practice as opposed to paying for a ticket at a game, but still. There is still free speech and the fans have a right to yell. I don't mind him laying into those fans, that's actually pretty cool. If they can dish it out they can take it. But to stop his players from giving autographs to the good fans, too, who look forward to it doesn't seem right to me. Free speech works both ways: just as the fans have the right to heckle, the team has the right to sign (or in this case) not sign autographs. So I think the tactic is fair. Like you, I'm not thrilled about the idea of punishing the good fans in that section along with the bad. But I can still see the logic. Gailey wanted to make a statement that he'd stand up for his players, and that some forms of fan behavior are not appropriate. Both statements needed to be made. As others pointed out, heckling Trent in practice is as classless as bothering someone while at work. Regardless of whether Trent is or isn't the long-term answer at QB--and I think he probably isn't--fans just shouldn't do that. Maybe next time, there will be more peer pressure from other fans directed against hecklers. (Which was probably one of Gailey's objectives in punishing the whole section.) Edited August 24, 2010 by Edwards' Arm
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 If you go to heckle someone at a free practice, you are a loser. Especially when that person has accomplished more than you ever will in your entire life. And Gailey doing that will go a long way in that lockerroom. The players know the coaches have their backs. I really wanted Shanahan but so far, I love everything Gailey is doing. It's time to start earning some respect.
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Anyways, Tim Graham has now added his take on the Gailey versus Teenage Hecklers incident: http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/26542/chan-gailey-wont-tolerate-bills-insults Very interesting comments: "Too many times I've seen fans ride a player unmercifully from the stands only to turn into trembling fawns when the player comes to the rail to sign an autograph or pose for a picture. It's a safe assumption the same fans who grow Internet muscles when they post anonymously on a message board would go scrambling for a Sharpie if they knew they might get to meet the same player they've been ripping online. A reporter asked Gailey whether he might regret telling the fans what he thought. "No," Gailey replied. "In my opinion, if you do something you tell people why. When we make a decision with our football team, I tell them why. I told [the players] why we weren't going to [sign autographs], and I told [the fans] why we weren't going over there." This moronic behavior was at it's peak when that idiot Dickerson was on the radio. How many players did this guy rip mercilessly day after day until the fans started parroting his nonsense? I seem to remember him basically running Jerry Crafts out of town. I agree with Graham, half of these idiots wouldn't dare say anything to a players face.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 This moronic behavior was at it's peak when that idiot Dickerson was on the radio. How many players did this guy rip mercilessly day after day until the fans started parroting his nonsense? I seem to remember him basically running Jerry Crafts out of town. I agree with Graham, half of these idiots wouldn't dare say anything to a players face. I couldn't agree more about Dickerson, Mike. He was a prime mover in the dumbing down of Buffalo sports fans. What a miserable, bitter windbag he was. And to think that a moron like him could actually spawn "Disciples" or whatever he used to call them. It's really disturbing that stupidity can resonate so loudly in our world.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 My friend, nobody stopped their right to free speech. They freely spoke out. Chan Gailey freely told them what he didn't like and the consequences for it. I'm sure for Gailey to go over there in the first place these particular hecklers must have been over the top. People have the right to say what they want. Other people have the right to respond. nobody took them off to jail for saying things. They just didn't get autographs and the truth of that is the players are under no obligation to give autographs to fans. None at all. I happened to go to Cowboys camp yesterday and three players came over after practice and signed for the fans. THREE. And none of them a starter. People need to remember these guys are at work. Yes it's sports. But it is their job. People need to treat people the way they want to be treated. Bottom line. I totally agree. It seemed, however, that Gailey didn't allow his players to sign autographs for anyone in that area, not just the hecklers. That was my only issue. I'm glad Gailey badmouthed them and stuck up for his team. And personally, I hate autographs and wish fans wouldn't bug the players for them ever. But a lot of kids love to get them and I didnt think they should be kept from getting them just because of a few knuckleheads who just happened by chance to be close by.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) I couldn't agree more about Dickerson, Mike. He was a prime mover in the dumbing down of Buffalo sports fans. What a miserable, bitter windbag he was. And to think that a moron like him could actually spawn "Disciples" or whatever he used to call them. It's really disturbing that stupidity can resonate so loudly in our world. What kind of radio station thinks a coach just fired by a team would provide unbias opinions? I guess a minor league one that just lost the Bills' rights. I totally agree. It seemed, however, that Gailey didn't allow his players to sign autographs for anyone in that area, not just the hecklers. That was my only issue. I'm glad Gailey badmouthed them and stuck up for his team. And personally, I hate autographs and wish fans wouldn't bug the players for them ever. But a lot of kids love to get them and I didnt think they should be kept from getting them just because of a few knuckleheads who just happened by chance to be close by. I hear you but but sometimes the best way to get a point across is to punish everyone. I won't be surprised if other fans said something to those idiot hecklers. In fact, I hope some did. Edited August 24, 2010 by C.Biscuit97
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Free speech works both ways: just as the fans have the right to heckle, the team has the right to sign (or in this case) not sign autographs. So I think the tactic is fair. Like you, I'm not thrilled about the idea of punishing the good fans in that section along with the bad. But I can still see the logic. Gailey wanted to make a statement that he'd stand up for his players, and that some forms of fan behavior are not appropriate. Both statements needed to be made. As others pointed out, heckling Trent in practice is as classless as bothering someone while at work. Regardless of whether Trent is or isn't the long-term answer at QB--and I think he probably isn't--fans just shouldn't do that. Maybe next time, there will be more peer pressure from other fans directed against hecklers. (Which was probably one of Gailey's objectives in punishing the whole section.) There is no right to free speech at a private football practice for a team owned by a private individual. Yes, the practice was open to the public but that does not give license for your average idiot to yell anything he or she feels like. Frankly, I think the failure here is by Bills and SJF security. If you want to yell and be disruptive, you should be escorted from the facility.
The_Philster Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 I couldn't agree more about Dickerson, Mike. He was a prime mover in the dumbing down of Buffalo sports fans. What a miserable, bitter windbag he was. And to think that a moron like him could actually spawn "Disciples" or whatever he used to call them. It's really disturbing that stupidity can resonate so loudly in our world. The worst part is that WGR listeners still get to hear that obnoxious act of his carried on by Schoop...I won't even listen to WGR unless the Sabres are on while I'm in the car or it's the weekend
CodeMonkey Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 The only thing I will say is Codemonkey should buy his daughter a Spiller jersey. She doesn't like the girly pink ones
Kelly the Dog Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 So if I say Nick Hennessey sucks balls, it's the same thing as me saying CJ Spiller sucks balls, or that all of the Bills suck balls? “They said some things during practice that were derogatory to a couple of our players,” Gailey said later. “And if you say something derogatory to one of us, you’re saying it to all of us.”
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 So if I say Nick Hennessey sucks balls, it's the same thing as me saying CJ Spiller sucks balls, or that all of the Bills suck balls? No it means that you're saying that the Bills suck balls.
stevewin Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) I find this incident fascinating for the range of responses it is receiving - it's amazing what you can learn about some posters from not just where they come down on it, but how they come down on it. Edited August 25, 2010 by stevewin
thewildrabbit Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Ok I now have a man crush on Chan Gailey Telling the fans if you heckle one of us you heckle all of us...not gonna take crap from hecklers gotta love it.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 So if I say Nick Hennessey sucks balls, it's the same thing as me saying CJ Spiller sucks balls, or that all of the Bills suck balls? "One of us, equals many of us Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us"
Dr. K Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 She doesn't like the girly pink ones So, off-topic, but do you know the song "Code Monkey" by Jonathan Coulton. He's a fave of mine. PS: Chan was right to do this, and I think his main goal is to foster some team attitude among the players.
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