DC Tom Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 They should have prayed to Jesus to find out if he approves. Yes, American Islamophobia is really about the conflict between Christianity and Islam. Y'see, this is why you're considered a complete idiot. It has nothing to do with whether anyone agrees or disagrees with you, it's entirely because you're a complete ignoramus whose entire thought process is !@#$ed sideways.
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Since when is that the State's business during construction? Are you talking about the State of NY or "state" in general? They should have prayed to Jesus to find out if he approves. Any idea why Pakistan and India don't get along?
Peace Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) Are you talking about the State of NY or "state" in general? Any idea why Pakistan and India don't get along? Both. No state entity asked me who was providing funding when I built my office. People only want to know now because it's a mosque. Edited August 25, 2010 by Peace
GG Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Both. No state entity asked me who was providing funding when I built my office. People only want to know now because it's a mosque. The state may require you to prove that you have the necessary funding to complete the project, but not necessarily the sources. On the other hand, in order for the construction to go on, chances are the developers will need to obtain construction funding. Any financial company that provides that funding will need to comply with PATRIOT Act and will need to verify the conditions of the Know Your Customer rule. So for all the catcalls about the source of funding, it will all be disclosed in some manner, as no bank will touch the financing if there are questionable sources.
drnykterstein Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) Any idea why Pakistan and India don't get along? For the same reason that China and Pakistan don't get along, or that Norway and Pakistan don't get along, or that Russia and Pakistan don't get along. Oh wait, they all get along just fine. Come on, if you are going to cite unrelated ages old conflicts, then maybe you could cite the Catholics and Protestants in your "arguments"? Yes, American Islamophobia is really about the conflict between Christianity and Islam. Hey, you've finally stated a fact. Nice job. Edited August 25, 2010 by conner
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 For the same reason that China and Pakistan don't get along, or that Norway and Pakistan don't get along, or that Russia and Pakistan don't get along. Oh wait, they all get along just fine. Come on, if you are going to cite unrelated ages old conflicts, then maybe you could cite the Catholics and Protestants in your "arguments"? Hey, you've finally stated a fact. Nice job. I guess I was being too subtle for you. In general, does the Islamic religion call for peaceful coexistance with any other religion?
DC Tom Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Hey, you've finally stated a fact. Nice job. Hey, wait a minute, I see what you did there. You took a sarcastic remark, intended to display your blithering idiocy, out of context and charactized it as a serious observation, in order to make yourself look like something other than a blithering idiot. Very crafty of you there, conner. Quite possibly the most creative word play this board has ever seen. Absolutely fascinating...your incomparable command of the language almost had us all fooled. The state may require you to prove that you have the necessary funding to complete the project, but not necessarily the sources. Good thing too. How many lower Manhattan construction projects wouldn't have gone forward if their "family financing" had to be disclosed?
Peace Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 The state may require you to prove that you have the necessary funding to complete the project, but not necessarily the sources. On the other hand, in order for the construction to go on, chances are the developers will need to obtain construction funding. Any financial company that provides that funding will need to comply with PATRIOT Act and will need to verify the conditions of the Know Your Customer rule. So for all the catcalls about the source of funding, it will all be disclosed in some manner, as no bank will touch the financing if there are questionable sources. The issue here is that people are calling on legislatures, and legislators are calling on the mosque, to publicly disclose funding. But that's not legal, to my knowledge. What private companies do between them (requiring disclosures to secure loans, etc) is their business within the boundaries of the PATRIOT Act.
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 The issue here is that people are calling on legislatures, and legislators are calling on the mosque, to publicly disclose funding. But that's not legal, to my knowledge. What private companies do between them (requiring disclosures to secure loans, etc) is their business within the boundaries of the PATRIOT Act. No, many municipalities do require a bond or proof that a building project can be completed. My city for example even has a law that allows them to confiscate part of an insurance settlement until the work has been completed.
GG Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 The issue here is that people are calling on legislatures, and legislators are calling on the mosque, to publicly disclose funding. But that's not legal, to my knowledge. When has that ever stopped political pandering?
Peace Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 No, many municipalities do require a bond or proof that a building project can be completed. My city for example even has a law that allows them to confiscate part of an insurance settlement until the work has been completed. That's not the same as requiring identification of the funding source. Posting a bond just requires evidence of the funding. If the mosque just has to do what everyone has to do, this is not an issue. But people are calling on the State to require them to publicly disclose their funding source, which to my knowledge, is not legal. When has that ever stopped political pandering? I can't argue with that except that these people seem eager to increase governments control over religion--but only because it's not their religion. Scary stuff.
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 That's not the same as requiring identification of the funding source. Posting a bond just requires evidence of the funding. If the mosque just has to do what everyone has to do, this is not an issue. But people are calling on the State to require them to publicly disclose their funding source, which to my knowledge, is not legal. I said "require a bond or proof that a building project can be completed". Typically the funding source would be made known then. That's not the same as requiring identification of the funding source. Posting a bond just requires evidence of the funding. If the mosque just has to do what everyone has to do, this is not an issue. But people are calling on the State to require them to publicly disclose their funding source, which to my knowledge, is not legal. I can't argue with that except that these people seem eager to increase governments control over religion--but only because it's not their religion. Scary stuff. Do not count me as one of those. They have the right to go there. It is my opinion that if they are trying to build a "bridge" that they shouldn't build there. If they are trying to stir up controversy and risk insulting a majority of americans then they should absolutely go there.
drnykterstein Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 I guess I was being too subtle for you. In general, does the Islamic religion call for peaceful coexistance with any other religion? Yes. And by in general, I mean 99% of Muslims are generally happy to co-exist with other religions. But just like the KKK does not represent all of Christianity, Al Qaeda does not represent all of Islam.
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 Yes. And by in general, I mean 99% of Muslims are generally happy to co-exist with other religions. But just like the KKK does not represent all of Christianity, Al Qaeda does not represent all of Islam. What does the Koran say about this?
DC Tom Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 What does the Koran say about this? That Islam must respect and protect other religions "of the book" (so literally, Christianity and Judaism). And that in lieu of service to the caliphites, they must pay a tax (the jizya, I believe).
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 That Islam must respect and protect other religions "of the book" (so literally, Christianity and Judaism). And that in lieu of service to the caliphites, they must pay a tax (the jizya, I believe). http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/28/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/ I guess it just depends upon where you get your information.
GG Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/28/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/ I guess it just depends upon where you get your information. I think a link to the appropriate scripture in the Koran would have been the appropriate rebuttal.
DC Tom Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/28/overwhelming-evidence-of-i/ I guess it just depends upon where you get your information. I got mine from the Koran. Let me fill in your reply: "So did I". No, you got yours third-hand from a single online translation that - again - you accepted unquestioningly because it agreed with your preconceived notons. Again...halfwit.
IDBillzFan Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 I got mine from the Koran. Let me fill in your reply: "So did I". No, you got yours third-hand from a single online translation that - again - you accepted unquestioningly because it agreed with your preconceived notons. Again...halfwit. And everyone knows a preconceived noton is the worst kind of noton.
3rdnlng Posted August 25, 2010 Posted August 25, 2010 I got mine from the Koran. Let me fill in your reply: "So did I". No, you got yours third-hand from a single online translation that - again - you accepted unquestioningly because it agreed with your preconceived notons. Again...halfwit. No, Connor's Hero, I perused several english language sites and they all basically said the same thing. I didn't have time to read the Koran in its entirety. Do you get some kind of joy trying to be an internet bully? You are so intellectually honest that you make up quotes of my answers? I'm getting a picture of what your real life must be like and frankly, it isn't pretty. And everyone knows a preconceived noton is the worst kind of noton. I'm not sure if my noton was preconceived, postconceived or just plain conceived.
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