first_and_ten Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 On a seperate topic, if anyone cares http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?hpid=topnews
tbonestake Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 What an unfortunate fall from grace. Clemens really screwed himself and his career by doing this. He can kiss the HOF goodbye! Hasn't he learned anything from Pete Rose? It's sad to think that Clemens will be traveling around with autograph shows just like Charlie Hustle pleading his case to get into the Hall.
dwight in philly Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 What an unfortunate fall from grace. Clemens really screwed himself and his career by doing this. He can kiss the HOF goodbye! Hasn't he learned anything from Pete Rose? It's sad to think that Clemens will be traveling around with autograph shows just like Charlie Hustle pleading his case to get into the Hall. i really thought at the time that he was being an arrogant jerk before congress. one certainly didnt have to be columbo to know that he was lying, just mildly surprised the FEDS are actually going after him..
The Senator Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Meh, he was an a-hole when he was with the Red Sox and, by definition, an even bigger a-hole when he was a Yankee. (Don't think he was juicin', tho, while he was in Boston and Toronto.)
PushthePile Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Meh, he was an a-hole when he was with the Red Sox and, by definition, an even bigger a-hole when he was a Yankee. (Don't think he was juicin', tho, while he was in Boston and Toronto.) Gotta disagree. Clemens began juicin' in a Blue Jay uniform. The rest is pretty accurate though.
erynthered Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Marion Jones went to Jail for this kinda schit. Bye Bye Roger.
BuffaloBill Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 What an unfortunate fall from grace. Clemens really screwed himself and his career by doing this. He can kiss the HOF goodbye! Hasn't he learned anything from Pete Rose? It's sad to think that Clemens will be traveling around with autograph shows just like Charlie Hustle pleading his case to get into the Hall. Agreed but perhaps others will learn from the example. The problem with sports is that there is far too much money on the line for athletes not to play "try to catch me" when it comes to drug usage.
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 How much is this gonna cost? The scumbag legal profession and pols are sucking our society dry. Now I can see if the cost was relatively cheap... But that won't be the case... What's it gonna be? 10's of millions of dollars?
boyst Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Who gets in the HOF first, Roger Clemens or Pete Rose? If Clemens makes it before Rose I will never watch a single game again...and I like the Yankees.
HopsGuy Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 How much is this gonna cost? The scumbag legal profession and pols are sucking our society dry. Now I can see if the cost was relatively cheap... But that won't be the case... What's it gonna be? 10's of millions of dollars? Agreed. Just how inept is the Justice Department? They can't get indictments for real crimes when they have cooperative witnesses (see Stewart, Martha), so they get them for "obstruction of justice" which, I mean c'mon, that's just BS. Maybe if they had hundreds of millions they'd be able to do this without that crutch of a charge? Of course, we needed that money to bailout the other crooks. Awesome.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Who gets in the HOF first, Roger Clemens or Pete Rose? If Clemens makes it before Rose I will never watch a single game again...and I like the Yankees. Neither gets into the HOF. Neither deserves to. Both should, though.
The Dean Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 Neither gets into the HOF. Neither deserves to. Both should, though. I have no problem with either or both being eligible for the ballet...but ONLY if ALL the evidence against them is released. From what I understand baseball buried a lot of damaging stuff on Rose when he made the deal with Giamatti. I don't think baseball wants that info public, either.
The Senator Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 I have no problem with either or both being eligible for the ballet...but ONLY if ALL the evidence against them is released. From what I understand baseball buried a lot of damaging stuff on Rose when he made the deal with Giamatti. I don't think baseball wants that info public, either. I didn't even know that either one of them could dance.
The Dean Posted August 19, 2010 Posted August 19, 2010 I didn't even know that either one of them could dance.
DC Tom Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Neither gets into the HOF. Neither deserves to. Both should, though. If Clemens doesn't deserve to, then no one from the past 20 years deserves to. While against the rules, it's not an "unfair advantage" if everyone else is taking advantage of it, too. And I heard an interesting point made yesterday: the only way Clemens could avoid these charges is by admitting he used steroids, whether he actually used them or not. Think about it...presume, for argument's sake, that he didn't use. Does anyone really think he wouldn't be charged with "lying to Congress" in that case anyway? Pisses me off, too, that "lying to Congress" is a crime...why isn't their lying to us a crime as well?
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 If Clemens doesn't deserve to, then no one from the past 20 years deserves to. While against the rules, it's not an "unfair advantage" if everyone else is taking advantage of it, too. And I heard an interesting point made yesterday: the only way Clemens could avoid these charges is by admitting he used steroids, whether he actually used them or not. Think about it...presume, for argument's sake, that he didn't use. Does anyone really think he wouldn't be charged with "lying to Congress" in that case anyway? Pisses me off, too, that "lying to Congress" is a crime...why isn't their lying to us a crime as well? Yeah, my point was that Clemens should be a hall of famer based on his career, but IMO he's surrendered his right to say that he deserves it.
Beerball Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 What an unfortunate fall from grace. Clemens really screwed himself and his career by doing this. He can kiss the HOF goodbye! Hasn't he learned anything from Pete Rose? It's sad to think that Clemens will be traveling around with autograph shows just like Charlie Hustle pleading his case to get into the Hall. I don't think you would call what someone did of their own volition and with full knowledge of the consequences if caught unfortunate. Stupid, yes; arrogant, yes, but not unfortunate. (and he's not alone, he simply has allegedly been caught)
Beerball Posted August 20, 2010 Posted August 20, 2010 Neither gets into the HOF. Neither deserves to. Both should, though. paraphrasing: Neither will get into the HOF. Neither deserves to get into the HOF. Both should what though? Sorry, can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say.
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