JP-era Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Guys, the facts are all there. As many INTS as TD's. ANY QB in the league has that type of crappy year and you are most likely screwed for the playoffs or more. I say most likely because there is always some low percentage chance that we still go DESPITE Drew. But you just cant look at that crappy production, those crappy numbers, and pay the guy 6 mil next year as our starter. You guys want to dream, all pie in the sky about how even with his crappy play we get to and win a SB with him, fine. Theres a very very slim chance of that and our teams GM wont take that chance! He knows like the rest of us do that Drew is just about shot, his best years are behind him, and at least on THIS team, he will most likely get worse. TD cant justify to ANYONE paying Drew 6 mil next year to play that poorly. ESPECIALLY when he just drafted a QB who he believes is our future and costs us ALOT less! I fully expect more stupid comments like, "why cant we win with Drew" as we beat more of these clown teams and continue our life support for the next few weeks. The truth is, early in the season, we DIDNT win with Drew, in fact, we got SPANKED by our division rivals! Guys, enjoy the good games, enjoy the last hopes that we have, but place some of the blame on why we are here in the first place on our severly over paid QB, Drew Bleed-slow! Id rather lose with a bright future, than win but not go to the playoffs with a fading past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Is there an echo in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 "The truth is, early in the season, we DIDNT win with Drew, in fact, we got SPANKED by our division rivals! " really?? Game #1 Jacksonville 13, Buffalo 10 Drew 17/26, 153 yards, 1TD and 0 int's - rating of 93.91 - fault in this game goes to defence letting one receiver beat 3 defenders ... Game #2 Oakland 13, Buffalo 10 ... this one was a screw job by the refs .. even they admit that Henry scored ... Drew 13/24. 198 yards, 1TD and 1 int - rating of 78 ... not great, average but sure not a reason they lost. Game #3 NE 31, Buffalo 17 (game I attended) ...Drew 18/30, 247 yards, 1TD and 1 INT rating of 83 ... score was 17-17 at the end of the 3rd quarter ... Buaffo stops them from scoring and holds them to a FG BUT this happens -1-BUF13 (12:25) A.Vinatieri 31 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-Jo.Miller. PENALTY on BUF-R.Baker, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at BUF 13 - No Play. 1-9-BUF9 (12:21) C.Dillon left guard to BUF 2 for 7 yards (N.Clements). 2-2-BUF2 (11:24) T.Brady pass to D.Graham for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught over middle in back of end zone. So they give up 7 instead of 3 ... which later meant they were lossing 24-17 and had to go for a TD instead of a FG to tie ... which lead to this series 1-10-BUF19 (7:57) T.Henry right end pushed ob at BUF 21 for 2 yards (T.Poole). 2-8-BUF21 (7:28) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 20 for -1 yards (V.Wilfork). PENALTY on NE-T.Warren, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 20. 1-10-BUF35 (6:56) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Vrabel). Screen pass batted at line. 2-10-BUF35 (6:49) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Henry to BUF 45 for 10 yards (M.Vrabel). Screen pass over middle, caught at BUF 32. 1-10-BUF45 (6:06) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 35 for 20 yards (E.Wilson). Caught over middle at NE 37. 1-10-NE35 (5:29) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 30 for 5 yards (T.Law). Caught at NE 30, right flat. 2-5-NE30 (4:53) T.Henry right guard to NE 24 for 6 yards (R.Harrison). 1-10-NE24 (4:13) T.Henry right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (T.Johnson). 2-8-NE22 (3:30) D.Bledsoe pass to R.Neufeld pushed ob at NE 16 for 6 yards (T.Poole). Caught at NE 20, left side. 3-2-NE16 (3:24) T.Henry right guard to NE 17 for -1 yards (T.Warren). 4-3-NE17 (2:59) D.Bledsoe sacked at NE 27 for -10 yards (T.Bruschi). FUMBLES (T.Bruschi), RECOVERED by NE-R.Seymour at NE 32. R.Seymour for 68 yards, TOUCHDOWN. So from the NE17 they had to run instead of try a 34 yard FG ... Drew was 4/5 for 41 yards ... and the fumble was the result of about 3 screwups ... So what had been I tight game ended up being a tough lose Game #4 Jets 16 Buffalo 14 - Drew 16/29, 197 yards, 2TDs and 1 int - rating of 84 - Buffalo is leading 14-13 with 6 minutes to go ... Defence lets Jets go 60 yards in 5 minutes and gives up winning FG - Pennington is 7/8 for 51 yards ... So lets see in the fours loses Drew is 64/109 for 795 yards, 5 TD's and 3 INT's for a rating of 85.2 So I guess YOU are right ... they GOT spanked because of Drew ... except thats totally untrue ... but then again why let the facts get in the way !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneida Lake Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 "The truth is, early in the season, we DIDNT win with Drew, in fact, we got SPANKED by our division rivals! " really?? Game #1 Jacksonville 13, Buffalo 10 Drew 17/26, 153 yards, 1TD and 0 int's - rating of 93.91 - fault in this game goes to defence letting one receiver beat 3 defenders ... Game #2 Oakland 13, Buffalo 10 ... this one was a screw job by the refs .. even they admit that Henry scored ... Drew 13/24. 198 yards, 1TD and 1 int - rating of 78 ... not great, average but sure not a reason they lost. Game #3 NE 31, Buffalo 17 (game I attended) ...Drew 18/30, 247 yards, 1TD and 1 INT rating of 83 ... score was 17-17 at the end of the 3rd quarter ... Buaffo stops them from scoring and holds them to a FG BUT this happens -1-BUF13 (12:25) A.Vinatieri 31 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-Jo.Miller. PENALTY on BUF-R.Baker, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at BUF 13 - No Play. 1-9-BUF9 (12:21) C.Dillon left guard to BUF 2 for 7 yards (N.Clements). 2-2-BUF2 (11:24) T.Brady pass to D.Graham for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught over middle in back of end zone. So they give up 7 instead of 3 ... which later meant they were lossing 24-17 and had to go for a TD instead of a FG to tie ... which lead to this series 1-10-BUF19 (7:57) T.Henry right end pushed ob at BUF 21 for 2 yards (T.Poole). 2-8-BUF21 (7:28) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 20 for -1 yards (V.Wilfork). PENALTY on NE-T.Warren, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 20. 1-10-BUF35 (6:56) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Vrabel). Screen pass batted at line. 2-10-BUF35 (6:49) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Henry to BUF 45 for 10 yards (M.Vrabel). Screen pass over middle, caught at BUF 32. 1-10-BUF45 (6:06) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 35 for 20 yards (E.Wilson). Caught over middle at NE 37. 1-10-NE35 (5:29) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 30 for 5 yards (T.Law). Caught at NE 30, right flat. 2-5-NE30 (4:53) T.Henry right guard to NE 24 for 6 yards (R.Harrison). 1-10-NE24 (4:13) T.Henry right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (T.Johnson). 2-8-NE22 (3:30) D.Bledsoe pass to R.Neufeld pushed ob at NE 16 for 6 yards (T.Poole). Caught at NE 20, left side. 3-2-NE16 (3:24) T.Henry right guard to NE 17 for -1 yards (T.Warren). 4-3-NE17 (2:59) D.Bledsoe sacked at NE 27 for -10 yards (T.Bruschi). FUMBLES (T.Bruschi), RECOVERED by NE-R.Seymour at NE 32. R.Seymour for 68 yards, TOUCHDOWN. So from the NE17 they had to run instead of try a 34 yard FG ... Drew was 4/5 for 41 yards ... and the fumble was the result of about 3 screwups ... So what had been I tight game ended up being a tough lose Game #4 Jets 16 Buffalo 14 - Drew 16/29, 197 yards, 2TDs and 1 int - rating of 84 - Buffalo is leading 14-13 with 6 minutes to go ... Defence lets Jets go 60 yards in 5 minutes and gives up winning FG - Pennington is 7/8 for 51 yards ... So lets see in the fours loses Drew is 64/109 for 795 yards, 5 TD's and 3 INT's for a rating of 85.2 So I guess YOU are right ... they GOT spanked because of Drew ... except thats totally untrue ... but then again why let the facts get in the way !!! 146176[/snapback] TD: Great homework. Jp lovers will never admit the early season screwups, and have a one track narrow mind. In an effort to get their guy in they've begged for injuries to Bledsoe and distorted facts while ignoring the efforts about other issues/situations. They're going to get the JV Loserman era soon enough. My guess is we'll be more than a little disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 I do LIKE JP also .. but people expect to much of rookie's .. look at Giants - manning WILL be great but they have shoot themselves switching ... rookies sit first year at QB ... more so than any position !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP-era Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 "The truth is, early in the season, we DIDNT win with Drew, in fact, we got SPANKED by our division rivals! " really?? Game #1 Jacksonville 13, Buffalo 10 Drew 17/26, 153 yards, 1TD and 0 int's - rating of 93.91 - fault in this game goes to defence letting one receiver beat 3 defenders ... Game #2 Oakland 13, Buffalo 10 ... this one was a screw job by the refs .. even they admit that Henry scored ... Drew 13/24. 198 yards, 1TD and 1 int - rating of 78 ... not great, average but sure not a reason they lost. Game #3 NE 31, Buffalo 17 (game I attended) ...Drew 18/30, 247 yards, 1TD and 1 INT rating of 83 ... score was 17-17 at the end of the 3rd quarter ... Buaffo stops them from scoring and holds them to a FG BUT this happens -1-BUF13 (12:25) A.Vinatieri 31 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-Jo.Miller. PENALTY on BUF-R.Baker, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at BUF 13 - No Play. 1-9-BUF9 (12:21) C.Dillon left guard to BUF 2 for 7 yards (N.Clements). 2-2-BUF2 (11:24) T.Brady pass to D.Graham for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught over middle in back of end zone. So they give up 7 instead of 3 ... which later meant they were lossing 24-17 and had to go for a TD instead of a FG to tie ... which lead to this series 1-10-BUF19 (7:57) T.Henry right end pushed ob at BUF 21 for 2 yards (T.Poole). 2-8-BUF21 (7:28) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 20 for -1 yards (V.Wilfork). PENALTY on NE-T.Warren, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 20. 1-10-BUF35 (6:56) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Vrabel). Screen pass batted at line. 2-10-BUF35 (6:49) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Henry to BUF 45 for 10 yards (M.Vrabel). Screen pass over middle, caught at BUF 32. 1-10-BUF45 (6:06) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 35 for 20 yards (E.Wilson). Caught over middle at NE 37. 1-10-NE35 (5:29) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 30 for 5 yards (T.Law). Caught at NE 30, right flat. 2-5-NE30 (4:53) T.Henry right guard to NE 24 for 6 yards (R.Harrison). 1-10-NE24 (4:13) T.Henry right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (T.Johnson). 2-8-NE22 (3:30) D.Bledsoe pass to R.Neufeld pushed ob at NE 16 for 6 yards (T.Poole). Caught at NE 20, left side. 3-2-NE16 (3:24) T.Henry right guard to NE 17 for -1 yards (T.Warren). 4-3-NE17 (2:59) D.Bledsoe sacked at NE 27 for -10 yards (T.Bruschi). FUMBLES (T.Bruschi), RECOVERED by NE-R.Seymour at NE 32. R.Seymour for 68 yards, TOUCHDOWN. So from the NE17 they had to run instead of try a 34 yard FG ... Drew was 4/5 for 41 yards ... and the fumble was the result of about 3 screwups ... So what had been I tight game ended up being a tough lose Game #4 Jets 16 Buffalo 14 - Drew 16/29, 197 yards, 2TDs and 1 int - rating of 84 - Buffalo is leading 14-13 with 6 minutes to go ... Defence lets Jets go 60 yards in 5 minutes and gives up winning FG - Pennington is 7/8 for 51 yards ... So lets see in the fours loses Drew is 64/109 for 795 yards, 5 TD's and 3 INT's for a rating of 85.2 So I guess YOU are right ... they GOT spanked because of Drew ... except thats totally untrue ... but then again why let the facts get in the way !!! 146176[/snapback] Lets set the record straight with the stats you left out: Jax game: Drew was 65% cmptl, 1 TD, 1 sack, 1 fumble. Total yards is 153. I would by NO means call that a good game! Oak: Drew was 54% comptl, 1 TD, 1 INT, 6 sacks, Total yards is 198. Passing yards is getting a little more like it but 6 sacks, only 1 td and 1 int? Again not a good game. NE: Drew was 60% cmplt, 1 TD, 1 INT, 7 sacks, 1 FUMBLE, Total yards is 247. Total yards is decent but 7 sacks? again as many TD's as ints? you cant win with that! Thats just the first three games. How many of those sacks does JP get out of with his legs? Should we expect one INT per game from JP, probably so youre not "winning" with Drew there. Can JP manage to average less that 200 yards through the air and 1 TD in those games? probably. Still waiting for the arguement that Drew should be our starting QB. Looks to me that chances are good we add another dimension to our O, get about the same yards/gm, ints/gm, and tds/gm with JP. JP, though cuts that sack total in half most likely and BTW may not have coughed up that critical fumble for a TD against NE! I see him running away from Seymour and getting the rest of the downs to try to score points! How quickly we forget that we play NE twice and the absolutely OWN Drew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP-era Posted December 5, 2004 Author Share Posted December 5, 2004 "The truth is, early in the season, we DIDNT win with Drew, in fact, we got SPANKED by our division rivals! " really?? Game #1 Jacksonville 13, Buffalo 10 Drew 17/26, 153 yards, 1TD and 0 int's - rating of 93.91 - fault in this game goes to defence letting one receiver beat 3 defenders ... Game #2 Oakland 13, Buffalo 10 ... this one was a screw job by the refs .. even they admit that Henry scored ... Drew 13/24. 198 yards, 1TD and 1 int - rating of 78 ... not great, average but sure not a reason they lost. Game #3 NE 31, Buffalo 17 (game I attended) ...Drew 18/30, 247 yards, 1TD and 1 INT rating of 83 ... score was 17-17 at the end of the 3rd quarter ... Buaffo stops them from scoring and holds them to a FG BUT this happens -1-BUF13 (12:25) A.Vinatieri 31 yard field goal is GOOD, NULLIFIED by Penalty, Center-L.Paxton, Holder-Jo.Miller. PENALTY on BUF-R.Baker, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at BUF 13 - No Play. 1-9-BUF9 (12:21) C.Dillon left guard to BUF 2 for 7 yards (N.Clements). 2-2-BUF2 (11:24) T.Brady pass to D.Graham for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Caught over middle in back of end zone. So they give up 7 instead of 3 ... which later meant they were lossing 24-17 and had to go for a TD instead of a FG to tie ... which lead to this series 1-10-BUF19 (7:57) T.Henry right end pushed ob at BUF 21 for 2 yards (T.Poole). 2-8-BUF21 (7:28) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 20 for -1 yards (V.Wilfork). PENALTY on NE-T.Warren, Personal Foul, 15 yards, enforced at BUF 20. 1-10-BUF35 (6:56) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete to E.Moulds (M.Vrabel). Screen pass batted at line. 2-10-BUF35 (6:49) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Henry to BUF 45 for 10 yards (M.Vrabel). Screen pass over middle, caught at BUF 32. 1-10-BUF45 (6:06) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 35 for 20 yards (E.Wilson). Caught over middle at NE 37. 1-10-NE35 (5:29) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to NE 30 for 5 yards (T.Law). Caught at NE 30, right flat. 2-5-NE30 (4:53) T.Henry right guard to NE 24 for 6 yards (R.Harrison). 1-10-NE24 (4:13) T.Henry right guard to NE 22 for 2 yards (T.Johnson). 2-8-NE22 (3:30) D.Bledsoe pass to R.Neufeld pushed ob at NE 16 for 6 yards (T.Poole). Caught at NE 20, left side. 3-2-NE16 (3:24) T.Henry right guard to NE 17 for -1 yards (T.Warren). 4-3-NE17 (2:59) D.Bledsoe sacked at NE 27 for -10 yards (T.Bruschi). FUMBLES (T.Bruschi), RECOVERED by NE-R.Seymour at NE 32. R.Seymour for 68 yards, TOUCHDOWN. So from the NE17 they had to run instead of try a 34 yard FG ... Drew was 4/5 for 41 yards ... and the fumble was the result of about 3 screwups ... So what had been I tight game ended up being a tough lose Game #4 Jets 16 Buffalo 14 - Drew 16/29, 197 yards, 2TDs and 1 int - rating of 84 - Buffalo is leading 14-13 with 6 minutes to go ... Defence lets Jets go 60 yards in 5 minutes and gives up winning FG - Pennington is 7/8 for 51 yards ... So lets see in the fours loses Drew is 64/109 for 795 yards, 5 TD's and 3 INT's for a rating of 85.2 So I guess YOU are right ... they GOT spanked because of Drew ... except thats totally untrue ... but then again why let the facts get in the way !!! 146176[/snapback] BTW, I never said that it was ALL Drews fault, but if you think he deserves NONE of it, or that we are going to EVER go to the playoffs with THAT type of production at the QB spot, you are smoking serious amounts of Stadiumwall! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Guys, the facts are all there. 146163[/snapback] "A house divided cannot stand". I am as excited about JP Losman as everyone else, but.....in due time. It's just not JP time yet. GO BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartshan-83 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 It's a good thing you have those Lions to root for! Ya know, since we suck so bad and they are heading towards greatness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 "A house divided cannot stand". I am as excited about JP Losman as everyone else, but.....in due time. It's just not JP time yet. GO BILLS !! 146276[/snapback] Thank you, cablelady! A voice of reason! Whoever is calling for Drew to screw up this year or get injured... :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: :I starred in Brokeback Mountain: And Oneida Lake, "JV Loserman?" Come on. Will you be rooting against him like the people you hate who are rooting against Drew? Two wrongs don't make a right, assclown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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