Rob's House Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 As neither a birther nor truther, I don't get too caught up in those debates but for entirely different reasons. In the case of truthers I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that the government (presumably "bi-partisan") conspired to destroy the country's financial hub in such dramatic fashion, hid the would be passengers of those planes, invented a detailed list of highjackers who appear to have been real people who are no more, made Al Queada and Afghanistan the patsy, convinced Bin Ladin and crew to take responsiblility, all so they could first invade Afghanistan as a smoke screen to achieve the ultimate goal of invading Iraq using a tenuous connection to 9/11 all to settle a family vendetta and save a few bucks on oil. And they got away with it all. Sorry, it sounds !@#$ing stupid. With the birthers, I don't see any good out of proving Obama wasn't born in the country. He's already the President, do we really want Biden to step in anyway, and how's that going to effect race relations? If we knew for sure he was born in Kenya then yes, oust him, but we don't so let it go. My biggest problem is drawing an equivalence between the two. Subscribing to the scenario I first described is retarded. I'm not sure being sceptical of whether or not Obama's fibbing about his birthplace quite fits the same catagory. Admittedly I haven't followed this story, because I don't give a ****, but is there any reason to believe with total certainty that Obama is American born, or is it just one of those "Come on, man" kind of things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 As neither a birther nor truther, I don't get too caught up in those debates but for entirely different reasons. In the case of truthers I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that the government (presumably "bi-partisan") conspired to destroy the country's financial hub in such dramatic fashion, hid the would be passengers of those planes, invented a detailed list of highjackers who appear to have been real people who are no more, made Al Queada and Afghanistan the patsy, convinced Bin Ladin and crew to take responsiblility, all so they could first invade Afghanistan as a smoke screen to achieve the ultimate goal of invading Iraq using a tenuous connection to 9/11 all to settle a family vendetta and save a few bucks on oil. And they got away with it all. Sorry, it sounds !@#$ing stupid. With the birthers, I don't see any good out of proving Obama wasn't born in the country. He's already the President, do we really want Biden to step in anyway, and how's that going to effect race relations? If we knew for sure he was born in Kenya then yes, oust him, but we don't so let it go. My biggest problem is drawing an equivalence between the two. Subscribing to the scenario I first described is retarded. I'm not sure being sceptical of whether or not Obama's fibbing about his birthplace quite fits the same catagory. Admittedly I haven't followed this story, because I don't give a ****, but is there any reason to believe with total certainty that Obama is American born, or is it just one of those "Come on, man" kind of things? Yes, his birth was published in two Hawaiian newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Yes, his birth was published in two Hawaiian newspapers. It doesn't !@#$ing matter. He's a natural-born US citizen, no matter WHERE he was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 It doesn't !@#$ing matter. He's a natural-born US citizen, no matter WHERE he was born. Yes, I know, but your argument starts that whole bit about how his mother wasn't old enough. Which is also false, so I try to cut to the chase, there is no way it is believable they faked his birth and planted stories in the newspaper. Just not credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Yes, I know, but your argument starts that whole bit about how his mother wasn't old enough. Which is also false, so I try to cut to the chase, there is no way it is believable they faked his birth and planted stories in the newspaper. Just not credible. I guess you've never watched the Manchurian Candidate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I guess you've never watched the Manchurian Candidate? Which is, of course, a primary source. According to Dave_in_Norfolk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 I guess you've never watched the Manchurian Candidate? So you want to claim it was a far reaching conspiracy starting back in 61? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 This conversation of where Obama was born is ridiculous because anyone in the know knows that Obama is the clone of Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten and was never born just created by science and a occult ritual called the Babylon working- geezz I wish people on this board would get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 16, 2010 Author Share Posted August 16, 2010 Yes, his birth was published in two Hawaiian newspapers. Sorry bub, you have been refuted. http://www.globemagazine.com/story/538 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 Sorry bub, you have been refuted. http://www.globemagazine.com/story/538 Well, that's bull ****. Everyone knows Obama's a hybrid tool of the Repto-Sapiens, as explained in the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I heard some political wonk once explain why the birther stuff is wrong: "...because if Hillary couldn't prove it, no one will." I don't doubt this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 If you want to hear all about the Truther's viewpoint, just ask Connor about WTC7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 just ask Connor about WTC7. Please don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 So you want to claim it was a far reaching conspiracy starting back in 61? People wouldn't care if he were governing well. He isn't, so everything is questioned. The thought of waiting to 2013 or OMFG 2017 to be rid of him is painful. We need a way to end the nightmare sooner. Space alien kidnappers might be our only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2010 Share Posted August 16, 2010 I don't really give a flying frack about where that empty suit is from. I just care about minimizing the damage from his misguided policies home and abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I just don't understand why this is so secretive ? what happened to the most transparent administration in history? seriously... you can't even produce a birth certificate.. an increadibly basic document but one that is essential to become president... the whole thing just seems very shady to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I just don't understand why this is so secretive ? what happened to the most transparent administration in history? seriously... you can't even produce a birth certificate.. an increadibly basic document but one that is essential to become president... the whole thing just seems very shady to me. That is what you got out of this thread? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 seriously... you can't even produce a birth certificate.. an increadibly basic document but one that is essential to become president... Aside from the fact that it's COMPLETELY !@#$ING IRRELEVENT and not essential to become president... They did produce it. The birthers said "Produce a certified copy." So the State of Hawaii did. And the birthers said "That's faked. Show us the original." So they did. And the birthers said "That's faked..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 As neither a birther nor truther, I don't get too caught up in those debates but for entirely different reasons. In the case of truthers I just can't wrap my mind around the idea that the government (presumably "bi-partisan") conspired to destroy the country's financial hub in such dramatic fashion, hid the would be passengers of those planes, invented a detailed list of highjackers who appear to have been real people who are no more, made Al Queada and Afghanistan the patsy, convinced Bin Ladin and crew to take responsiblility, all so they could first invade Afghanistan as a smoke screen to achieve the ultimate goal of invading Iraq using a tenuous connection to 9/11 all to settle a family vendetta and save a few bucks on oil. And they got away with it all. Sorry, it sounds !@#$ing stupid. With the birthers, I don't see any good out of proving Obama wasn't born in the country. He's already the President, do we really want Biden to step in anyway, and how's that going to effect race relations? If we knew for sure he was born in Kenya then yes, oust him, but we don't so let it go. My biggest problem is drawing an equivalence between the two. Subscribing to the scenario I first described is retarded. I'm not sure being sceptical of whether or not Obama's fibbing about his birthplace quite fits the same catagory. Admittedly I haven't followed this story, because I don't give a ****, but is there any reason to believe with total certainty that Obama is American born, or is it just one of those "Come on, man" kind of things? The biggest difference is the size of the two movements. The birthers are a huge chunk of the Republican party, whereas the so-called truthers are a lot smaller and not really affiliated with either party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 The birthers are a huge chunk of the Republican party Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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