Aaron Maybin

[mpl6876]

Well, then Maybin made the right choice. It just can't believe people are on the kid so much, especially after he made a few nice plays (I don't care who they were against).

 

And say he does just develop into a pass rush specialist that gets 7+ sacks a year. Is that such a bad thing?

 

Where did 7 sacks a year come from. I see no evidence of that happening any time soon. I am waiting for sack number 1. I think you have no pertinent evidence to sugggest a 7+ sacks a year player. Purely, an opitimistic viewpoint with no reliable evidence to back up such a statement.

 

(ie) Lets give Trent some time to develop under Gailey. He might throw for five 300+ yards and have a 15 + TD passes a year. Is that such a bad thing?

 

Come on Biscuit you are smarter than that and so are we....

[Hplarrm]

Do you realize if you are right then we ought to fire Dick Jauron and to boot totally do a virtually complete changeover in the General Management leadership and bring new different perspectives into the leadershio mix at OBD!

 

Oh wait,, I guess we have seen action on the key points of this post already.

 

Perhaps we are ready to stop rearranging the deck chairs on drafts already been done and instead focus on how we get better with what we got.

 

Certainly those who do not remember the past are destined to repeat it. Analysis on issues like how good are Penn St draftees is really relevant at some other time. However for right here and right now those who choose to live in the past are destined to fail in the future.

 

I think the two choices are you either bench Maybin if you have decided (at least a year and actually probably two) that he is a bust. Otherwise you play him until he drops in crash course to get better or croak trying if you think there is any possibility to train him up.

 

The key point is whether you want to play his butt off or prematurely evaluate him and cut him loose.

 

And that is another good point: coming out of Penn State it was widely known that Maybin was somewhat of a raw prospect.

 

I know he's young. And as already mentioned, the rest of his draft class is mostly taking time to develop as well.

 

But somebody on here called his play spastic, and I would have to agree. He puts himself out of position. If he's busting his butt to put himself out of position, what good is that effort?

 

My gripe is that at this stage of the game, he should have learned SOMEthing. He looks worse than a rookie. He looks every bit as raw and undeveloped as one would when they step on a college football field for the first time. The only issue is, he was drafted #1, held out and was awarded big bucks for it. To date, we have seen nothing other than a quick initial burst.

 

For the money he is being paid- at this point- IMO he is a bust. Does that mean he can't improve? No. Does that mean that one day, he may become a Pro Bowl talent? No. But for all of the money he is making, for his idiotic website, haircut, and attitude, the Bills certainly deserve more than they are getting.

 

And I agree that not only Jauron (who was rumored as having pushed this pick) is responsible, but Modrak should have been able to talk some sense into us taking a player like Orakpo or Oher over such an unproven, raw prospect such as Maybin.

[Gabe Northern]

You mean he's bigger than a player from 20 years ago?

 

 

I don't think Maybin weighs more than 241 pounds.

 

He and Vernon Davis are both listed at 250 (Maybin is 6'4", Davis is 6'3").

 

Have you seen the pictures of them in Puerto Rico? If Maybin is 250 lbs, Davis must be 275. At least.

 

Assuming Davis' actual weight is roughly the same as listed, I'd guess Maybin weighs somewhere in the 225-235 range.

[Red]

Do you realize if you are right then we ought to fire Dick Jauron and to boot totally do a virtually complete changeover in the General Management leadership and bring new different perspectives into the leadershio mix at OBD!

 

Oh wait,, I guess we have seen action on the key points of this post already.

 

Perhaps we are ready to stop rearranging the deck chairs on drafts already been done and instead focus on how we get better with what we got.

 

Certainly those who do not remember the past are destined to repeat it. Analysis on issues like how good are Penn St draftees is really relevant at some other time. However for right here and right now those who choose to live in the past are destined to fail in the future.

 

I think the two choices are you either bench Maybin if you have decided (at least a year and actually probably two) that he is a bust. Otherwise you play him until he drops in crash course to get better or croak trying if you think there is any possibility to train him up.

 

The key point is whether you want to play his butt off or prematurely evaluate him and cut him loose.

 

Whatever.

 

In order to understand where you want to go, you have to know where you are. Assessing the roster of all of its dead weight is part of the process of transition. This is Maybin's 2nd year. He was a reach coming out of Penn State because he had 1 good season (his last). When you look at the roster to try and gain an understanding of why we are as bad as we are, Jauron was heavily rumored as being the deciding factor in pushing for us to draft Maybin. He was a high draft pick, and held out for mucho dineros. At this point, it looks like a waste.

 

Last time I checked, Jauron is gone but his royal boner-ness, the one responsible for the past decade of horrible drafting- Mr. Tom Modrak- is STILL employed at OBD, er...I mean Jacksonville, FL. We finally dumped John Guy. Can we finally lose Modrak?

 

Now, to rewind this all started for me by seeing Maybin being owned by a fellow #1 pick, but a ROOKIE LT on Friday night. OWNED. Then I watched as 2nd string RB's and FB's came in and took their turns OWNING Maybin. Heck, he couldn't even get past the 'Skins 2nd unit LT. It wasn't until the 3rd and 4th tier players came in that Maybin tried his "counter" move, and got that sack. My concern is that after 2 seasons now, he is supposed to have learned something. He should be showing that in some way, he deserves to be in the NFL. Remember, he is not even the starter for us. Watching him on Friday, his technique is terrible. He leans way too much, and loses any kind of leverage great pass rushers need. He has no counter. He has great initial burst, but then it goes for naught as he hits a wall in an opposing lineman.

 

It was a mistake to have wasted such a high pick on him when need players like Oher and Orakpo were available. Is that crying over spilled milk? Perhaps. But after 10 years of beating your head against a wall over bonehead picks, it can get kinda frustrating.

 

Can he develop? I hope so. I want him to be a dominant pass rusher. I'm frustrated because all the Bills have done this decade is strike out on 1st round picks. Big time. 1st round picks are supposed to be players ready to step in and play; to give the franchise a boost at a particular position. To IMPROVE the team. 1st round picks are not supposed to be projects.

[gobillsinytown]

Sure, Deano, he's quick, but he's playing way WAY too light. How much of that quickness does he maintain when finally gets up to a reasonable playing weight?

 

I dont' think that's the issue so much as experience and field presence. Plenty of linebackers can play at his weight, the Bills have had a few good ones play at that size over the years. At the NFL level it really is a mental game, so I think it's whether Aaron is smart enough to play linebacker at this level.

[The Big Cat]

I dont' think that's the issue so much as experience and field presence. Plenty of linebackers can play at his weight, the Bills have had a few good ones play at that size over the years. At the NFL level it really is a mental game, so I think it's whether Aaron is smart enough to play linebacker at this level.

 

Are you going by the weight at which he's listed? Or how he looks? I didn't want to argue throghout this thread that his listed weight is false...but Ive got a hard time buying the fact that he's clocking 241. The dude LOOKS tiny.

[stinky finger]

I hope I'm wrong, but this guy has 'bust' written all over him.

In the spirit of accuracy, he has "BUS" wriiten all over him.

 

He's much too small to fit the "T".

 

BTW, I hope you're wrong too. I hope the kid gets it soon. And for crissakes, Aaron, have a pattymelt!

[T master]

The guy we should have took at that pick was on the other side of the field , and last year he was a man possessed !!!

 

Didn't like the pick and not to high on the person !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU SAY BUST !!!!!

[Bob in STL]

Here is Lawrence Taylor's height and playing weight:

 

Full Name: Lawrence Taylor

(L.T.)

 

Position: LB

Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 241

 

This means that Maybin is the larger player.

 

 

He might be taller or weigh more but he will NEVER be the larger player.

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

Here's the thing I noticed about Maybin last night, he plays very spastically. What I mean is that is moves aren't calculated and he tends to run around the field like an ADD 12 year old who just had too much Mountain Dew. There is NO doubt that the kid has incredible speed and burst but he just needs to calm the hell down and play football. He reminds me of the kids I coach in basketball. They're great in practice and running drills but as soon as the game starts they loose their minds and feel like they have to do everything at double speed.

 

I will agree that he hasn't lived up to his draft spot but their clearly is talent in that skinny frame. He needs playing time and 30 more pounds. The potential is there, whether or not it's ever reached is anyone's guess.

 

One thing I don't understand though; the Bills have switched to a 3-4 yet on every play I see Maybin down in a 3-point stance lined up in the DE position. The kid needs room to run and room to hit gaps, wtf is he doing in a DE spot???

I agree about roaming and starting off the line. I see the kid at times in a 4 point stance, not even a 3 point one usually. Lawrence Taylor was built like this kid and had freedom to raom. Why not try the same thing with Maybin?

[justnzane]

Holy cow there are some idiot crazies in here. You guys are jumping a kid who is a 2nd year player and calling him a bust. Really?

 

If you guys opened your eyes and saw any of the practices at SJF or watched the game itself, you'd realize that he is coming along. He did get pressure on McNabb and Gross Rexman. Unfortunately, the NFL is so overprotective of its QB's that Maybin got a 15 yard flag for grazing McNabb's helmet. In practice, he is beating the LT's on the edge (which I know the LT's on the Bills aren't the second coming on Anthony Munoz).

 

My whole STFU, and allow the kid a chance to develop before you develop a negative opinion of him

[KD in CA]

Here is Lawrence Taylor's height and playing weight:

 

Full Name: Lawrence Taylor

(L.T.)

 

Position: LB

Height: 6' 3'' Weight: 241

 

This means that Maybin is the larger player.

If you were trying to say Maybin is undersized, you succeeded by comparing him to a guy who played 25 years ago when there was exactly ONE player in the league who weighed 300 pounds.

 

 

 

Assuming Davis' actual weight is roughly the same as listed, I'd guess Maybin weighs somewhere in the 225-235 range.

Makes sense. There's no way Maybin has ever been near 250.

[Hplarrm]

Does it matter that Maybin is not meeting someone's expectation of what a 1st round choice should do?

 

Yeah it matters a a lot if one is evaluating the draft pickers and the regimes approach to drafting. However, since Jauron is canned and there is a whole new game in town in terms of how the team is being schemed and built the selection of Maybin is not much of an issue as Jauron is gone and the structure has changed.

 

The issue which does make a difference is that like it or not Maybin is a Bill right now how do you make him the best Bill he can be is the issue of concern.

 

He has some fairly clear deficits in terms of him switching to a new position, questions as to whether he is big enough, questions as to whether he will maintain his speed as he puts on more tonnage, technique issues, etc.

 

Its great to read conversation about how to improve these issues, but most of the answers to these questions are going to be found in reality over time and not in silly theorizing which may not apply to reality.

 

Has he not developed as fast as other #9 picks? Quite frankly this comparison really matters little (perhaps it matters in evaluating the now fired Jauron but why would anyone want to waste their time going in depth on this?)

 

I think this whole focus on whether he has developed like a 1st rounder should is actually fairly silly as it is generally a smart consensus that a player cannot be intelligently evaluated until he puts in 3 seasons. Too many good players are unproductive for a variety of reasons their first, second and sometime even their 3rd season before they hit their stride. Also frustrating is that there are also one year wonders who have a great start but then due to injury, opponents figuring out their game or them getting a swelled head and going off the deep end, the 3 year thought is a good one.

 

Does this mean you do not evaluate until the 4th year?

 

Nope, a smart team evaluates constantly. It simply means it is pretty dumb to make any galactic conclusions or take difficult to reverse steps based on that evaluation until you see how it plays out for a couple of years.

 

Maybin has worked out to be a poor choice so far (well duhh). The question is whether Bills fans should spend their time wringing their hands about the fired failure that picked him or spend a lot of thought on some pretend woulda coulda shoulds of who we could have had, or alternately what are worthwhile thoughts for dealing with the reality we got.

 

I think that Gailey has this just right that you put the boy through his paces in these meaningless games so that he either learns fast how to use the good things he's got, learns fast what he needs to improve, or we learn fast that he is another Mike Williams, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith or whatever.

 

Play him a lot, play him hard and let reality guide us. The musings about the mistakes of the old regime, the dumb notion that we should make a decision right now to give up on a 1st round investment at the start of his second year, and the fantasy that 1st round players must contribute immediately (my more detailed examination of the real world results of a class year considered pretty talented was that it was little more than a 50/50 proposition that a player drafted in the 1st round was even a starter after a full season points to the reasonable course with Maybin being to stay the course.

 

Whatever.

 

In order to understand where you want to go, you have to know where you are. Assessing the roster of all of its dead weight is part of the process of transition. This is Maybin's 2nd year. He was a reach coming out of Penn State because he had 1 good season (his last). When you look at the roster to try and gain an understanding of why we are as bad as we are, Jauron was heavily rumored as being the deciding factor in pushing for us to draft Maybin. He was a high draft pick, and held out for mucho dineros. At this point, it looks like a waste.

 

Last time I checked, Jauron is gone but his royal boner-ness, the one responsible for the past decade of horrible drafting- Mr. Tom Modrak- is STILL employed at OBD, er...I mean Jacksonville, FL. We finally dumped John Guy. Can we finally lose Modrak?

 

Now, to rewind this all started for me by seeing Maybin being owned by a fellow #1 pick, but a ROOKIE LT on Friday night. OWNED. Then I watched as 2nd string RB's and FB's came in and took their turns OWNING Maybin. Heck, he couldn't even get past the 'Skins 2nd unit LT. It wasn't until the 3rd and 4th tier players came in that Maybin tried his "counter" move, and got that sack. My concern is that after 2 seasons now, he is supposed to have learned something. He should be showing that in some way, he deserves to be in the NFL. Remember, he is not even the starter for us. Watching him on Friday, his technique is terrible. He leans way too much, and loses any kind of leverage great pass rushers need. He has no counter. He has great initial burst, but then it goes for naught as he hits a wall in an opposing lineman.

 

It was a mistake to have wasted such a high pick on him when need players like Oher and Orakpo were available. Is that crying over spilled milk? Perhaps. But after 10 years of beating your head against a wall over bonehead picks, it can get kinda frustrating.

 

Can he develop? I hope so. I want him to be a dominant pass rusher. I'm frustrated because all the Bills have done this decade is strike out on 1st round picks. Big time. 1st round picks are supposed to be players ready to step in and play; to give the franchise a boost at a particular position. To IMPROVE the team. 1st round picks are not supposed to be projects.

[The Big Cat]

Play him a lot, play him hard and let reality guide us.

 

Amen.

[tennesseeboy]

Thd picture of LT Rookie number one pick Trent Williams manhandling our former one pick Maybin is worth a thousand words, and tells us something

It is good to draft a quality left tackle.

 

Maybin is a bust.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Does it matter that Maybin is not meeting someone's expectation of what a 1st round choice should do?

 

Yeah it matters a a lot if one is evaluating the draft pickers and the regimes approach to drafting. However, since Jauron is canned and there is a whole new game in town in terms of how the team is being schemed and built the selection of Maybin is not much of an issue as Jauron is gone and the structure has changed.

 

The issue which does make a difference is that like it or not Maybin is a Bill right now how do you make him the best Bill he can be is the issue of concern.

 

He has some fairly clear deficits in terms of him switching to a new position, questions as to whether he is big enough, questions as to whether he will maintain his speed as he puts on more tonnage, technique issues, etc.

 

Its great to read conversation about how to improve these issues, but most of the answers to these questions are going to be found in reality over time and not in silly theorizing which may not apply to reality.

 

Has he not developed as fast as other #9 picks? Quite frankly this comparison really matters little (perhaps it matters in evaluating the now fired Jauron but why would anyone want to waste their time going in depth on this?)

 

I think this whole focus on whether he has developed like a 1st rounder should is actually fairly silly as it is generally a smart consensus that a player cannot be intelligently evaluated until he puts in 3 seasons. Too many good players are unproductive for a variety of reasons their first, second and sometime even their 3rd season before they hit their stride. Also frustrating is that there are also one year wonders who have a great start but then due to injury, opponents figuring out their game or them getting a swelled head and going off the deep end, the 3 year thought is a good one.

 

Does this mean you do not evaluate until the 4th year?

 

Nope, a smart team evaluates constantly. It simply means it is pretty dumb to make any galactic conclusions or take difficult to reverse steps based on that evaluation until you see how it plays out for a couple of years.

 

Maybin has worked out to be a poor choice so far (well duhh). The question is whether Bills fans should spend their time wringing their hands about the fired failure that picked him or spend a lot of thought on some pretend woulda coulda shoulds of who we could have had, or alternately what are worthwhile thoughts for dealing with the reality we got.

 

I think that Gailey has this just right that you put the boy through his paces in these meaningless games so that he either learns fast how to use the good things he's got, learns fast what he needs to improve, or we learn fast that he is another Mike Williams, Joey Harrington, Akili Smith or whatever.

 

Play him a lot, play him hard and let reality guide us. The musings about the mistakes of the old regime, the dumb notion that we should make a decision right now to give up on a 1st round investment at the start of his second year, and the fantasy that 1st round players must contribute immediately (my more detailed examination of the real world results of a class year considered pretty talented was that it was little more than a 50/50 proposition that a player drafted in the 1st round was even a starter after a full season points to the reasonable course with Maybin being to stay the course.

great post!

[Quester74]

At this point, who cares where he was picked? He didn't have a say in the matter and the people responsible for the pick are gone, why rehash it over and over? Right now all that matters is if he can help the team. He may be a bust for a 12th overall pick, but that doens't mean he can't learn the position and help us win some games, even if it's only on 3rd and long.

 

You're kidding, right? There are people still bitching about the whole Flutie/Johnson playoff ordeal, and you think folks aren't gonna complain about something that happened just last offseason? Don't get me wrong, I agree with ya, Faustus.. I just don't see it happening.