lets_go_bills Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...een-jets-revis/ He is the best corner in football but come on! Idiot Al Davis screwed up the market value for top-tier CBs. But Asomougha's deal isn't long term. Holding out for 10 years/$150/160mil is retarded. He's not even on my team and I'm annoyed by it and want it over with. Take the 10 years/$120mil. I wonder how much guaranteed he'll get.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...een-jets-revis/ He is the best corner in football but come on! Idiot Al Davis screwed up the market value for top-tier CBs. But Asomougha's deal isn't long term. Holding out for 10 years/$150/160mil is a retarded. He's not even on my team and I'm annoyed by it and want it over with. Take the 10 years/$120mil. I wonder how much guaranteed he'll get. i hope not much considering that once the salary market rises in a couple years, he'll be back to holding out. i guarantee, if he were to sign a 10 year deal, he'd be holding out again by year 4. the whole system is a mess.
DrDawkinstein Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Let him sit far as I'm concerned. agreed. at some point (and we're past it IMO), id say "ok man, you win, see you later" and just stop talks. im sick of players pulling this, no matter the team.
bills_fan Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 agreed. at some point (and we're past it IMO), id say "ok man, you win, see you later" and just stop talks. im sick of players pulling this, no matter the team. And I'm sick of owners cutting players without guaranteed contracts. The guarantee is all you got as a player. Leon Washington figured he'd come back on the one year deal instead of holding out, busted up his leg and will likely never get the contract. In football, I have no reservations about a player (especially a proven vet) holding out for as much guaranteed money as he can get. Most only have one shot at this. Get it while you can, cause you're likely to need it later in life to payy for medical expenses.
Jerry Jabber Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 The last ridiculous contract was Haynesworth's, now Revis is trying to get his. I hope he sits the whole year.
Coach Tuesday Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Well, you say "greed," but either Revis gets that money or the owner does...
Mr. WEO Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 i hope not much considering that once the salary market rises in a couple years, he'll be back to holding out. i guarantee, if he were to sign a 10 year deal, he'd be holding out again by year 4. the whole system is a mess. How is "the system" a mess? It's no different than any other contractual situation. A valued employee thinks he's worth more than he's getting paid. His employer disagrees and wants him to report to work under the conditions of his current, negotiated contract. He refuses and is willing to not work and not get paid. This is how it works. Anyway, if he was really offered that kind of contract and turned it down, he is either crazy or very poorly advised. There is no conceivable circumstance where anyone in the future would offer him more money after he has sat out a year.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 He's playing a game. Granted, he does it really well, but he's not even a QB for crying out loud! None of thes guys will ever get a bit of pity from me. Just like executives. They're free to make what they want, but the companies are retarded for paying some of them what they make.
Red Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 I could not agree more that the sheer volume of dollars being talked about here are grotesque (i.e.- from another dimension, uncanny, etc). No player is worth that, and the game cannot support those kind of salaries. No game can. But, that is kinda the point, ain't it? Reach the pros, and it's not about "the game" anymore. Its a profession. Kill or be killed. Laws of the jungle. Atleast that's from a players perspective (or so I've heard). I don't that there is anything wrong with making a living for yourself, and if your talent is so rare that you are the top in your profession that you should be paid according to what the market will allow. I also look at movie stars, and when they gross something like $20-30 million for 1 movie, 1 freakin' movie w/maybe 4 months of "work" and no threat to their life or health (like professional athletes), and I say more power to them. But at some level, with the rest of the world sinking in recessions, and riots, and protests, and devaluing of cash, lay-offs, etc...how is it that these major issues are not shown in the entertainment industry? Speaking of the bigger picture, are we all like the ostrich; just sticking our heads in the proverbial sand while being besieged with entertainment to deny the very stiff realities that we are finding ourselves more, and more faced with on a daily basis? I don't think greed is the correct judgement. I think, looking at the bigger picture, if you can't afford your rent or mortgage, you shouldn't be supporting Revis', either. If you can't pay your phone bill, you should not be buying "gear". If you can't put food on the table or are on welfare, owning a jersey should be the farthest thing from any realistic thought. After all, aren't we, the fans, the ones who give our dollars to this cause? Don't we support the market that builds the "pie" that players like Revis keep wanting to take a bigger piece out of? I used to have this old shop teacher in high school that used to say "every time you point the finger at somebody, there are 4 more pointing back at you". Instead of pointing the finger at Revis for wanting to be paid according to his ability, maybe you should ask why you keep supporting the very ability for him to even fathom the thought.
buffaloaggie Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...een-jets-revis/ He is the best corner in football but come on! Idiot Al Davis screwed up the market value for top-tier CBs. But Asomougha's deal isn't long term. Holding out for 10 years/$150/160mil is a retarded. He's not even on my team and I'm annoyed by it and want it over with. Take the 10 years/$120mil. I wonder how much guaranteed he'll get. It's all about Revis' ego now, and his pride. I agree that the terms of Asomougha's contract make it ridiculous for Revis to expect that over that long of a deal. If Revis can get over the $28.5 mil that Asomougha got in even a 5 year deal at $60 mil, I think he could declare victory. Revis and his agent have to realize that it's the Jets cap room that won't allow for more. As this draws on, Revis is looking like an a$$.
Red Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 He's playing a game. Granted, he does it really well, but he's not even a QB for crying out loud! None of thes guys will ever get a bit of pity from me. Just like executives. They're free to make what they want, but the companies are retarded for paying some of them what they make. Not to turn this into a discussion on the free market (key word: FREE), but why shouldn't someone make as much money as they can so long as they are not breaking laws to do it? Granted, I understand that the divide between the "have's" and the "have not's" is growing, but do we really want a communist system, whereby everyone gets a set amount of money- no matter their ability? I don't know what you do for work Joe. But if you were the best darn electrician at a company- head and shoulders above everyone else- shouldn't you be compensated better than some Schmoe who is always late, is terrible w/customers, barely knows his job, comes to work drunk, etc? And I am not speaking of somebody who is rich here (I don't know what I'd do if I was a millionaire- let alone a MULTI millionaire). But your hinting that executives are "fat cats" (Obamaspeak), and therefore worthy of scorn is a little on the socialist side. Doesn't a CEO deal with more than, say a janitor at an auto plant? Shouldn't you be compensated for your skill and ability, rather than just imprisoned by a restrictive system?
Mr. WEO Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 He's playing a game. Granted, he does it really well, but he's not even a QB for crying out loud! None of thes guys will ever get a bit of pity from me. Just like executives. They're free to make what they want, but the companies are retarded for paying some of them what they make. Top executives are paid to increase the value of the company. The vast majority of their pay is in stock/options. Therefore, their annual salary is tied directly and almost completely to the performance of their company, i.e.--their own performance. This is completely different from a top NFL CB, who can command a crazy large long term contract based on one good season, not on his current or future performance--or that of his team.
CosmicBills Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 And I'm sick of owners cutting players without guaranteed contracts. The guarantee is all you got as a player. Leon Washington figured he'd come back on the one year deal instead of holding out, busted up his leg and will likely never get the contract. In football, I have no reservations about a player (especially a proven vet) holding out for as much guaranteed money as he can get. Most only have one shot at this. Get it while you can, cause you're likely to need it later in life to payy for medical expenses. +1 Don't think the Washington situation isn't playing a role here. Jets players saw first hand how "loyal" the front office is. Not that they're any different than the rest of the owners. Washington was negotiating in good faith, got hurt, and never got his deal. Fug 'em. Why people side with billionaires over millionaires is crazy to me.
Thoner7 Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Well I think at A) Revis is reneging on his rookie contract which he held out for so I think he should lay in his bed which he made. BUT, If I am the Jets, why not give him a 4 year contract worth 50 million or something but give him 30 million this year because its uncapped? Get it out and off the books before this un capped year is gone. But I guess then what is to stop him from holding out next year right?
Captain Caveman Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Did you read the article, or just the headline? Because the article questions what the final number of any proposal is, and also makes the following veruy valid statement (without providing any answers): Even then, it's unclear whether Revis has asked for that much. In the end, however, the only important number on any 10-year contract is the amount of money that will be fully guaranteed once Revis signs him name to it. Seeing what happened to Leon Washington last year with the Jets, I don't blame Revis for holding out for more guaranteed money.
stuckincincy Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 And I'm sick of owners cutting players without guaranteed contracts. The guarantee is all you got as a player. Leon Washington figured he'd come back on the one year deal instead of holding out, busted up his leg and will likely never get the contract. In football, I have no reservations about a player (especially a proven vet) holding out for as much guaranteed money as he can get. Most only have one shot at this. Get it while you can, cause you're likely to need it later in life to payy for medical expenses. They spent their young years wanting to grab that big payout, and the fame. Many, when they cash in, start up a personal posse and bedeck themselves with bling. Don't you think that they somewhere along the line, learned the risks? Of course they did. NFL players aren't little sheep lost in the woods. The folks who watch the tv games, buy the stadium tickets, buy the trinkets are appreciated, but at the end of the day, it is they that fork over the $ that pays the big dollars to this eclectic crowd who took their jobs with eyes (and wallets) wide open. The players act for themselves, first and forever. How many of us work in a job that has a guaranteed contract? Has a minimum salary for even a few weeks of showing up? The CIN acquisition, wr Antonio Bryant, will pocket $8M if his knee continues to ail, simply because he passed his initial physical. And may never play a down for that club. There is no end of dangerous occupations - mining, iron working, chemicals, farming - you name it. And they have no guarantees.
bbb Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Why did I not really know about Revis until last year?........I really like him, especially the way to talked about TO, but they have to ignore the stupid Oakland contract and just make him the 2nd highest paid and be done with it.
BuffaloWings Posted August 11, 2010 Posted August 11, 2010 Seeing what happened to Leon Washington last year with the Jets, I don't blame Revis for holding out for more guaranteed money. Maybe, but in the grand scheme of things, it's hard to sympathize with a guy who is throwing a tantrum because he can't get his guaranteed millions. I work in a place where (for the longest time) I felt I was underpaid and overworked compared to my peers. If I had refused to work because of that, my employers would have easily found someone else to do my job for the existing salary...even if they thought I was the best guy in the group.
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