How come?

[Mickey]

OK, so now the blabber mouth, limousine riding hollywood crowd are an persecuted, ethnic minority? There is group that needs someone to stand up for them!  Ha ha ha, that is too funny.

 

I guess you can only have a negative view on white, heterosexual, Judeo-Christian males.

Then it is socially acceptable.

 

Happy (don't you dare mention christmas) holiday season to you!!.

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Who is the "Hollywood crowd" that you are complaining about? I guess it doesn't include the scores of conservative actors, directors, writers and producers who are politically vocal (hence blabber mouths by your reasoning) or ride in limousines.

 

Help me follow your argument, what is wrong with riding in a limousine? It is something rich people all over the country do, not just the "Hollywood crowd". Is it rich people you have a problem with or do you take issue with everyone who has ever ridden in a limousine from prom dates to lottery winners? Is it making movies that bothers you? Is it the fact that they get paid very well for their work or that the shareholders of film corporations are doing well?

 

You seem concerned about persecuted minorities, are white, heterosexual, christian males being somehow persecuted by people in limousines? What about the white, heterosexual, christian males who ride in limousines? What about the Corporate Sultans and Money Mullahs riding in limousines? Where do they fit in to your delusions of persecution of the majority by nonexistent enemies?

 

It just seems to me that railing against a wealthy and powerful "elite" because they ride in limousines is not only Marxist, it is in fact the very essence of Marxism. Next thing you know, you'll be calling them "robber barons".

[Mickey]

Last time Bush cited a "moral imperative" to do something about a human rights disaster (plus a huge security problem), you libs went crazy.  If he does something, it's because of some ulterior motive, if he does nothing, you cry about that.  Face it, you guys are just happier complaining than you are trying to help solve anything.

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Riiiggghhht. Why can't we offer constructive criticism like that offered by Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Liddy, North, Schlesinger, Ingram, etc, etc, ad infinitum? Why can't we just sit still and be called a bunch of traitors, terrorist sympathizers, communists, sodomites, elitists, baby killers, tree huggers, femminazis, pederasts, pagan christ haters for decades? Yeah, we are the complainers.

[pdh1]

Help me follow your argument, what is wrong with riding in a limousine?  It is something rich people all over the country do, not just the "Hollywood crowd".  Is it rich people you have a problem with or do you take issue with everyone who has ever ridden in a limousine from prom dates to lottery winners?  Is it making movies that bothers you?  Is it the fact that they get paid very well for their work or that the shareholders of film corporations are doing well? 

 

 

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I love limos myself. My points is that the hollywood in-crowd always champions the cause of "neo- socialism", talking about about how evil republicans don't take care of the poor, and how we need to pay more taxes, blah blah.

 

Well, time to put your money were you mouth is. Instead of making 20 million on you next picture, why not just take $50,000 and give the rest to the Red Cross or something? Maybe you don't see that getting taxed at 40% hurts more when you make $90,000 compared to $45 million. But hey, we are just the little people.

 

Remember Babs and her "10 suggestions to conserve energy in california"? Well, she didn't do any of the steps she her self outlined.

 

Another example, the group from hollywood that made the commercial that declared if you drive an SUV, you are supporting terrorists. Like limos and private planes get better gas mileage?

 

And they protest Bush for "human rights abuses" but don't say anything when somebody has their head cut off because they aren't a muslim.

They want to get to the root of terrorism, thinking it is a reaction to poverty, or injustices they have suffered.

 

You never ask why some drunks rednecks beat and kill a guy just because he is gay. You just want them to be punished. Should be the same with terrorists, I reckon.

[Mickey]

I love limos myself. My points is that the hollywood in-crowd always champions the cause of "neo- socialism", talking about about how evil republicans don't take care of the poor, and how we need to pay more taxes, blah blah.

 

Well, time to put your money were you mouth is. Instead of making 20 million on you next picture, why not just take $50,000 and give the rest to the Red Cross or something? Maybe you don't see that getting taxed at 40% hurts more when you make $90,000 compared to $45 million. But hey, we are just the little people.

 

Remember Babs and her "10 suggestions to conserve energy in california"? Well, she didn't do any of the steps she her self outlined.

 

Another example, the group from hollywood that made the commercial that declared if you drive an SUV, you are supporting terrorists. Like limos and private planes get better gas mileage?

 

And they protest Bush for "human rights abuses" but don't say anything when somebody has their head cut off because they aren't a muslim.

They want to get to the root of terrorism, thinking it is a reaction to poverty, or injustices they have suffered.

 

You never ask why some drunks rednecks beat and kill a guy just because he is gay. You just want them to be punished. Should be the same with terrorists, I reckon.

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Actually, quite a few people have looked very closely at why drunk rednecks kill a guy just because he is gay with the hope that it might help prevent such crimes in the future. Is that such a horrible notion?

 

I think you misunderstand the primary and effective purpose for protest. I could march against serial killers but somehow I don't think that will have much of an effect. They don't kill or refrain from killing because of what the general populace thinks. Protest is for the purpose of influencing political leaders, especially ones who are democratically elected and therefore have to pay attention to protests because it might be an indication that they are losing the popular support they need to survive in their jobs. Terrorists unfortunately, do not respond to protests. I haven't seen conservatives protest against beheading in Iraq either. I have read posts from both the right and left and everywhere inbetween denouncing these killings right here on this board. The idea that any political faction in this country beyond some fringe lunatics in a hole somewhere, are not equally appalled at these sadistic crimes is right wing lunacy. I probably know more liberals than you do and trust me, they couldn't be more angry. The idea that only the right is properly appalled enough is the height of conceit.

 

As for what Hollywood people do with their paychecks, most of them generously support charities regardless of their political views. If you are going to cast accusations at them for not giving enough, please be fairminded enough to include in your criticism the corporate sultans and republican princes who make Hollywood money look like chump change. Is your criticism of Hollywood consistent as against all actors, directors and producers or is it targeted only against those whose politics you do not share? Here is a list of conservative celebrities since it appears from your rant that only democratic Hollywood denizens are part of the "Hollywood in-crowd".Conservative Celebrities Are these conservatives also part of this Hollywood in-crowd?

 

Celebrities aren't telling anyone how to live their lives. They have political opinions just like the rest of us and have the right to voice them. This stereotyping of them with denigrating phrases, sweeping conclusions, short-hand insults and straight forward meanness smacks more of jealous anger than reasoned discussion. If a famous actor stood up and called all of red state America a haven for trailer trash, bible thumping, Ku Kluxer rubes the right wing culture of victimhood would be bouncing off the airwaves with righteous anger about such hateful rhetoric. Somehow though, it is okay for them to condemn everyone who disagrees with them as a bunch of Hollywood limousine elites.

 

Would it be so hard to simply quote a remark by an actor or producer with which you disagree and then provide the evidence showing that the actor's view is clearly wrong? Must there be this mean spirited rhetoric about the "Hollywood in-crowd" and their limousine driving ways? It is basically Marxism dressed up in right wing clothing. Same tactic in a different cause.

[pdh1]

Actually, quite a few people have looked very closely at why drunk rednecks kill a guy just because he is gay with the hope that it might help prevent such crimes in the future.  Is that such a horrible notion? 

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Really, I don't remember seeing "I am an American" commercials featuring misunderstood, violent rednecks after the Matthew Shepherd murder, or the dragging death in Texas.

 

And I don't recall the Red Cross taking money that was supposed to to aid the families of those victims, and spending it on "sensitivity" classes so people better understand the murderers' culture.

 

Miss that I guess.

[Mickey]

Really, I don't remember seeing "I  am an American" commercials featuring misunderstood, violent rednecks after the Matthew Shepherd murder, or the dragging death in Texas.

 

And I don't recall the Red Cross taking money that was supposed to to aid the families of those victims, and spending it on "sensitivity" classes so people better understand the murderers' culture.

 

Miss that I guess.

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I am not sure what you are talking about, are there some commercials about something or other that you are thinking about when talking about the lack of commercials about Shepherd's killers? This isn't the first reference you have made to Shepherd's killers, are you upset that they got a raw deal?

 

The study of homophobia and how it leads to violence against homosexuals is pretty well developed. The issue has been studied in an effort to understand and hopefully prevent such violence.

 

I have a sense that you actually believe the tripe spewing from hate radio about us terrible, fiendish, limousine driving liberals and our traitorous ways? Is that where all this is coming from? Seriously, if you come here just to beat your chest and show how cleverly you can denounce people you don't know as cowardly, christ hating, baby killing, anti-American pagans then why bother? If you care to actually have a discussion about a complex issue, let me know, I'll be around.

[pdh1]

I am not sure what you are talking about, are there some commercials about something or other that you are thinking about when talking about the lack of commercials about Shepherd's killers?  This isn't the first reference you have made to Shepherd's killers, are you upset that they got a raw deal?

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No, I hope they burn in hell.

 

My point is a hate crime shouldn't determined by what group it is committed against. I would consider any murder or boming of someone hateful enough, without having to elevated its seriousness because it effects a perceived persecuted minority

 

So why doesn't the left ever consider the actions of the Islamo-facists for what they truly are, the ultimate form of hate crime. Instead we get "am am an american" commercials, like our citizens are the ones taught since birth to hate other religions.

Hell, most schools in the U.S. won't even let the children celebrate Christmas, because it might offend 2% of the students.

[Mickey]

No, I hope they burn in hell.

 

My point is a hate crime shouldn't determined by what group it is committed against. I would consider any murder or boming of someone hateful enough, without having to elevated its seriousness because it effects a perceived persecuted minority

 

So why doesn't the left ever consider the actions of the Islamo-facists for what they truly are, the ultimate form of hate crime. Instead we get "am am an american" commercials, like our citizens are the ones taught since birth to hate other religions.

Hell, most schools in the U.S. won't even let the children celebrate Christmas, because it might offend 2% of the students.

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I am not sure what school your kids go to but the school mine go to have all the christian holidays off from Christmas to Good Friday. They celebrate all Holidays from one religion to another including Christmas. There is a Christmas tree in the main square downtown as well as one in city hall. My kids do almost as much celebrating of Christmas at school as they do at home. The school choir is giving a Christmas concert replete with traditional carols and at Easter they will perform a full repetoire of sacred music, mostly from Handel's Messiah. The concert will be performed in the school auditorium. The state hospital has more Christmas decorations than the Catholic hospital. The celebration of Christmas seems to be doing quite well despite all this imagined christ hating paganism the Bob Joneses of the world are bravely ready to fight. Of course, they will need your tax free donations to fight the good fight and fend of the atheist armies poised at the gates.

 

The idea that Christmas celebrating christians, all 98% of them by your estimate, are somehow being persecuted by a minority of non christians is one of the more humorous and at the same time, delusional, fictions of the right. You hear one ridiculous anecdote from Rush Limbaugh about some christian getting screwed somewhere by someone and that becomes your dominant view of the treatment of all christians, your proof that christians are besieged. At the same time you ignore the gazillions of examples all around you of favorable treatment of christianity from "Touched by an Angel" to Sunday morning TV to free Bibles in hotel rooms to a President who believes God wants him to be the head man. I guess you have to inorder to keep pretending that christianity is under siege as if Nero was about to let loose the lions when the truth is, christianity never had it so good and is more in control of the power of the state than ever before.

[pdh1]

I am not sure what school your kids go to but the school mine go to have all the christian holidays off from Christmas to Good Friday.  They celebrate all Holidays from one religion to another including Christmas.  There is a Christmas tree in the main square downtown as well as one in city hall.  My kids do almost as much celebrating of Christmas at school as they do at home.  The school choir is giving a Christmas concert replete with traditional carols and at Easter they will perform a full repetoire of sacred music, mostly from Handel's Messiah.  The concert will be performed in the school auditorium.  The state hospital has more Christmas decorations than the Catholic hospital.  The celebration of Christmas seems to be doing quite well despite all this imagined christ hating paganism the Bob Joneses of the world are bravely ready to fight.  Of course, they will need your tax free donations to fight the good fight and fend of the atheist armies poised at the gates.

 

The idea that Christmas celebrating christians, all 98% of them by your estimate, are somehow being persecuted by a minority of non christians is one of the more humorous and at the same time, delusional, fictions of the right.  You hear one ridiculous anecdote from Rush Limbaugh about some christian getting screwed somewhere by someone and that becomes your dominant view of the treatment of all christians, your proof that christians are besieged.  At the same time you ignore the gazillions of examples all around you of favorable treatment of christianity from "Touched by an Angel" to Sunday morning TV to free Bibles in hotel rooms to a President who believes God wants him to be the head man.  I guess you have to inorder to keep pretending that christianity is under siege as if Nero was about to let loose the lions when the truth is, christianity never had it so good and is more in control of the power of the state than ever before.

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The post wasn't really about Christmas, and I am tired of trying to explain my point to you. If you read my last post, and then reply by talking about "touched by an angel", then it is pointless.

 

Later...

[Mickey]

The post wasn't really about Christmas, and I am tired of trying to explain my point to you. If you read my last post, and then reply by talking about "touched by an angel", then it is pointless.

 

Later...

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Right, you didn't whine about not being able to celebrate Christmas at school? You did say: "Hell, most schools in the U.S. won't even let the children celebrate Christmas, because it might offend 2% of the students. "

 

If your post wasn't about Christmas, why did you finish it with a comment complaining about Christmas? If you are going to post that kind of comment, have the guts to stand by it and defend it or admit that it was just a stupid, ill advised rhetorical dingleberry you are now too embarassed to defend.

 

As for your worry that the left is not concerned about terrorists, what on earth are you basing that on? Newsflash: Most of the 9/11 victims came from Boston and Manhattan, areas replete with liberals and their limousine driving ways. They are as much on the front lines of terrorism as any of its victims. How dare you infer that your hatred of them is somehow more pure, more real than theirs? Just because they are not willing to blithely condemn every Muslim on the planet as an "Islamo fascist" (whatever that is) doesn't make them any less of an enemy of terrorism than you, in your conceit, seem to think you are.