pdh1 Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Home come you never see the hollywood crowd, euro-weenies, or the fulltime protesters of San Fran speak out about stuff like this? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/12/03...reut/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TristanFabriani Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 People typically protest against their government because they disagree with policies that their government pursues. There aren't many human beings that do not feel compassion for these women, and people from all sides of the political spectrum would cheer if the US tried to intervene to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Because they hate the US. If it doesn't have something to do with the US that they can piss and moan about, they don't see it. For example, they made a big stink about apartied, but didn't say a thing when Winnie Mandela was having people necklaced (shackled and having buring tires put around their necks- burning them alive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 The Sudan has come on here several times. But since there's no enormous oil reserve/cash incentive, no one gives a crap. I don't believe you're so Thurman's Helmet that you don't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 The Sudan has come on here several times. But since there's no enormous oil reserve/cash incentive, no one gives a crap. I don't believe you're so Thurman's Helmet that you don't get that. 145660[/snapback] Since when are the evil oil companies the ones doing the protesting? I thought the protest crowd was all about human rights, no blood for oil and all that. The answer is because Hollywood can't figure out how to blame rape in Africa on Bush. And of course, if we tried to do something about it, they would scream about American intervention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 People typically protest against their government because they disagree with policies that their government pursues. There aren't many human beings that do not feel compassion for these women, and people from all sides of the political spectrum would cheer if the US tried to intervene to help them. 145501[/snapback] Why does it always have the be the U.S? If we do something, we are war-mongers building an empire. If we don't, it must be because we only care about oil. Why doesn't the U.N. do something, or are their troops too busy raping people themselves in the Congo? France, Germany, China, anybody care to do something???? Most of these 'Protest Groups' say they focus on human rights. I guess they only focus when it fits their agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Home come you never see the hollywood crowd, euro-weenies, or the fulltime protesters of San Fran speak out about stuff like this? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/12/03...reut/index.html 145495[/snapback] A list of signatories at the SaveDarfur.org website: AFL-CIO Alliance of Baptists American Anti-Slavery Group American Humanist Association American Islamic Forum for Democracy American Jewish Committee American Jewish World Service Americans for Democratic Action Amnesty International USA Anti-Defamation League The Armenian Church of America ASMA Society: American Sufi Muslim Association Association of Humanistic Rabbis Board of Rabbis of Northern California Bread for the World Buddhist Peace Fellowship CAIR: Council on American-Islamic Relations Canadian Aid for Southern Sudan Canadian Council For Reform Judaism CASTS: Canadians Against Slavery and Torture in Sudan Central Conference of American Rabbis Christian Solidarity International Church Alliance for a New Sudan, Institute on Religion and Democracy Church World Service Citizens for Global Solutions Cleveland Diocesan Social Action Office Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism The Committee for the Defense of Human Rights in Mauritania Conference of Major Superiors of Men Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations Dallas Peace Center Darfur Peace and Development District of Columbia Baptist Convention The Echo Foundation Edah The Episcopal Church, USA Foundation for Ethnic Understanding Freedom Quest International Friends Committee on National Legislation Global Justice Hadassah Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society ICNA: Islamic Circle of North America Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace InterFaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington, D.C. Interfaith Council International Crisis Group International Justice Mission IRSA/USCR: Immigration and Refugee Services of America/U.S. Committee for Refugees Islamic Society of North America Jacob Blaustein Institute for the Advancement of Human Rights Jewish Council for Public Affairs Jewish Federation of Greater Houston Jewish Reconstructionist Federation Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice Leadership Conference of Women Religious Lutheran World Relief Maryknoll Office for Global Concerns Representatives of the Massaleit Community in Exile MAZON: A Jewish Response To Hunger Medjugorje International Relief Metropolitan Community Churches Moslem Public Affairs Council Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation National Association of Evangelicals National Black Church Initiative National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA National Council of Jewish Women National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby New York Board of Rabbis Pax Christi USA The Peace Company Physicians for Human Rights Progressive Christians Uniting Progressive Jewish Alliance The Rabbinical Assembly The Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism Res Publica Sauti Yetu Center for African Women Society for Humanistic Judaism Sojourners Soka Gakkai International USA Buddhist Association Sudan Campaign Sudan Peace Advocates Network Tikkun Chicago TransAfrica Forum UJA-Federation of New York Union for Reform Judaism Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America Union of the People of Darfur in the U.S. Unitarian Universalist Association Unitarian Universalist Service Committee United Jewish Communities United States Conference of Catholic Bishops United States Holocaust Memorial Museum United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism Ve’ahavta: The Canadian Jewish Humanitarian and Relief Committee Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) of America Western Sudan Aid Relief in the U.S.A. Western Sudan Association of Pennsylvania Women of Reform Judaism Women’s Commission for Refugee Women and Children Women of Reform Judaism Women's American ORT Yeshiva University Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Since when are the evil oil companies the ones doing the protesting? I thought the protest crowd was all about human rights, no blood for oil and all that. The answer is because Hollywood can't figure out how to blame rape in Africa on Bush. And of course, if we tried to do something about it, they would scream about American intervention. 145681[/snapback] Furthermore...where were the "no blood for oil" protesters during Clinton's administration, when all that blood was being spilt for oil in Afghanistan? Fact is...the protesters only protest events when they can filter them through their partisan world-view. "Darfur is bad" because they don't like Bush. If Kerry had won the election, it would be "an African problem"...just like Rwanda was "an African problem" under Clinton. They don't care about the people involved, they only care about their politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 If you haven't seen or heard people talking about this for the past few YEARS, have your hearing checked or press the mute button back to sound. It doesn't really matter if people are protesting about it and we could give a stevestojan what celebrities think. Are you saying our leaders are waiting for protestations for a moral imperative to do something? Dare this administration be able to multitask? For various and sundry reasons, neither we nor the UN are doing much of anything to stop vast human suffering there or the rest of Africa. Sorry, but the Peace Corps building rope bridges doesn't cut mustard for stuff like this. I guess it's not a priority at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 If you haven't seen or heard people talking about this for the past few YEARS, have your hearing checked or press the mute button back to sound. It doesn't really matter if people are protesting about it and we could give a stevestojan what celebrities think. Are you saying our leaders are waiting for protestations for a moral imperative to do something? Dare this administration be able to multitask? For various and sundry reasons, neither we nor the UN are doing much of anything to stop vast human suffering there or the rest of Africa. Sorry, but the Peace Corps building rope bridges doesn't cut mustard for stuff like this. I guess it's not a priority at the moment. 145873[/snapback] Last time Bush cited a "moral imperative" to do something about a human rights disaster (plus a huge security problem), you libs went crazy. If he does something, it's because of some ulterior motive, if he does nothing, you cry about that. Face it, you guys are just happier complaining than you are trying to help solve anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted December 4, 2004 Author Share Posted December 4, 2004 A list of signatories at the SaveDarfur.org website: AFL-CIO Alliance of Baptists American Anti-Slavery Group American Humanist Association American Islamic Forum for Democracy American Jewish Committee American Jewish World Service Americans for Democratic Action Amnesty International USA Anti-Defamation League The Armenian Church of America ASMA Society: American Sufi Muslim Association Association of Humanistic Rabbis Board of Rabbis of Northern California Bread for the World Buddhist Peace Fellowship CAIR: Council on American-Islamic Relations Canadian Aid for Southern Sudan Canadian Council For Reform Judaism CASTS: Canadians Against Slavery and Torture in Sudan Central Conference of American Rabbis Christian Solidarity International Church Alliance for a New Sudan, Institute on Religion and Democracy Church World Service Citizens for Global Solutions Cleveland Diocesan Social Action Office Commission on Social Action of Reform Judaism The Committee for the Defense of Human Rights in Mauritania Conference of Major Superiors of Men Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations Dallas Peace Center Darfur Peace and Development District of Columbia Baptist Convention The Echo Foundation Edah The Episcopal Church, USA Foundation for Ethnic Understanding Freedom Quest International Friends Committee on National Legislation Global Justice Hadassah Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society ICNA: Islamic Circle of North America Interfaith Communities United for Justice and Peace InterFaith Conference of Metropolitan Washington, D.C. Interfaith Council International Crisis Group International Justice Mission IRSA/USCR: Immigration and Refugee Services of America/U.S. Committee for Refugees Islamic Society of North America Jacob Blaustein Institute for the Advancement of Human Rights Jewish Council for Public Affairs Jewish Federation of Greater Houston Jewish Reconstructionist Federation Joan B. Kroc Institute for Peace and Justice Leadership Conference of Women Religious Lutheran World Relief Maryknoll Office for Global Concerns Representatives of the Massaleit Community in Exile MAZON: A Jewish Response To Hunger Medjugorje International Relief Metropolitan Community Churches Moslem Public Affairs Council Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation National Association of Evangelicals National Black Church Initiative National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA National Council of Jewish Women National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States NETWORK: A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby New York Board of Rabbis Pax Christi USA The Peace Company Physicians for Human Rights Progressive Christians Uniting Progressive Jewish Alliance The Rabbinical Assembly The Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism Res Publica Sauti Yetu Center for African Women Society for Humanistic Judaism Sojourners Soka Gakkai International USA Buddhist Association Sudan Campaign Sudan Peace Advocates Network Tikkun Chicago TransAfrica Forum UJA-Federation of New York Union for Reform Judaism Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America Union of the People of Darfur in the U.S. Unitarian Universalist Association Unitarian Universalist Service Committee United Jewish Communities United States Conference of Catholic Bishops United States Holocaust Memorial Museum United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism Ve’ahavta: The Canadian Jewish Humanitarian and Relief Committee Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council) of America Western Sudan Aid Relief in the U.S.A. Western Sudan Association of Pennsylvania Women of Reform Judaism Women’s Commission for Refugee Women and Children Women of Reform Judaism Women's American ORT Yeshiva University 145713[/snapback] Wow, very impressive, some people signed a petition. That will get the problem solved, for sure. Funny, I didn't see Michael Moore or The Dixie Chicks on that list. No, I am looking for some of the same passion that these rocket scientists show: http://digitaljohnny.cementhorizon.com/arc...q%20protest.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Furthermore...where were the "no blood for oil" protesters during Clinton's administration, when all that blood was being spilt for oil in Afghanistan? Fact is...the protesters only protest events when they can filter them through their partisan world-view. "Darfur is bad" because they don't like Bush. If Kerry had won the election, it would be "an African problem"...just like Rwanda was "an African problem" under Clinton. They don't care about the people involved, they only care about their politics. 145802[/snapback] There it is. Bullseye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweet baboo Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 No, I am looking for some of the same passion that these rocket scientists show:http://digitaljohnny.cementhorizon.com/arc...q%20protest.JPG 145994[/snapback] good find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede316 Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The god's honest truth....We could care less about Africa........There is no military or strategic/economic advantage to Africa......So who cares.....Just the way it is.....Sad but true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RastaMouse Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Since when are the evil oil companies the ones doing the protesting? I thought the protest crowd was all about human rights, no blood for oil and all that. The answer is because Hollywood can't figure out how to blame rape in Africa on Bush. And of course, if we tried to do something about it, they would scream about American intervention. 145681[/snapback] KD you are so correct. The US, under Powell's leadership, has actually been on the leading edge in proclaiming the violence in Sudan genocide. The UN, African Union and others have been reluctant to take this step. The truest measure in determining if the US is doing enough in Africa is evident from the silence you hear from the Black Congressional Caucus, NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson, Amnesty International or others. They can express their outrage over the events in Sudan but not America's response...and that's the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Wow, very impressive, some people signed a petition. That will get the problem solved, for sure. Funny, I didn't see Michael Moore or The Dixie Chicks on that list. No, I am looking for some of the same passion that these rocket scientists show: http://digitaljohnny.cementhorizon.com/arc...q%20protest.JPG 145994[/snapback] That's not fair. Signing a petition is a form of protest. I didn't see MM or the DCs on that list either. But saying leftist loonies should be protesting Darfur genocide and against Bush with equal fervor is not a fair call to make. If you look at the site, they do have a list of events also. Don't expect someone who thinks the Bush "regime" engineered 9/11 (or another favorite, Bush=Hitler) to have any rational thoughts at all, let alone find other causes to protest. Well, there's a possiblity they may have a rational thought at some point in their life - I'm just saying we can't EXPECT it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 The god's honest truth....We could care less about Africa........There is no military or strategic/economic advantage to Africa......So who cares.....Just the way it is.....Sad but true. 146158[/snapback] Sadly, that's not true. There is a lot of military focus on Africa, right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Home come you never see the hollywood crowd, euro-weenies, or the fulltime protesters of San Fran speak out about stuff like this? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/12/03...reut/index.html 145495[/snapback] I guess its because Mel Gibson, Arnold, Tom Selleck, Gary Oldman, Andy Garcia, Bruce Willis, James Caan, Kurt Russel, Dennis Miller and scores of other Hollywood conservatives don't really go in for protests all that much. Do I really need to come up with a list of the charities supported by celebrities to show what an idiotic, moronic, nasty, class warfare fomenting, quasi-marxist load of crap that post was? Since they apparently occupy a prominent place in your paranoid fantasies, perhaps you could tell us just what the eff is a "euro-weenie"? Better yet, maybe you could explain to us why anyone should read your post as anything but a meanspirited attack against people you don't even know but about whom you have assumed the worst? It really is a lot like racism. "All Hollywood people are....." "All Poles are stupid." "All San Franciscans are...." "All Jews are greedy." "All Europeans are....." "All women are weak". The same diseased thinking is at work in all of those statements. First you come up with a stereotype that is profoundly negative and usually just as profoundly inaccurate and then you paste the fictions you have created to make yourself feel superior on to an entire group of utter strangers about whom you know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Because they hate the US. If it doesn't have something to do with the US that they can piss and moan about, they don't see it. For example, they made a big stink about apartied, but didn't say a thing when Winnie Mandela was having people necklaced (shackled and having buring tires put around their necks- burning them alive) 145573[/snapback] "Because they hate the US." Who exactly is "they"? Do you seriously believe that there are large and well organized domestic political groups whose primary political plank is hatred of their own country? Here is a question, inorder to be credible when deploring injustice, must one divide their time and resources equally among all the millions of injustices occurring daily everywhere or can you pick what you feel is the worst one and concentrate on that? Boy, the nerve of those people, making a big stink about apartheid, what were they thinking? And then to be, as you accuse but do not prove, silent on the problem of Winnie Mandela, how awful. How much nobler were those who were silent on apartheid and on Winnie Mandela for they were consistent. Consistently unconcerned with injustice anyway. I bow to their superior morality carried with so much consistency and so little conscience because thats what matters, consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdh1 Posted December 6, 2004 Author Share Posted December 6, 2004 OK, so now the blabber mouth, limousine riding hollywood crowd are an persecuted, ethnic minority? There is group that needs someone to stand up for them! Ha ha ha, that is too funny. I guess you can only have a negative view on white, heterosexual, Judeo-Christian males. Then it is socially acceptable. Happy (don't you dare mention christmas) holiday season to you!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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