Fingon Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 STUDSNT Torell Troup: The rookie out of Central Florida has been unblockable in one-on-one drills, consistently beating blockers with brute strength unrivaled by anyone else on this roster. In team work, he has shown the capability to shed blockers repeatedly, and consistently controls blockers and generates great push. He's surprisingly technically sound, and is a real throwback-type, as he's the only player on the field without any tape or gloves on his hands. I'm still not sure Troup's ceiling is very high, but he appears to be close to it already, and could get a lot more rookie playing time than originally anticipated. Star-divide SS Donte Whitner: The former No. 8 overall pick was almost an afterthought entering camp, what with all the hype surrounding fellow safeties Jairus Byrd and George Wilson. Whitner has looked excellent, however; he's moving faster than every defender on the field, looks great on the blitz from his strong safety position, and has never been a liability in coverage at safety. Many thought Wilson would claim his starting spot, but judging from the way Whitner is acclimating to the new defensive scheme, that seems unlikely for the time being. WR Chad Jackson: Bills head coach Chan Gailey was very up front in heaping praise on the former second-round pick of New England, and Jackson has begun his march up the depth chart as a result - he got some first-team reps Wednesday in spread formation looks as the fourth receiver, ahead of names like James Hardy, Felton Huggins and David Nelson. Steve Johnson still appears to have a stranglehold on the No. 2 receiving spot (and Roscoe Parrish likewise in the slot), but no receiver has made a bigger impression to this point than Jackson. He's looked every bit of the phenomenal athlete that made him a second-round pick in the first place. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/8/5/1...mp-week-1-studs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 God I want to have some hope for this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I usually respect Brian Galliford's assessments but how he can put Troup in that small of a box so soon is beyond me. Our second round pick is close to reaching his ceiling , in the first week of his first training camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I usually respect Brian Galliford's assessments but how he can put Troup in that small of a box so soon is beyond me. Our second round pick is close to reaching his ceiling , in the first week of his first training camp? I think what he tried to say is that what you see is what you get, a space eater commanding the double team that isn't athletic enough to get to the QB. If Troup can do that for 10 years he's a great pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I think what he tried to say is that what you see is what you get, a space eater commanding the double team that isn't athletic enough to get to the QB. If Troup can do that for 10 years he's a great pick. I agree. The "ceiling" remark was odd though. What the Hell is the ceiling for a NT? If it takes two OL to block you play in and play out and you can collapse the pocket, make tackles and play three downs a series, you're a Pro-Bowl NT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I agree. The "ceiling" remark was odd though. What the Hell is the ceiling for a NT? If it takes two OL to block you play in and play out and you can collapse the pocket, make tackles and play three downs a series, you're a Pro-Bowl NT. If he is very technically sound, and athletically not expected to get much bigger, faster, stronger, then he has probably gotten close to his ceiling -- ie. hes not a project, he is what he is at this point and will work on polishing instead of building from the ground up. Whats the ceiling for any position? I dont get why its odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If he is very technically sound, and athletically not expected to get much bigger, faster, stronger, then he has probably gotten close to his ceiling. Whats the ceiling for any position? I dont get why its odd. How can anyone, much less some (in essence) fan make that determination? He may not get taller, but he can certainly add weight. He can also probably add more strength being in a professional weight program. Speed, who knows, but speed isn't necessary for a NT. If anything, I also think he meant he won't be a pass-rushing NT. Not that there have been many, if any, of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I agree. The "ceiling" remark was odd though. What the Hell is the ceiling for a NT? If it takes two OL to block you play in and play out and you can collapse the pocket, make tackles and play three downs a series, you're a Pro-Bowl NT. I understand what the writer was saying when he referred to Troup already near to his ceiling level. There were a couple of NTs such as Cody and Linval Joseph who were bigger and bulkier who had potentially more long term upside. The expectations for Troup is that he is going to play nearer to his ceiling level much quicker than these other rawer players. I don't think the writer was disparaging Troup so much as complimenting a more finished product than some other NT prospects. I remember prior to the draft one Bill scout describing Troup as being well conditioned for a NT. He stated that with him he would be able to be on the field for more plays because of his unusual stamina for a man his size. Everything I have read about him prior to the draft is that he is a worker and high effort player. He is a solid pick and the type of player you would want on your roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I understand what the writer was saying when he referred to Troup already near to his ceiling level. There were a couple of NTs such as Cody and Linval Joseph who were bigger and bulkier who had potentially more long term upside. The expectations for Troup is that he is going to play nearer to his ceiling level muck quicker than these other rawer players. I don't think the writer was disparaging Troup so much as complimenting a more finished product than some other NT prospects. I remember prior to the draft one Bill scout describing Troup as being well conditioned for a NT. He stated that with him he would be able to be on the field for more plays because of his unusual stamina for a man his size. Everything I have read about him prior to the draft is that he is a worker and high effort player. He is a solid pick and the type of player you would want on your roster. He is a "smaller" DT/NT. He'll get worn out by the potential double team blocks or a bigger and better OL than what he's facing in Bills' training camp. For now, he's good in a rotation of NTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Troup is the type of draft pick that will make or break this new front office...... People were knocking the pick because either: - We didn't trade back and get Dan Williams - We didnt take Mt Cody when we were going to switch to a 3-4 - We didnt take a player at another position of need at with that 2nd round pick What people dont understand is that Troup is a fricking stud (well they are seeing that now) and while there were 3 defensive linemen who received all the hype (they all went in the 1st) we allowed what needed to happen which is allow Buddy Nix to do his thing and rely on our draft scouts.....stay put and take him with the 2nd round pick....we didn't have to give anything up in a trade up scenario....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 How can anyone, much less some (in essence) fan make that determination? He may not get taller, but he can certainly add weight. He can also probably add more strength being in a professional weight program. Speed, who knows, but speed isn't necessary for a NT. If anything, I also think he meant he won't be a pass-rushing NT. Not that there have been many, if any, of those. If hes playing at a healthy weight, and is not expected to shed a ton of fat (ala cody), or add a ton of muscle (ala maybin) then then what is the big change he will make? he might improve marginally in specific areas, but do you expect it to be exponential if he has been doing the right things all along? Cody on the other hand has a long way to go with fitness and technique, he isnt as close to his ceiling. Saying he is near his ceiling is more a compliment to what hes done then an insult to what he can do. Im a fan and I can see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throwback Bills Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Troup! Sounds like a great pick for a reach at the at the second spot. Ha Ha! Great job to the Scouting staff and Nix!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If hes playing at a healthy weight, and is not expected to shed a ton of fat (ala cody), or add a ton of muscle (ala maybin) then then what is the big change he will make? he might improve marginally in specific areas, but do you expect it to be exponential if he has been doing the right things all along? Cody on the other hand has a long way to go with fitness and technique, he isnt as close to his ceiling. Saying he is near his ceiling is more a compliment to what hes done then an insult to what he can do. Im a fan and I can see that Sometimes the ceiling comment is very over rated......I take those comments to talk about a player who isn't good enough right now and you wonder if when he reaches his ceiling he will be (cough Maybin cough) If Troup is a stud RIGHT NOW then who cares? He will get better simply by gaining experience and meshing with his team mates....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLynchTrain Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Troup! Sounds like a great pick for a reach at the at the second spot. Ha Ha! Great job to the Scouting staff and Nix!!!! troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If he is very technically sound, and athletically not expected to get much bigger, faster, stronger, then he has probably gotten close to his ceiling -- ie. hes not a project, he is what he is at this point and will work on polishing instead of building from the ground up. Whats the ceiling for any position? I dont get why its odd. I see your point, in terms of his physical attributes. That is the perspective from a "measurables" standpoint. Not to turn this into quantum physics but I believe Troup played in a 4-3 during college so there's still probably a lot he can learn on the mental side of the game, which would add to his ceiling. How can anyone, much less some (in essence) fan make that determination? He may not get taller, but he can certainly add weight. He can also probably add more strength being in a professional weight program. Speed, who knows, but speed isn't necessary for a NT. If anything, I also think he meant he won't be a pass-rushing NT. Not that there have been many, if any, of those. He can add weight if desired, seeing as he lost about 30 pounds with a religious running regimen. And he was one of the strongest players at the combine but certainly he could get stronger as you point out. I agree with your interpretation of Brian G's statement. I understand what the writer was saying when he referred to Troup already near to his ceiling level. There were a couple of NTs such as Cody and Linval Joseph who were bigger and bulkier who had potentially more long term upside. The expectations for Troup is that he is going to play nearer to his ceiling level much quicker than these other rawer players. I don't think the writer was disparaging Troup so much as complimenting a more finished product than some other NT prospects. I remember prior to the draft one Bill scout describing Troup as being well conditioned for a NT. He stated that with him he would be able to be on the field for more plays because of his unusual stamina for a man his size. Everything I have read about him prior to the draft is that he is a worker and high effort player. He is a solid pick and the type of player you would want on your roster. Absolutely. Strong take. He is a "smaller" DT/NT. He'll get worn out by the potential double team blocks or a bigger and better OL than what he's facing in Bills' training camp. For now, he's good in a rotation of NTs. All reports from camp are that Troup is quite large-boned with a good anchor. It's been well documented by others that he lost about 30 pounds over the course of his collegiate career to get down in the 320 pound range. He could get bigger if the coaches determine that to be the best strategy. Troup is currently not the biggest NT in the league by any means but projecting on what we know of him, I don't think we'll have to worry about him getting worn down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy G Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If Troup is a stud RIGHT NOW then who cares? He will get better simply by gaining experience and meshing with his team mates....... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 If he is very technically sound, and athletically not expected to get much bigger, faster, stronger, then he has probably gotten close to his ceiling -- ie. hes not a project, he is what he is at this point and will work on polishing instead of building from the ground up. Whats the ceiling for any position? I dont get why its odd. What's odd is being that emphatic about the box he put a guy in after seeing him for one week. So he's either one of the greatest talent evaluators of all time, or he jumped the gun by a country mile on that comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 What's odd is being that emphatic about the box he put a guy in after seeing him for one week. So he's either one of the greatest talent evaluators of all time, or he jumped the gun by a country mile on that comment. From the career curve perspective, yes. A bit early for statements like that. But I do understand where the writer is coming from, even if I don't necessarily agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted August 5, 2010 Author Share Posted August 5, 2010 If Troup is as good as we've been hearing, our defense could be very good this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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