thewildrabbit Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If this were true, the Bills would have been relived to hear he was looking for housing in WNY and likely to come back. Instead, they reacted to the news by informing him that he was no longer in their plans. This is the issue people need to come to terms with. When it seemed like he was going to retire, the word out of OBD was "take as much time as you need. We'd love to have you." As soon as it seemed like he was coming back, it was Nix on the phone telling him to stay the hell away. Nobody in the FO is panicking about season ticket sales, some games are already sold out... Why waste the money on an older DE in a rebuilding year, at least that appears to be the attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I thought that immediately after the draft Nix made a very telling comment about how he wished he had more picks because he didn't have enough to fix everything that needed to be fixed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Nobody in the FO is panicking about season ticket sales, some games are already sold out... Why waste the money on an older DE in a rebuilding year, at least that appears to be the attitude. Had Schrobel just shown up to camp on time this would not be an issue.......he would have his money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 NO SH*T SHIRLOCK! Just like Jason Taylor, Calvin Pace, Elvis Dumerville, Willie McGinest, Terelle Suggs and Mike Vrable all played with their hands on the ground to start their careers in the NFL. Morgan would've played OLB on this team too! Try slowing down when you read. Read the above responses to this stupid thread. Next! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 If this were true, the Bills would have been relived to hear he was looking for housing in WNY and likely to come back. Instead, they reacted to the news by informing him that he was no longer in their plans. This is the issue people need to come to terms with. When it seemed like he was going to retire, the word out of OBD was "take as much time as you need. We'd love to have you." As soon as it seemed like he was coming back, it was Nix on the phone telling him to stay the hell away. Can I get a link supporting that? Talking about a stretch of the imagination? Nix wants Schobel to stay away but has a spot for Kelsay and Mitchell? Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 I love the meltdown some are having over Spiller not being signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoto Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Good Posting, agree The first BIG MISTAKE was assuming that Schobel was coming back. Buddy expected to get one more productive year out of Schobel as the teams primary pass rusher. Well that's not going to happen. The second BIG MISTAKE was not having a backup plan and drafting a legit pass rusher. In the 1st round he passed on legit pass rushers like Morgan, Graham, Pierre Paul. In the 2nd round he passed on Kindle. In the later rounds, he passed on Griffen, Norwood and Sapp. Am I saying that all of them will be All Pros, NO! But they would've all contributed this year and the majority of them are better than anyone the Bills have at OLB. When you look at the great 3-4's, it's all about the NT and the OLB's. Over the years, tandems like Woodley and Harrison and Timmons (Dominated the Cards Oline in the SB), Phillips and Merriman , Ware and Spencer, Porter and Taylor, Vrable and McGinest dominated opposing offensive lines and disrupted passing games. Even teams who run a 4-3 understand that the NFL is a passing league and you need great pass rushers to get anywhere. The last 3 Super Bowls were played by teams who have Freeney/Mathis, Will Smith, Harrison/Wodley, Tuck/Mathias K/Osi/Strahan (And they just drafted Pierre Paul). Look at what Allen and Edwards do in Minny!!!!! Or the difference guys like Mathews and Dumerville make on their teams. So what did Buddy do to improve what I think is the 2nd most important position (pass rusher wherever it comes from) in the NFL today? NOTHING! And now the Bills best pass rusher over the last decade is sick of the ineptitude that the Bills show year after year and says "no thanks" to 6 mill. Good job Buddy! The Bills may not have anyone to rush the QB but they do have 3 solid RB's!! (And a terrible O-line to boot!) Isn't the NFL a passing league!?!?! Wouldn't it make sense to load up on pass rushers the way the Steelers do every year? Way to count on the dynamic duo of Maybin and Kelsay. Brady, Henne and Sanchez thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 If this were true, the Bills would have been relived to hear he was looking for housing in WNY and likely to come back. Instead, they reacted to the news by informing him that he was no longer in their plans. This is the issue people need to come to terms with. When it seemed like he was going to retire, the word out of OBD was "take as much time as you need. We'd love to have you." As soon as it seemed like he was coming back, it was Nix on the phone telling him to stay the hell away. It does seem a little odd, that all along the Bills were basically saying Schobel could take his time and they would take him with open arms when he came in. Then suddenly when the word/rumor was out that he was looking for a place in Buffalo to rent, they told him he wasn't going to be a Bill in 2010? So far with the Schobel mess, the drafting of the few positions we already have depth and not at the positions we don't have players-period, not too impressed with this new regime, seems like more of the same we have been seeing for over a decade. Way to go Ralph. Like Greenberg said on ESPN this morning, the Bills are "A Shame." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 This is the issue people need to come to terms with. When it seemed like he was going to retire, the word out of OBD was "take as much time as you need. We'd love to have you." As soon as it seemed like he was coming back, it was Nix on the phone telling him to stay the hell away. No way,... Schobel's a football player who know's the score. New regime, new system, change of position, he missed all of OTA w/o even communicating to the team, plus he'd be look to as the veteran leader on a young team. If he was going to play, he needed to be here at the start of camp (day 1). Not make up his mind over the next 10 days or so as he seemed to be saying. He's going to play a single year and pull all this off by walking in late. If the Bills had allowed him to do that we would be screaming louder than we did for Jauron's head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 It does seem a little odd, that all along the Bills were basically saying Schobel could take his time and they would take him with open arms when he came in. Then suddenly when the word/rumor was out that he was looking for a place in Buffalo to rent, they told him he wasn't going to be a Bill in 2010? So far with the Schobel mess, the drafting of the few positions we already have depth and not at the positions we don't have players-period, not too impressed with this new regime, seems like more of the same we have been seeing for over a decade. Way to go Ralph. Like Greenberg said on ESPN this morning, the Bills are "A Shame." What is a shame is how players like Schobel show up the Bills, the team that overpaid his a$$ for years. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 We had other needs at the time, it wasn't a priority to get a pass rusher.. The examples you have are of good teams, who weren't trying or needing to fill multiple holes. It is totally different drafting from a position of luxury, instead of need If we had "other needs at the time" why not fill one of them? ...unless you think we had a "need" at RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 - You expect players to honor their contracts- THE WAY THAT TEAMS DO?- Nix babied Schrobel in a attempt to get him back by not fining him or badmouthing him in the media - BASICALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. NIX THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO PERSUADE SCHOBEL TO COME BACK AND FAILED . - We did in fact take a pretty good prospect in the 3rd round in Alex Carrington - AGREED, BUT HE'S NOT A PASS RUSHER. - Pass rush in a 3-4 defense comes from your linebackers....it is the job of the down linemen to hold up blockers - SCHOBEL WAS GOING TO PLAY OLB - We went to a 3-4 and needed a legit NT......Troupe was the pick there and everyone says he is looking very good - KYLE WILLIAMS WILL START - CJ Spiller might have been the best playmaker in the draft and was worth the value at the 9th pick.....cant fault them there - I LIKE SPILLER, BUT THE BILLS HAVE NO ONE TO RUSH THE QB, THEY HAVE TWO OTHER GOOD RB'S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 No way,... Schobel's a football player who know's the score. New regime, new system, change of position, he missed all of OTA w/o even communicating to the team, plus he'd be look to as the veteran leader on a young team. If he was going to play, he needed to be here at the start of camp (day 1). Not make up his mind over the next 10 days or so as he seemed to be saying. He's going to play a single year and pull all this off by walking in late. If the Bills had allowed him to do that we would be screaming louder than we did for Jauron's head... The truth is the Bills were letting him do that until a couple days ago. They probably should have done it months ago, but to wait until now and contradict yourself seems like we have another bunch of minor leaguers running the show again. Now the word is that they are going to release him today? Plain stupid, you don't lose anything by keeping him in the failed to report list, at least try to trade him for something. Another incompetent front office apparently-but that is what you get when you buy from the bargain barrel like Ralph always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 What is a shame is how players like Schobel show up the Bills, the team that overpaid his a$$ for years. PTR Look at it from Schobel's view though. What has this organiztion done to put a winner on the field during his career? Laughable drafts, terrible FA signings and bad coaching and FO choices. The dude is worn out. Apathetic beyond belief. So now he wants to be closer to home and play for a team that has a shot and not be part of another rebuild which would make it 3 for his career. I never thought he ws an elite player but he was pretty damn good for a long time here. He's not showing the Bills up, he's sick of the disfunction. To bad Buddy didn't feel the need to replace his production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Your mistake is assuming that Nix was thinking he could fix the Bills in one off-season. It is going to take more than one draft to clean up the previous regime's mess and get a winner assembled. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 Look at it from Schobel's view though. What has this organiztion done to put a winner on the field during his career? Laughable drafts, terrible FA signings and bad coaching and FO choices. The dude is worn out. Apathetic beyond belief. So now he wants to be closer to home and play for a team that has a shot and not be part of another rebuild which would make it 3 for his career. I never thought he ws an elite player but he was pretty damn good for a long time here. He's not showing the Bills up, he's sick of the disfunction. To bad Buddy didn't feel the need to replace his production. Good post. It isn't only us fans that get tired of losing year after year after year after year. If the Bills would have told him from the beginning that he needed to make a decision or gave him a deadline to let them know it might not have come to this. All along they were just telling him to take his time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 his biggest mistake was going 3-4 at all. He is doing it on the cheap playing poor defensive ends and hoping they will be better linebackers ? He has effective neutralized at least two of the few effective front seven players (Schobel and Mitchell). He has used valuable resources necessary to restart a moribund offense. Those are his mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 +1 Perhaps +1, but just change the date of the post every couple of years to keep this excuse "fresh". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted August 4, 2010 Share Posted August 4, 2010 [/b] The truth is the Bills were letting him do that until a couple days ago. They probably should have done it months ago, but to wait until now and contradict yourself seems like we have another bunch of minor leaguers running the show again. Now the word is that they are going to release him today? Plain stupid, you don't lose anything by keeping him in the failed to report list, at least try to trade him for something. Another incompetent front office apparently-but that is what you get when you buy from the bargain barrel like Ralph always does. I agree with your points... they should have traded him much earlier and given the current predicament he should stay on the Failed to Report list, not released Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted August 4, 2010 Author Share Posted August 4, 2010 his biggest mistake was going 3-4 at all. He is doing it on the cheap playing poor defensive ends and hoping they will be better linebackers ? He has effective neutralized at least two of the few effective front seven players (Schobel and Mitchell). He has used valuable resources necessary to restart a moribund offense. Those are his mistakes. You're forgetting the most important IMO, Kyle Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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