Revis situation is ugly

[NoSaint]

It gets done. If you watch CIN (not recommended), you will see how they go after Polamalu and Lewis. Polamalu leads with his head and gets smashed. Cedric Benson knocked him silly last season. Lewis is smarter, but he usually ends up committing a gratuitous personal foul late in the game., e.g:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4KZnxHFrVk

 

That thing kept CIN alive for an eventual win.

 

 

I'm betting that next time they face Revis, he will be on the hit parade.

 

 

obviously you want to play physical with him but that same cincy team had shots at him twice in a row - both at home - once in the playoffs. if it were that easy, im guessing they wouldve done it at some point.

[billsfreak]

We actually traded a disgruntled previous LT and came out pretty well from the draft, why it didn't happen here I have 0 clue.

Exactly my point. Apparently the last FO had more brains than this one does? And that isn't saying too much now is it?

[ddaryl]

... in a couple of years "that kind of money" will be the league minimum!

 

 

really.. the NFL will be looking at lost revenues this year and probably for the foreseeable future and more Americnas lose jobs beneifts and wages...

 

the players want more but the well is drying up, and the reality is many people will be giving up spending big money to goto pro sports games... We already were having trouble spending $100 - $400 to goto the games and I doubt the majority can afford more...

[Thurman#1]

I thought we went over this already? The Jets D shut down everyone. All those numbers for all those recievers suck. This was not because of Revis alone, but rather the Jets D being very good all over. Revis didnt cover the #1 guy every single play. Revis was coving some of those #2s, 3s, or the TE when they caught passes. Revis wasnt covering the #1 when they caught some of those passes they did. Those stats prove nothing.

 

Thats like saying "Thomas jones ran for 200 yards vrs the Bills, and since Poz is teh MLB its his job to stop the run, so man Poz must SUCK!"

 

 

 

We did go over it. Unfortunately, obviously you missed the significance. So far, not once has the #1 reciever of the opposing team been number one on the day for that team.

 

Strange.

[stuckincincy]

obviously you want to play physical with him but that same cincy team had shots at him twice in a row - both at home - once in the playoffs. if it were that easy, im guessing they wouldve done it at some point.

 

Stay tuned. The refs let the darling Revis get away with figurative murder. I'm sure they thought the refs wouldn't let Revis get away with it in the 2nd game - but they did.

[Thurman#1]

Finished the analysis:

 

 

-----Jets Week One vs. Houston:

 

Daniels 4/44

Johnson 4/35 against Revis

Slaton 3/35

Leach 2_23

 

"Game ball : The Jets' Darelle Revis is on the verge of becoming an elite corner and showed why Sunday by making Andre Johnson a complete non-factor. Revis held Johnson -- the league's reigning receptions leader -- to four catches for 35 yards, including just one reception in the first half."

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009091305/2...EG1/jets@texans

 

-----Jets Week Two vs. NE:

 

Edelman 9/98

Galloway 5/53

Moss 4/24 against Revis

Watson 3/23

 

"Jets CB Darrelle Revis blanketed Randy Moss and limited him to four catches for 24 yards."

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009092005/2...@jets#tab:recap

 

-----Jets Week Three vs. Titans

 

Britt 4/59

Crumpler 4/41

Gage 4/37 against Revis

Washington 225

 

-----Jets Week Four vs. Saints

 

Thomas 4/46

Shockey 4/34

Colston 2/33 against Revis

Henderson 3/21

Meachem 1/19

 

Colston averaged 67.1 YPG last year and got half of that against Revis.

 

-----Jets Week Five vs. Fins

 

R. Williams 3/70

Ginn 2/57, 1 TD (a 59 yarder) against Revis

Fasano 4/38

Camarillo 3/33

Bess 3/18

Haynos 1/17

 

"Ginn beat Darrelle Revis and two other Jets deep, catching Henne's long pass just before crossing the goal line. It was a rare long gain by the Dolphins, who came into the game with only two completions of 20 yards or more to wide receivers."

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009101200/2...ecap-full-story

 

-----Jets Week 6 vs. Bills

 

Evans 4/68

Nelson 2/34

McIntyre 2/18

Owens 3/13 against Revis

Lynch 2/11

J. Reed 1/10

 

-----Jets Week 7 vs. Raiders

 

Murphy 4/58 against Revis

Heyward-Bey 2/28

Fargas 3/23

Stewart 1/19

Miller 2/15

Watkins 1/7

 

-----Jets Week 7 vs. Fins

 

R. Williams 2/41

Haynos 2/20

Bess 4/18

Fasano 2/16

Camarillo 1/15

R. Brown 1/2

Ginn 0/0, but was benched much of the game.

 

Revis was on him when Ginn was in. Considering the results of that game, though, the best Fin WR performance was Bess, who went 4/18, so whoever Revis was on the rest of the time got virtually nothing.

 

-----Jets Week 10 vs. Jags

 

M. Lewis 2/58

M. Sims-Walker 3/49, 1 TD against Revis

M. Thomas 4/46

T. Holt 2/24

M. Jones-Drew 2/22

Z. Miller 1/11

Dillard 1/7

Jones 1/4

 

-----Jets Week 11 vs. NE

 

Welker 15/192

Faulk 4/53

Moss 5/34, 1 TD against Revis

Edelman 3/26

Stanback 1/5

 

-----Jets Week 12 vs. Carolina

 

Rosario 4/62

Jarrett 2/43

Williams 4/10

Smith 1/5 vs. Revis

Barridge 1/4

Hoover 1/4

Muhammad 1/2

 

How often is Steve Smith fourth on the team, going 1/5? Revis had two INTs, but one was pure luck, a bounce off Smith's foot that turned into a pick-six. The other, though was a beauty, getting position on Smith and simply taking it away.

 

Funny quote on highlight on NFL Network:

 

Eisen: "He (Revis) erased Steve Smith today."

Sapp: "Jake Delhomme helped."

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009112905/2...ecap-full-story

 

 

-----Jets Week 13 vs. Bills

 

Evans 1/38

Owens 3/31 against Revis

Jackson 3/24

Lynch 1/4

Stupar 1/1

 

"Revis' interception capped another solid outing for the cornerback in the Darrelle-versus-Terrell season sequel. He limited Owens to three catches for 13 yards in their first meeting. This time, Owens managed three catches for 31 yards.

 

"I just try the best I can," Revis said. "We know he's a big-time receiver. I get that job every week." - A.P.

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2009120300/2...ecap-full-story

 

-----Jets Week 14 vs. Bucs

 

K. Winslow 4/26 against Revis

A. Bryant 2/22

Clark 3/20

Ward 2/11

Stovall 2/9

Gilmore 1/5

 

This week, Revis' man led his team. 4/26, though, is more a reflection on how well the Jets shut down the whole team.

 

-----Jets Week 15 vs. Atlanta

 

Norwood 2/47

White 4/33 against Revis

Gonzalez 3/32

Jenkins 1/20

Booker 1/8

Mughelli 2/7

Snelling 3_5

 

White averaged 72.1 YPG, totalling almost 1200 yards. Less than half his usual.

 

-----Jets Week 16 vs. Indy

 

Collie 6/94

Clark 4/57

Wayne 3/33 against Revis

Santi 1/22

Baskett 2/16

Brown 1/12

Robinson 1/2

 

Worth noting that Manning only played the first half. Also, worth noting that the other recievers had the same handicaps and Collie and Clark had pretty good days, much better than Wayne did against Revis.

 

-----Jets Week 17 vs. Cincy

 

Coles 3/19

Coats 1/12

Ochocinco 0/0 against Revis

 

"While the windy conditions greatly contributed to the misery, the lockdown efforts of Darrelle Revis on Chad Ochocinco also was key. " - Bucky Brooks

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010308/2...ets#tab:analyze

 

-----Jets Wild Card vs. Cincy

 

Coles 6/48

Ochocinco 2/28 against Revis

Cosby 3/26

Caldwell 2/25

Benson 3/12

Leonard 2/72

 

"Chad Ochocinco, blanketed by Jets Pro Bowl CB Darrelle Revis, didn't make a catch until 11:56 remained and finished with two receptions for 28 yards." - nfl.com

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010901/2...18/jets@bengals

 

"Ryan's clever use of overload blitzes off the edges was complemented by a steady diet of pressures up the middle. With Darrelle Revis throwing a blanket over Chad Ochocinco, Palmer had few options available to counter the tactics," - Bucky Brooks

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010901/2...analyze#analyze

 

-----Jets Division Championship vs. Chargers

 

V. Jackson 7/111

Gates 8/93

Floyd 3/30

Sproles 3/30

Hester 1/15

Wilson 1/13

Tolbert 1/6

Tomlinson 3/0

 

I don't know what Revis was doing in this game. He's in the highlights two times, once when he comes off the TE to stop a safety valve pass to Tomlinson for a loss, and once when he intercepts a pass to Vincent Jackson. Jackson later gets a TD and is being guarded by someone else. Also, there's nothing in the writeups about the game about Revis except for the interception. So no conclusions can be drawn.

 

 

I'll add to this over the next 12 hours or so (gotta go right now), but it's already showing what I expected. In the first two games, those star recievers, Moss and Johnson were muzzled. How often was Moss the #3 reciever for the Pats* last year?

 

 

-----Jets Conference Championship vs. Indy

 

Garcon 11/151

Collie 7/123

Wayne 3/55 against Revis

Clark 4/35

Addai 1/13

 

"While most of the pregame analysis focused on the highly-anticipated matchup between Reggie Wayne and Darrelle Revis, it was the domination of Pierre Garcon and Austin Collie in their respective battles that allowed the Colts to advance." - Bucky Brooks

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010012400/2...lts#tab:analyze

 

"With his No. 1 receiver, Reggie Wayne, blanketed by Darrelle Revis, Peyton Manning completed 22 of his 26 passes to WRs Pierre Garcon (11 catches, 151 yards) and Austin Collie (7 catches, 123 yards) and TE Dallas Clark (4 catches 35 yards). Manning finished with 377 yards passing and three touchdowns."

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010012400/2...alyze/tab:recap

 

 

Conclusions:

 

Strange how these teams stats against the Jets look so different from how they look typically. Their #1 reciever isn't #1 for the game. Weird. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Revis was covering them. The only guy covered by Revis who was the best reciever on the day was Oakland's Murphy, who went 4/58.

[Thurman#1]

Throw in pff's analysis of CBs if you still have any doubts:

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

Revis is ranked 2nd in the league (PLUS 27.4) behind Charles Woodson (28.6) in overall analysis of CB play. However, Woodson gets a huge lift from his score against the run, in which he leads the league, and in fact almost doubles the score of the #2 guy (Woodson PLUS 15.0 and Winfield PLUS 8.3 against the run).

 

Look, on the other hand, on their scores against the pass and things look quite different:

 

Revis is #1 in the league with a score against the pass of PLUS 31.0

Woodson is #2 against the pass with a score of PLUS 19.9.

 

Woodson may be better rounded, but Revis has no peers against the pass. Nobody's even close.

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

 

 

Or look at Football Outsiders.

 

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

 

Teams playing the Jets threw 7.2 passes per game to their NUMBER ONE recievers, and got 29.4 yards per game out of that #1 guy. That gave them a DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average) of 39.6% against number ones. Guess how that stacks up? The highest DVOA in the league against Number Ones.

 

Teams playing the Jets threw 6.3 passes per game to their NUMBER TWO recievers, and got 44.4 yards per game out of that #2 guy. That gave them a DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average) of 20.4% against number twos. Fewer passes and more yards for the number two recievers. A DVOA of 20.4 is 11th in the league.

 

Teams playing the Jets threw 4.9 passes per game to their OTHER recievers, and got 28.7 yards per game out of those other guys. That gave them a DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average) of 29.9% against other WRs. A DVOA of 29.9 is 3rd in the league, with Philly coming in 4th at 29.8. (Buffalo, incidentally, had the highest DVOA in the league against other WRs, with a score of 33.4%. That gives you an idea of how good our nickel corners were last year.)

 

Teams playing the Jets threw 6.4 passes per game to their TIGHT ENDS, and got 39.2 yards per game out of their TEs. That gave them a DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average) of 21.3% against TEs. A DVOA of 21.3 is 11th in the league against TEs.

 

Teams playing the Jets threw 6.0 passes per game to their RUNNING BACKS, and got 33.8 yards per game out of their RBs. That gave them a DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value Over Average) of 20.9% against TEs. A DVOA of 20.9 is 8th in the league against RBs.

 

 

In other words, they're in the top eleven in the league in DVOA against every type of reciever. Yet they are #1 in only one category, against #1 recievers. That's the category to be #1 in, isn't it?

 

Look at the passes and yardage allowed to each group. They dominated against NUMBER ONES. How does the Jets score against Number Ones compare to all DVOA scores against all recievers? In other words, take all the DVOA scores against all recievers: Number Ones, Number Twos, Other Recievers, Tight Ends and Running Backs, and put all of them in one ranking. Who has the highest score out of all of them? The Jets score against NUMBER ONES is the highest score of any defense against any position.

 

And you seriously think Revis isn't all that good? Seriously? It's not a shock, after looking at my per game stats post above, that the Jets were much better against number one recievers than the Jets were against anyone else. And Revis is the guy who covered those guys.

 

Revis is a shutdown corner.

[LongLiveRalph]

Conclusions:

 

Strange how these teams stats against the Jets look so different from how they look typically. Their #1 reciever isn't #1 for the game. Weird. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the fact that Revis was covering them. The only guy covered by Revis who was the best reciever on the day was Oakland's Murphy, who went 4/58.

 

That was a good analysis. My eye test, just watching the games and Revis's speed, agility, anticipation, and jumping ability make him without a doubt one of the top corners in the league. He wasn't 1-vs-1 at all times, but when he was, he handled himself as well as anyone in the league. An aside to that-- He was highly touted out of college as the best CB in his draft class, and the Jets drafted him in the 1st round. He's supposed to be good.

 

My conclusion: The Jets were 7-7 after 14 games, and Rex Ryan gave a press conference where he basically started crying and stated how disappointed he was that his team was going to miss out on the postseason. Then they played Indy's substitutes and Cincy's substitutes, got some help across the league, and got the wild card at 9-7. They outplayed Cincy in the playoffs, got the benefit of a lackluster SD performance, and played for the AFC title.

 

Now apparently everyone considers the Jets to be great, and Revis thinks he is worth a 1000% raise. He's not. When teams were trying to beat the Jets, even with the incredible "Revis Island", they were successful about half the time.

 

All of the WR stats you cited were pretty poor, not just a guy Revis was supposedly covering. That suggests that the Jets front 7 makes life miserable for the QB, no matter where he tries to go with the ball.

[Thurman#1]

That was a good analysis. My eye test, just watching the games and Revis's speed, agility, anticipation, and jumping ability make him without a doubt one of the top corners in the league. He wasn't 1-vs-1 at all times, but when he was, he handled himself as well as anyone in the league. An aside to that-- He was highly touted out of college as the best CB in his draft class, and the Jets drafted him in the 1st round. He's supposed to be good.

 

My conclusion: The Jets were 7-7 after 14 games, and Rex Ryan gave a press conference where he basically started crying and stated how disappointed he was that his team was going to miss out on the postseason. Then they played Indy's substitutes and Cincy's substitutes, got some help across the league, and got the wild card at 9-7. They outplayed Cincy in the playoffs, got the benefit of a lackluster SD performance, and played for the AFC title.

 

Now apparently everyone considers the Jets to be great, and Revis thinks he is worth a 1000% raise. He's not. When teams were trying to beat the Jets, even with the incredible "Revis Island", they were successful about half the time.

 

All of the WR stats you cited were pretty poor, not just a guy Revis was supposedly covering. That suggests that the Jets front 7 makes life miserable for the QB, no matter where he tries to go with the ball.

 

 

 

Good analysis yourself, LLR, and I really like your name.

 

All the wide reciever stats were pretty poor, but the key was that the other team's #1 reciever was never #1 for that game. That's the guy Revis was on.

 

One big reason the front 7 can make life miserable for the QB is that Revis is out there on an island shutting down one side of the field. That makes things much much easier for the defensive coordinator.

 

The reason they were not very good this year wasn't the defense. It was Sanchez. And he got better at the end of the year, a lot better. He played quite well in the playoffs, and he will be a second-year man this time. Look for a lot of improvement.

 

The other thing is that they upgraded personnel this year. A lot. And without Revis, they're a significantly worse team, not a little bit worse, their defense is going to take a big hit. Revis is the best CB in the league. He deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league.

 

I enjoy seeing problems on the Jets. What Bills fan wouldn't? But in the long run, Revis deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league, because that's what he is, and nobody else is really close.

[Mr. WEO]

Good analysis yourself, LLR, and I really like your name.

 

All the wide reciever stats were pretty poor, but the key was that the other team's #1 reciever was never #1 for that game. That's the guy Revis was on.

 

One big reason the front 7 can make life miserable for the QB is that Revis is out there on an island shutting down one side of the field. That makes things much much easier for the defensive coordinator.

 

The reason they were not very good this year wasn't the defense. It was Sanchez. And he got better at the end of the year, a lot better. He played quite well in the playoffs, and he will be a second-year man this time. Look for a lot of improvement.

 

The other thing is that they upgraded personnel this year. A lot. And without Revis, they're a significantly worse team, not a little bit worse, their defense is going to take a big hit. Revis is the best CB in the league. He deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league.

 

I enjoy seeing problems on the Jets. What Bills fan wouldn't? But in the long run, Revis deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league, because that's what he is, and nobody else is really close.

 

Good stuff, guys.

 

No doubt that Revis should be paid as the best CB, because he clearly is. The problem is that this position is wildly overcompensated. Look what happens when ou pay this silly money to this position. Look at Clement and Asomugha. What was the point of paying them all that money? Where was the value?

[LongLiveRalph]

One big reason the front 7 can make life miserable for the QB is that Revis is out there on an island shutting down one side of the field. That makes things much much easier for the defensive coordinator.

 

The reason they were not very good this year wasn't the defense. It was Sanchez. And he got better at the end of the year, a lot better. He played quite well in the playoffs, and he will be a second-year man this time. Look for a lot of improvement.

 

I agree on these two points especially. Revis allows Ryan's defense to attack, while the attacking defense allows Revis to play his aggressive man-to-man lock down style. Revis's presence frees up Jets safeties and LB's to be unpredictable with their pass rush and blitz schemes, which in turn creates a predictable offense as far as hot reads, outlets, etc. The offense is out of synch and uncomfortable. The success of the front 7 and the success of Revis are complementary.

 

It should be noted that Revis struggled as a rookie (as almost all rookie DB's do, even 1st round picks) and had a very average 2nd season. Only after Rex Ryan arrived and installed his defense predicated on relentless QB pressure did Revis achieve the "best CB in the league" title.

 

I agree that Sanchez's struggles had a lot to do with the Jets struggles last year, and he certainly improved his decision making as the year went on. But the defense gave up 4th quarter leads which turned into losses in several games last season, including allowing 21 4th quarter points to Miami in week 5, giving up a long drive at home in week 10 to allow Jacksonville to kick a short FG to win 24-22, and giving up a long drive and late TD at home to Atlanta in week 15 to lose 10-7. Those are situations where the #1 defense in the league has to back up their talk and bring home the win.

 

Revis is without a doubt an All Pro talent, but I think he helps the scheme, and the scheme helps him. The Jets are in a tough spot. He's got three years left on his deal. He's not worth $15M per season, nor is any other CB. Revis's only leverage is that the Jets think they're going to win the Super Bowl this year, and they need him to do it. Otherwise, the Jets would be wise to just let him sit out, and see how they do without him, at least for half the season.

[Orton's Arm]

I disagree about the DEs. DEs in a 3 - 4 don't do much pass-rushing. Bruce Smith is a freak of nature, of course, but except for him you just don't see a lot of 3 - 4 DEs getting sacks. They're there to stop the run, hold the corner on run plays and compress the pocket.

 

Take a look here:

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...seasonType=POST

 

Those are the top sackers in the league last year. Where are the first two 3 - 4 DEs on the list? Pretty far down.

 

Marcellus Wiley played at 275 pounds. Where do you find 3 - 4 DEs who weigh that these days? They're bigger, and that means they're slower and less likely to get sacks.

 

The first two guys in importance in a 3 - 4 defense are NT and ROLB. After that you can make a very good case indeed for CB, if he's extremely good and can take one side of the field out of the equation.

Before I reply to the above post, I'd like to commend you for your stellar effort at showing that Revis was indeed a shutdown CB; and that his success was not merely due to pressure from the Jets' front seven. (Not that the front seven didn't help; because clearly it did.) You did a commendable job of creating much better posts than I'm used to seeing on these boards!

 

As for your above post, I suppose one could make the argument that the importance of the RDE position in a 3-4 depends on the level of athlete you have there. If you have an "ordinary" 3-4 RDE, he's almost more like a DT in a 4-3 than he is like a DE. By that I mean that a DT in a 4-3 and an "ordinary 3-4 RDE" are both supposed to be run-stoppers first; as well as guys who can put pressure on the QB on passing downs. Neither player is necessarily supposed to come away with double-digit sacks, or anywhere close.

 

But if you have a special 3-4 DE--such as Bruce Smith--then suddenly he becomes a much bigger part of your pass rush strategy. Back when the Bills had Bruce Smith and Bryce Paup, their pass rush wasvery hard for offenses to handle, because it was almost impossible for the offense to double block both players. Had Smith been able to play in the playoff game against the Steelers, I think the Bills would have won that game.

 

More generally, I believe that, all else being equal, a 3-4 defense is significantly more likely to achieve an elite level when you have at least two very good pass rushers on the field at any one time. However, guys like that are very hard to find.

[dave mcbride]

Good analysis yourself, LLR, and I really like your name.

 

All the wide reciever stats were pretty poor, but the key was that the other team's #1 reciever was never #1 for that game. That's the guy Revis was on.

 

One big reason the front 7 can make life miserable for the QB is that Revis is out there on an island shutting down one side of the field. That makes things much much easier for the defensive coordinator.

 

The reason they were not very good this year wasn't the defense. It was Sanchez. And he got better at the end of the year, a lot better. He played quite well in the playoffs, and he will be a second-year man this time. Look for a lot of improvement.

 

The other thing is that they upgraded personnel this year. A lot. And without Revis, they're a significantly worse team, not a little bit worse, their defense is going to take a big hit. Revis is the best CB in the league. He deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league.

 

I enjoy seeing problems on the Jets. What Bills fan wouldn't? But in the long run, Revis deserves to be paid like the best CB in the league, because that's what he is, and nobody else is really close.

Excellent analyses above. I think it's worth mentioning that the Jets had the #1 defense and the #1 running game in the league, but were essentially an 8-8 team (they would have lost to Indy if Indy had kept its starters in). Why? It's all about the QB. Sanchez was horrible last year, and if your QB is bad, you're not going to win a ton of games. Despite dominance in every other category, they were essentially a .500 team. I can't think of that happening before. Just think about it - at home against a bad Bills team, they knock out the starting QB and rush *for over 300 yards*, yet still lose (in OT) because of dreadful QB play.

 

They were 31st in passing yards, 29th in passing TDs, and 28th in INTs thrown (and I think 32nd in INT percentage per passing attempt).

[San Jose Bills Fan]

Another interesting Jets factoid to add to what Dave just mentioned…if it hasn't already been mentioned.

 

They were mediocre in terms of QB sacks.

 

Their defense finished with 32 sacks…same as the Bills.

 

Kinda surprising.

[K-9]

Another interesting Jets factoid to add to what Dave just mentioned…if it hasn't already been mentioned.

 

They were mediocre in terms of QB sacks.

 

Their defense finished with 32 sacks…same as the Bills.

 

Kinda surprising.

 

That's a very interesting stat. Based on observation of their play over the season, I would have expected their sack totals to be higher.

 

Just to play Devil's advocate, is it possible the Jets faced a low number of pass attempts against, thus lowering their sack opportunities? With that running game I know they limited the oppositions' possessions per game but I'd be interested in the number of pass attempts against. Maybe I'll get around to looking at that.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[EastRochBillsfan]

The only way the Bills beat the Jets is if the Jets entire 53 man roster holds out.

 

Other than that, Revis not being in the starting lineup will do little to help the Bills.

TROLL.

[Thurman#1]

Fixed.

 

I mean come on dude, dont tell me you believe Revis was on all those recievers, that naive. Maybe those recivers have few catches is because the Jets D allowed the least number of complations in the league last year? Maybe that had few yards was because the Jets allowed the least passing yards last season? Go back and look up the #2 WRs stats, I bet they suck too. Same with the TEs.

 

I realize Revis is good and played an important part in those results, but if he had Kelsay/Maybin rushing the passer for him he would have looked a lot more average.

 

 

I'll try one more time, because you don't seem to get it. If you simply continue not getting it in your next reply, don't expect me to answer.

 

Yes, the Jets defense is all good. But it is much better in certain places.

 

Look at how all those offenses number one reciever do. They are squashed, again and again. Yeah, no recievers do great. But the number twos are unbelievably consistent at doing better than the number ones are. That's not the result of the whole Jets defense, because the whole defense doesn't play against the number one reciever. Revis does. This phenomenon is down to Revis. He takes the number one guy out of the game.

 

If you can't reply to this specific point, don't expect a reply, because you keep ignoring what I'm saying.

[Thurman#1]

really.. the NFL will be looking at lost revenues this year and probably for the foreseeable future and more Americnas lose jobs beneifts and wages...

 

the players want more but the well is drying up, and the reality is many people will be giving up spending big money to goto pro sports games... We already were having trouble spending $100 - $400 to goto the games and I doubt the majority can afford more...

 

 

 

And yet all the games sell out and the cap (which is nothing but the total of the TV money) goes up every year.

 

When the cap starts going down, the players will have to take hits. Till then, why should they?

[Thurman#1]

Good stuff, guys.

 

No doubt that Revis should be paid as the best CB, because he clearly is. The problem is that this position is wildly overcompensated. Look what happens when ou pay this silly money to this position. Look at Clement and Asomugha. What was the point of paying them all that money? Where was the value?

 

 

 

No position can shine when everybody else on a team sucks. That's a fact of life. Look at Archie Manning. Look at LeeRoy Selmon. I'm sure you can come up with a million examples yourself. Same is true for Clement and Asomugha. But if you have a team which is pretty solid across the board (and the Jets qualify on defense), suddenly individuals can shine.

 

GMs aren't idiots. They wouldn't have paid CBs so much if they weren't important.

 

Look at Rod Woodson. He was worth every penny they paid him, a major reason that team won SBs. Deion too.

 

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Here's the data on franchise player and transition player salaries from a Pasquarelli article from Jan. 2010.

 

"The franchise levels for 2010 are: $16.405 million for quarterbacks; $8.156 million for running backs; $9.521 million for wide receivers; $5.908 million for tight ends; $10.731 million for offensive linemen; $12.398 million for defensive ends; $7.003 million for defensive tackles; $9.680 million for linebackers; $6.455 million for safeties; $9.566 million for cornerbacks; and $2.814 million for punters and kickers.

 

"For transition players they are: $14.546 million for quarterbacks; $7.151 million for running backs; $8.651 million for wide receivers; $5.248 million for tight ends; $9.142 million for offensive linemen; $10.193 million for defensive ends; $6.353 million for defensive tackles; $8.673 million for linebackers; $6.011 million for safeties; $8.056 million for cornerbacks; and $2.629 million for punters and kickers."

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4872490

 

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It's quite clear from the data that the salaries form an exact picture of which position are most important in football. QBs are #1. QB pass rushers (DEs) are number two (and the top linebacker salaries are all made by 3-4 pass rushers). The guys who protect the QB are #3 (the top OL salaries are virtually all made by LTs). That's the order of the salaries, and everybody knows that's the order of importance.

 

CBs are next. For a reason.

[Thurman#1]

It should be noted that Revis struggled as a rookie (as almost all rookie DB's do, even 1st round picks) and had a very average 2nd season. Only after Rex Ryan arrived and installed his defense predicated on relentless QB pressure did Revis achieve the "best CB in the league" title.

 

Revis is without a doubt an All Pro talent, but I think he helps the scheme, and the scheme helps him. The Jets are in a tough spot. He's got three years left on his deal. He's not worth $15M per season, nor is any other CB. Revis's only leverage is that the Jets think they're going to win the Super Bowl this year, and they need him to do it. Otherwise, the Jets would be wise to just let him sit out, and see how they do without him, at least for half the season.

 

 

I agree with your last paragraph here. Dead on. Revis and the scheme are complimentary.

 

But several people have said that Revis wasn't good as a first-year guy and was average in his second year. I totally disagree, and pff backs me up. Revis was already above average as a rookie, and in his second year was elite.

 

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.ph...&numgames=1

 

That's the pff data for CBs for 2008, Revis' second year. Overall, he's listed as third in the league, and second when evaluated on coverage skills alone.

 

Here's the data for 2007, his rookie year. Hmmm, the data as I look at it shows just what I thought, he's above average, 35th out of 96 and had a positive score, though not a big one. POSITIVE 0.9. They grade so that a score of zero is average. He was above average, though not high above average. When graded on coverage skills alone as a rookie, he moved up a bit, to 32nd and a score of POSITIVE 1.6.

 

Yeah, the defense helps him and he helps the defense. But as a rookie, he was above average and as a second year man he was extremely good, even without Ryan's defense.