more on Schobel

[Beerball]

So you propose we pay him 6 million dollars this year to ride the pine?

can't answer for the OP, but...It's not my money so that's exactly what I propose.

 

Let him go for nothing and then watch him promptly sign elsewhere? No thank you.

[Captain Caveman]

can't answer for the OP, but...It's not my money so that's exactly what I propose.

 

Let him go for nothing and then watch him promptly sign elsewhere? No thank you.

 

Spend that $6 mil on someone else who will help the team? Yes, please, thank you.

[Niagara Bill]

Nix knows what game Schobel has been playing.

What do you expect him to do?

He is forcing him to wait as long as he can so he has less of s chance of getting on another team.

Schobel has been lying since day one and if you blame this on the Bills you are nutts.

 

I hope Nix plays as dirty as he can and then gets a draft choice..7th rounder would be more than enough...

 

Schobel is a lying gutless guy... he sure teaches his kids well !!!

[Doc]

It will be interesting to see if he reports, because if he does and passes a physical, he gets that $2M roster bonus (it's guaranteed). Then it will be interesting to see if they can find a trade partner, although that seems unlikely. And if they can't, it makes much more sense to keep him, since cutting him wastes that $2M and gives him what he wants. Keeping him forces him to either show up and play or retire, at which point they can go after the unamortized portion of his signing bonus, which will recoup that $2M roster bonus many times over.

[PDaDdy]

let me put this as politely as possible, as you've been going on and on and on about things you know absolutely nothing about, which leads me to believe that you are either drunk, delusional, and very likely a danger to yourself and others.

you've turned a thread about Aaron Schobel into some psycho-crazed commentary filled with capital-letter rants and far-fetched assumptions that do nothing to further your point, unless, of course, it is your intention to expose yourself as a crank and full-fledged baloney-babbler, and actually take seriously the thoughts that make the slow leak from brain to fingers and on to this board.

 

please prove me wrong by simply stopping. that way you'll be relieved of the weight of having to dump your waste upon us, and also allow us to pursue an actual discussion to its logical conclusion without having to wade through all this, well, crap.

 

sincerely,

 

jw

 

Jw it is a shame that you have completely and totally missed my point. Your assertions are ridiculous and you are apparently trying to stir up some controversy on my comments on this subject. Unlike many of my other posts, my comments were calm, cool, collected and not rant filled. Unlike most of my posts I also attempted to show both sides and look at the situation objectively. That subject is too important and volatile for such careless tactics. "Danger to myself and others?" "Crank?" "Psycho?" I can only imagine your slew of personal attacks was meant as an attempt to discredit the messenger making a comment on a very serious subject. I would assert that you sir "are the problem" attempting to discredit any anyone that dares to speak to such an important and often misused topic in our country.

[Gabe Northern]

Just wanted to say that it's not $8 mill at this point. Schobel already got paid a $2 mill bonus in March. From now, he will be paid only his salary, which is $6.025 mill as per rotoworld.

 

That's not true. He was not paid the $2 million in March because he did not take his physical.

[dave mcbride]

Looks like the original post may turn out to be correct. Just sayin'.

[Hplarrm]

i've read through this several times. and the only thing about it that's in any way accurate is that Jason Peters is an LT (that is if you are referring to left tackle) and the Bills have an FO (front office).

other than spelling, nothing else is correct in this far-fetched and ultra-speculative post as far as what i know, have reported and others have reported.

 

 

jw

I am happy to bow to your more correct research and memory as I think (or at least do this for pay rather than amusement as I do and have more time) as my memory grows less reliable as the years pass. However my foggy memory is that the order of activities here were:

 

1. Peters gets signed UDFA and cut and PS'ed. However, interest from other teams willing to sign him and add him to their active roster as is required for PS pick-ups forces the Bills to activate him or risk losing him.

 

2. The Bills activate Peters and attempt to use him as a 3rd TE but he proves to be either so excited or braindead he gets a penalty for playing TE with an OL # and not informing the refs. This is important as the # he has indicates that Mouse MacNally already has him tabbed as an OL player but he needs convincing that this is his best route to stardom and big bucks. Peters proves unblockable on ST (even blocking a punt and recovering for a TD and in conjunction with play in a real game and his career begins to take shape.

 

3. Peters relatively quickly picks up the RT position and forces his way on to the field with his superior play. Schobel meanwhile has already signed a rich extension to make him a Bill for a while at a pretty good pay level as he showed great determination as a rookie and likely was gonna be a double digit sack producer each year. He was fairly weak at the point of attack as a rookie (I remember him getting pancaked on one endzone run and the other side scored, but he improved his technique and improved how he used his strength so that he was better against the run while at the same time losing weight so he could do the DE job in the LeBeau/Gray's run blitz.

 

4. Kelsay signs an extension well after Schobel re-uped and the Kelsay extension was undeserved by his play in the eyes of most (except the FO and only their opinion counts). Schobel lets it be known (though there is no public hissy fit I remember that he is clearly the best DL on this team and should be compensated as such. It was then that he fails to appear at voluntary OTAS but the Bills FO rolls over quite quickly and he gets another rich extension though he is under contract.

 

5. Peters meanwhile signs a richer deal than most ever imagined as he is clearly the starting RT.

 

6. The Mike Williams reign of error begins to come to an official end as they try him at guard after he was an up and down performer at LT with a ton of psych work by JMac having to be done to get what they got out of him. Peters moves into the LT role and not only does the job but in fact wins the Pro Bowl popularity contest.

 

7. It is then I remember (perhaps falsely and I am happy for it to be demonstrated I am wrong if anyone wants to take the time) Peters and his agent Parker pursuing the Schoble model in the hopes that the Bills FO will roll over and extend a player under contract when conditions change. In my mind both Schobel and Peters were big boys when they signed their original deals and a case could be made they should have player for the huge sums they earned and not have required even huger sums to play a boys game.

 

Ironically, I think Peters actually has the better case if my recollection is not to Alzheimery as he signed an RT contract and actually became to the surprise of most the starting LT and was good enough even to win the Pro Bowl popularity contest (it by no means is a definitive measure of great play but also achieving it should not be totally ignored as though it is not a perfect or even great measure it is a good measure of good play).

 

At any rate, the Bills FO did draw a line not to pay Peters what the market was paying Pro Bowl LTs because Peters was fool enough to agree to an RT contract. However, the FO really screwed up badly when just as they overpaid Kelsay when Schobel was demonstrably better they overpaid the afterwards cut Dockery and Walker. I can easily see why Peters was cheesed about being the third best paid OL player when he is the only OL player to even sniff the Pro Bowl.

 

Even more ridiculous is that the Bills FO drew a line and decided not to pay Peters, but then rolled over and gave him exactly what he wanted by shipping him to Philly with him getting the LT deal he wanted. Meanwhile the Bills are left with the sorting between Bell, Meredith, and the now injured Wang for an LT.

 

Like, I said, I am happy to bow to your superior research skills (though I am quite impressed that my speeling was good since I often do TSW stuff while listening for my part in conference calls to come up with folks on different timezones than I). Did Schobel in fact get an extension and raise after Kelsay got signed? Did Schobel miss any voluntary workouts just prior to his extension? If not, my apologies and I stand corrected. One of the advantages of not doing this for pay is that even when wrong no harm no foul.

[NoSaint]

It will be interesting to see if he reports, because if he does and passes a physical, he gets that $2M roster bonus (it's guaranteed). Then it will be interesting to see if they can find a trade partner, although that seems unlikely. And if they can't, it makes much more sense to keep him, since cutting him wastes that $2M and gives him what he wants. Keeping him forces him to either show up and play or retire, at which point they can go after the unamortized portion of his signing bonus, which will recoup that $2M roster bonus many times over.

 

 

or he shows up 3 weeks late to camp, tries to play a position he has no qualifications for, in a defense he knows little about and the team has paid him 8 million for nothing. being willing to play does not equate to being the best option.

[Delete This Account]

I am happy to bow to your more correct research and memory as I think (or at least do this for pay rather than amusement as I do and have more time) as my memory grows less reliable as the years pass. However my foggy memory is that the order of activities here were:

 

1. Peters gets signed UDFA and cut and PS'ed. However, interest from other teams willing to sign him and add him to their active roster as is required for PS pick-ups forces the Bills to activate him or risk losing him.

 

2. The Bills activate Peters and attempt to use him as a 3rd TE but he proves to be either so excited or braindead he gets a penalty for playing TE with an OL # and not informing the refs. This is important as the # he has indicates that Mouse MacNally already has him tabbed as an OL player but he needs convincing that this is his best route to stardom and big bucks. Peters proves unblockable on ST (even blocking a punt and recovering for a TD and in conjunction with play in a real game and his career begins to take shape.

 

3. Peters relatively quickly picks up the RT position and forces his way on to the field with his superior play. Schobel meanwhile has already signed a rich extension to make him a Bill for a while at a pretty good pay level as he showed great determination as a rookie and likely was gonna be a double digit sack producer each year. He was fairly weak at the point of attack as a rookie (I remember him getting pancaked on one endzone run and the other side scored, but he improved his technique and improved how he used his strength so that he was better against the run while at the same time losing weight so he could do the DE job in the LeBeau/Gray's run blitz.

 

4. Kelsay signs an extension well after Schobel re-uped and the Kelsay extension was undeserved by his play in the eyes of most (except the FO and only their opinion counts). Schobel lets it be known (though there is no public hissy fit I remember that he is clearly the best DL on this team and should be compensated as such. It was then that he fails to appear at voluntary OTAS but the Bills FO rolls over quite quickly and he gets another rich extension though he is under contract.

 

5. Peters meanwhile signs a richer deal than most ever imagined as he is clearly the starting RT.

 

6. The Mike Williams reign of error begins to come to an official end as they try him at guard after he was an up and down performer at LT with a ton of psych work by JMac having to be done to get what they got out of him. Peters moves into the LT role and not only does the job but in fact wins the Pro Bowl popularity contest.

 

7. It is then I remember (perhaps falsely and I am happy for it to be demonstrated I am wrong if anyone wants to take the time) Peters and his agent Parker pursuing the Schoble model in the hopes that the Bills FO will roll over and extend a player under contract when conditions change. In my mind both Schobel and Peters were big boys when they signed their original deals and a case could be made they should have player for the huge sums they earned and not have required even huger sums to play a boys game.

 

Ironically, I think Peters actually has the better case if my recollection is not to Alzheimery as he signed an RT contract and actually became to the surprise of most the starting LT and was good enough even to win the Pro Bowl popularity contest (it by no means is a definitive measure of great play but also achieving it should not be totally ignored as though it is not a perfect or even great measure it is a good measure of good play).

 

At any rate, the Bills FO did draw a line not to pay Peters what the market was paying Pro Bowl LTs because Peters was fool enough to agree to an RT contract. However, the FO really screwed up badly when just as they overpaid Kelsay when Schobel was demonstrably better they overpaid the afterwards cut Dockery and Walker. I can easily see why Peters was cheesed about being the third best paid OL player when he is the only OL player to even sniff the Pro Bowl.

 

Even more ridiculous is that the Bills FO drew a line and decided not to pay Peters, but then rolled over and gave him exactly what he wanted by shipping him to Philly with him getting the LT deal he wanted. Meanwhile the Bills are left with the sorting between Bell, Meredith, and the now injured Wang for an LT.

 

Like, I said, I am happy to bow to your superior research skills (though I am quite impressed that my speeling was good since I often do TSW stuff while listening for my part in conference calls to come up with folks on different timezones than I). Did Schobel in fact get an extension and raise after Kelsay got signed? Did Schobel miss any voluntary workouts just prior to his extension? If not, my apologies and I stand corrected. One of the advantages of not doing this for pay is that even when wrong no harm no foul.

i would rather gouge my eyes out with rusty thumbtacks than to spend the hours it would take to respond and correct what's been written above.

see, there's this thing, called the interweb or something, which you might want to refer to in your research. though i'd suggest you don't rely solely on what's been written on this board.

 

jw

[tennesseeboy]

Given Nix's putting himself in a position where he has told the other teams in the league that he doesn't want schobel here and he doesn't think Schobel is a valuable trade opportunity, most teams would just wait for the inevitable cut and go after him. Nix has pissed away a trade opportunity.

[Rob's House]

Looks like the original post may turn out to be correct. Just sayin'.

 

Sadly it appears you are right. I have to remind myself it's just a game or I might become sick. To let your best pass rusher go for nothing is just unfathomable.

[Hplarrm]

i would rather gouge my eyes out with rusty thumbtacks than to spend the hours it would take to respond and correct what's been written above.

see, there's this thing, called the interweb or something, which you might want to refer to in your research. though i'd suggest you don't rely solely on what's been written on this board.

 

jw

The Bills FO is actually in a difficult position. In the end, they are a business and one of the old saws that has some truth in it if one wants to remain a viable business is the customer is always right. Since perception is often reality, the Bills as a sound business needs to treat the perceptions written on this board as right (even if they might be incorrect).

 

This is one of the reasons why we fans depend on the media to maintain a healthy dose of skepticism about what the business of the FO says because in order to remain a viable business they too often will need to treat perception as reality even when perception is incorrect.

 

By maintaining a healthy skepticism toward what ever line the FO is selling this week we can find our way toward truth if the media does a good job of helping folks understand the truth.

 

I fully understand why one would not want to take the time to correct the record of the timeline on specific points. Even if one is getting compensated it can be tacks in the eye work.

 

It actually does not make a ton of difference in this case actually anyway as it seems pretty clear that the perception of most Bills fans is now that Schobel is a jerk the way he has gone back and forth on retirement and being a Bill. e is in an entertainment business and the perception from most fans is that he is a jerk and pretty much there fore he is.

 

As far as the FO goes, the perception is built on an 0 for the decade record of making the playoffs and the perception is correct also that they are jerks.

 

So say most customers IMHO and until they start winning the customer is right on this one.