more on Schobel

[PDaDdy]

I don't have an issue with Schobel wanting to play for another team. The guy has been very loyal for Buffalo for 9 seasons. I want the guy to try and play 1 more year for us but if he wants to move on I think we have to just let him go. BUT we need to try and trade him and work something out between the two parties so that 1- Schobel gets to play for a good team and gets a legit chance to win. 2- Schobel plays for a team outside out division and that we control his landing spot 3- So that we get something back in return even if its only a late round pick.

 

The best way would be to make it so that Schobel works out a renegotiation of his deal with the Texans (Lets say he takes less about the same amount of money he would have signed for if he was released) and then the Bills trade him to the Texans for a 6th or 7th round pick. We get something for him as well as controlling were he goes and the Texans and Schobel get what they want as well.

 

Loyal players continue to want to play for the team that drafted them. The only way we could POSSIBLY get anything for Schobel is if Nix sticks to his guns and doesn't release him. This unfortunately means they would potentially have to pay $8 mil in dead weight for a useless player who doesn't have clue one about the 3 - 4 defense. It also assumes that some team would actually trade us something for a guy they expect to be released any day.

[PDaDdy]

Crying racism when it isn't warranted only creates a backlash from many folks who wouldn't normally view an issue through a racial or cultural lens.

You are part of the problem.

 

I'm not crying it. I am honestly part of the solution. Smart/nice people try to ignore it. Dumb people embrace it and are devious about it as it is no longer as socially acceptable as it was just 50 years ago. I have heard your point before. Sometimes it is valid. The mere mention of the word racism is now a bad thing. I agree so many times the "card" is so improperly played it is frustrating and shameful. The point however is that the phenomena still exists even though some claim it all too easily and frequently. Believe me, I DO NOT MENTION IT LIGHTLY. I feel that there is the potential that this is a difference maker for some.

 

An analogous statement would be. You're not paranoid if the really are out to get you. A poor choice of words perhaps but I hope the concept is not lost on you. It does exists. The complaint is made too often. Sometimes though it is completely warranted. Is it in this case? I don't know. I merely posed the possibility that this could be playing into the decision of some.

[Bill from NYC]

Then I ask in all sincerity....why are you still here? If this team is so evil at the top and incompetent on down, why hang out and torture yourself. It's almost like you enjoy it.

 

PTR

 

That is a fair question Promo, one that many of us probably ask ourselves.

 

In my case it comes down to loyalty to the team, WNY, and most of all Bills Fans. I think that we deserve more than to witness the same mistakes over and over. Now, a case can be made that we let our 3 most talented players walk away basically because they felt like doing so.

 

I ain't goin' anywhere in terms of being a Bills Fan. It's way too late, and a part of me even believes we will win it all some day. I hope we are both around to see it.

[Bill from NYC]

I have a suspicion, but I can't determine with 100% certainty, why the guy gets a pass from some who want to make excuses and don't call it what it is. For shame! Sometimes when I think about the possible reasons for why this guy gets a pass and others are vilified I lose some faith in human nature.

 

Is this in any way directed at me?

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I'm not crying it. I am honestly part of the solution. Smart/nice people try to ignore it. Dumb people embrace it and are devious about it as it is no longer as socially acceptable as it was just 50 years ago. I have heard your point before. Sometimes it is valid. The mere mention of the word racism is now a bad thing. I agree so many times the "card" is so improperly played it is frustrating and shameful. The point however is that the phenomena still exists even though some claim it all too easily and frequently. Believe me, I DO NOT MENTION IT LIGHTLY. I feel that there is the potential that this is a difference maker for some.

 

An analogous statement would be. You're not paranoid if the really are out to get you. A poor choice of words perhaps but I hope the concept is not lost on you. It does exists. The complaint is made too often. Sometimes though it is completely warranted. Is it in this case? I don't know. I merely posed the possibility that this could be playing into the decision of some.

let me put this as politely as possible, as you've been going on and on and on about things you know absolutely nothing about, which leads me to believe that you are either drunk, delusional, and very likely a danger to yourself and others.

you've turned a thread about Aaron Schobel into some psycho-crazed commentary filled with capital-letter rants and far-fetched assumptions that do nothing to further your point, unless, of course, it is your intention to expose yourself as a crank and full-fledged baloney-babbler, and actually take seriously the thoughts that make the slow leak from brain to fingers and on to this board.

 

please prove me wrong by simply stopping. that way you'll be relieved of the weight of having to dump your waste upon us, and also allow us to pursue an actual discussion to its logical conclusion without having to wade through all this, well, crap.

 

sincerely,

 

jw

[Hossage]

John, I agree with everything Pdaddy has said. If you dont agree with him, that doesnt make a psycho.

[Meathead]

for the record lets clearly define this one way or another - are you or are you not saying race played a factor in any way in the schobel situation?

[Bill from NYC]

for the record lets clearly define this one way or another - are you or are you not saying race played a factor in any way in the schobel situation?

 

Who are you asking?

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John, I agree with everything Pdaddy has said. If you dont agree with him, that doesnt make a psycho.

cheap shot alert: sure, but you likely heard it third-hand.

 

jw

[Hossage]

It was second hand from an awfully reliable source, but I called it third hand.

 

Yeah, John, this is awkward. Anyway...

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It was second hand from an awfully reliable source, but I called it third hand.

 

Yeah, John, this is awkward. Anyway...

well, given what you apparently know on the Schobel front, you've picked the pdadDy pony to back by agreeing, and i quote, with "everything" he's said. good luck with that.

i'll go with what i know.

 

jw

 

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[Hplarrm]

Uh, when did the Schobel thing become a money issue? Or was he holding out for more money but didn't tell anyone but you? I appreciate you hate Ralph but please at least attempt to maintain some logic when harping on the old goat.

 

PTR

I agree with you that this retirement talk by Schobel was not about money. Schobel already turned the screws on the Bills by siting out a bunch of voluntary practices when the Bills overpaid Kelsay. The FO caved in the face of this Schobel hissy fit which is part of the reason he is due $8 million this year when most feel he is not worth it.

 

My sense is that this back and forth is about Schobel wanting to experience some playoff success as part of his career and that money has little to do with this situation.

[Hplarrm]

Precedent was set by Clements and Peters. If one plays well, they can go. And, we have a 92 year old man calling the shots with the bottom line being how much money he makes. Winning games is less important.

 

But again, we will get through this as well because we are the best fans in America.

Actually I think it was Schobel who set a precedent for Peters. Schobel was correctly not pleased when the Bills overpaid Chris Kelsay and let the team know through back channels he was displeased and then he refused to participate in any of the voluntary off-season workouts.

 

The Bills FO caved and even though Schobel was under contract and had just been given a significant raise, the Bills gave him a new deal.

 

Peters saw how the Bills caved to this Pro Bowler and then when he not only was promoted to starting LT (his new contract was for starting RT money) Peters then tried the same OTA maneuvers.

 

The FO did not repeat their rolling over that they did for Schobel. However, I think a rational person needs to give Peters and his agent Parker credit because they stuck to their guns, Peters won another Pro Bowl nod and then the Bills FO caved to his demands by trading him so he got everything he asked for in a contract.

 

My sense is the Clements situation was not a precedent since MC was not under contract when the FO rolled over for him and promised not to franchise him. As far as Peters who set the precedent was the other way around.

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Actually I think it was Schobel who set a precedent for Peters. Schobel was correctly not pleased when the Bills overpaid Chris Kelsay and let the team know through back channels he was displeased and then he refused to participate in any of the voluntary off-season workouts.

 

The Bills FO caved and even though Schobel was under contract and had just been given a significant raise, the Bills gave him a new deal.

 

Peters saw how the Bills caved to this Pro Bowler and then when he not only was promoted to starting LT (his new contract was for starting RT money) Peters then tried the same OTA maneuvers.

 

The FO did not repeat their rolling over that they did for Schobel. However, I think a rational person needs to give Peters and his agent Parker credit because they stuck to their guns, Peters won another Pro Bowl nod and then the Bills FO caved to his demands by trading him so he got everything he asked for in a contract.

 

My sense is the Clements situation was not a precedent since MC was not under contract when the FO rolled over for him and promised not to franchise him. As far as Peters who set the precedent was the other way around.

i've read through this several times. and the only thing about it that's in any way accurate is that Jason Peters is an LT (that is if you are referring to left tackle) and the Bills have an FO (front office).

other than spelling, nothing else is correct in this far-fetched and ultra-speculative post as far as what i know, have reported and others have reported.

 

 

jw

[....lybob]

Actually I think it was Schobel who set a precedent for Peters. Schobel was correctly not pleased when the Bills overpaid Chris Kelsay and let the team know through back channels he was displeased and then he refused to participate in any of the voluntary off-season workouts.

 

The Bills FO caved and even though Schobel was under contract and had just been given a significant raise, the Bills gave him a new deal.

 

Peters saw how the Bills caved to this Pro Bowler and then when he not only was promoted to starting LT (his new contract was for starting RT money) Peters then tried the same OTA maneuvers.

 

The FO did not repeat their rolling over that they did for Schobel. However, I think a rational person needs to give Peters and his agent Parker credit because they stuck to their guns, Peters won another Pro Bowl nod and then the Bills FO caved to his demands by trading him so he got everything he asked for in a contract.

 

My sense is the Clements situation was not a precedent since MC was not under contract when the FO rolled over for him and promised not to franchise him. As far as Peters who set the precedent was the other way around.

That's how I remember it- but maybe we are victims of mass delusions .

[Thurman#1]

There are 53 roster spots and five inactives every game. Despite what coaches repeatedly say, every team has guys who are functionally useless and never play. There's no reason he can't be one of those guys.

 

 

 

I can think of 6.025 million reasons.

 

You don't spend that kind of money out of spite or to teach a guy a lesson.

 

Personally, I expect Schobel will either retire or the Bills will let him go very late in training camp when it will be hard (but not impossible) for other teams to blend him into the mix. With a 20% chance of a trade for a 7th or if we're lucky, a 6th round pick.

[Thurman#1]

It's not unreasonable to think there's a correlation between the Spiller negotiations and the decision to cut ties with Schobel. Ralph is going to have to come up with $20 million in guarantees and about $7 million per year to pay Spiller. Saving $8 million could go a long way to end the impasse.

 

Moreover, one could make the argument that they never intended to pay Schobel the $8 million and only made the decision public once he started looking for housing in WNY. It did seem strange that this was decided just as he seemed likely to play for the first time since January and was told he'd be released if showed up at St John Fisher (per JW).

 

 

Just wanted to say that it's not $8 mill at this point. Schobel already got paid a $2 mill bonus in March. From now, he will be paid only his salary, which is $6.025 mill as per rotoworld.

[Jeffery Lester]

He'll be released, and they'll get nothing. That's my prediction. And it could've been done differently. If they were not inclined to pay him this year, why not try to trade him before the draft, when his value would've been at its highest? There is a good chance that at least a few 4-3 teams out there would've been interested. And the organization IS a joke. Yet another player plays chicken with the Bills and wins, and this time the Bills get nothing. You think it's a coincidence that Schobel all of a sudden today wants to keep playing football, after the Bills tell him they're "moving on" (whatever the hell that means)? Not a chance - Schobel knew exactly how to get exactly what he wanted, and he got it. Just like Peters.

 

And IMO all of this begs the question of why the Bills insisted on the 3-4 switch this year, without the players to fit that system. A more cynical mind might suggest that it was party of the "new" front office's longevity scheme - a brand-new defense without the players to run it is a ready made excuse when the team doesn't perform. As is failing to draft a franchise QB, or a LT to protect him...

 

Did you know that the Bills' ILB coach has never coached in a 3-4 defense? That the Bills' QB coach has never coached professional 4-down football?

 

I'll repeat: this organization is a sick joke.

Then go route for a different team if that is how you truly feel. Or do you just get off on trying to put people down. The front office put in excuses why the team did will not do well. When they win this year do not cheer for them. Just remember what a joke they are. And convince yourself why you should not be a fan of this team.

[Captain Caveman]

There are 53 roster spots and five inactives every game. Despite what coaches repeatedly say, every team has guys who are functionally useless and never play. There's no reason he can't be one of those guys.

 

So you propose we pay him 6 million dollars this year to ride the pine?

[Captain Caveman]

Just wanted to say that it's not $8 mill at this point. Schobel already got paid a $2 mill bonus in March. From now, he will be paid only his salary, which is $6.025 mill as per rotoworld.

 

He didn't get paid the $2 million bonus because he never showed up for his physical. If he shows up now, I don't know if he can still claim that bonus, so it may still just be 6 mil this year.