Lv-Bills Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 I just dont understand something...where does the optimism come from with Trent Edwards? Seriously, I cant find a single thing he has done since high school to have the kind of "potential" label and optimism placed on him like it does on this board. I mean even comparison threads to playes elite QBs like Brees come up for him, but his college career was bad and so is his NFL career... So I decided to dig a little bit to see what I was missing. Turns out it just got worse...here are some overlooked facts about Trent...seriously, read these as they are not very encouraging to say the least... Only had more TD's than INTs just ONCE in college (17-7) Only had more TD's than INTS's just ONCE in NFL (11-10) Only had more than 11 TD's in a season ONCE since HIGH SCHOOL Only had a 300 yard game ONCE since HIGH SCHOOL Has ZERO winning seasons since HIGH SCHOOL Has ZERO .500 seasons since High School Has thrown for more than 1 TD only 15 times since HIGH SCHOOL (6 of those were in 1 season at Stanford) Has alomost the same number of games with more than 1 turnover (14 times) in that same span Has ZERO seasons without injury since High School Stanford won just 1 game his last year, and it a game he did NOT play in due to injury. Serous question...where on Earth does the "potential" come from? Why does this guy who was not good in college or the NFL get so many excuses made for him and then players like Lee Evans who were studs in college and started off great in the NFL (until he started catching passes from Trent) get slammed for not catching more imginary passes that dont get thrown to him by this inept QB? Is it the Bill Walsh endorsement? I mean Walsh is the same guy who said Jim Drunkenmiller would be the next great SF QB and that JJ Stokes was going to be the next Rice (even trading up for him)...I mean, he had a great eye and was one of the best, but he was wrong plenty of times. Not to mention had been away from football for a while when he endorsed Trent. Never have I ever seen someone survive so loooonnnnggg on their high school hype, becaue I cant find anything to warrant it from his college career nor NFL career thus far. Correct me if I'm wrong. But Trent played for, at the time, the worst program in the Pac 10. And then, we was "lucky" enough to get drafted by one of the worst teams in the NFL. Not that he made either any better, but those two programs didnt do him any favors either.
DarthICE Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Just to add some fairness and balance to the discussion (because up to now, there has been none), one of the reasons why Trent Edwards is still highly regarded is the following (and quarterbacks who excelled in high school carry that advantage with them for a long time): "Trent Edwards was a highly-rated recruit from Los Gatos High School and was ranked as the #1 pro-style quarterback by USA Today in 2001.[1] Rivals rated Edwards as the #2 pro-style quarterback and #20 player overall in its rankings.[2] He was recruited by Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame and Tennessee, but ultimately chose Stanford. In his junior and senior seasons at Los Gatos, he led the team to two undefeated seasons and back-to-back Central Coast Section Division III championships. In his senior year, he completed 154 of 213 passes for 2,535 yards, 29 touchdowns, three interceptions, and was named as a National Football Foundation Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete for Santa Clara County." The other factor that has to be mentioned in fairness (if anyone is concerned about fairness) is that at Stanford as with the Buffalo Bills, Trent Edwards has played under inarguably inept and incompetent regimes. You may now return to the regularly scheduled bashing. Yeah lets talk about all of those rival highly rated QB's shall we? How many actually panned out? There is a top 5 every year so where are they? If they were so !@#$ing good then wouldn't the NFL be full of great QB's? Bottom line he sucks. He wasn't that great in HS, Sucked in College and Sucks in the NFL.
marsadale Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Yeah lets talk about all of those rival highly rated QB's shall we? How many actually panned out? There is a top 5 every year so where are they? If they were so !@#$ing good then wouldn't the NFL be full of great QB's? Bottom line he sucks. He wasn't that great in HS, Sucked in College and Sucks in the NFL. and he still wont return your emails?
Alphadawg7 Posted July 26, 2010 Author Posted July 26, 2010 Just to add some fairness and balance to the discussion (because up to now, there has been none), one of the reasons why Trent Edwards is still highly regarded is the following (and quarterbacks who excelled in high school carry that advantage with them for a long time): "Trent Edwards was a highly-rated recruit from Los Gatos High School and was ranked as the #1 pro-style quarterback by USA Today in 2001.[1] Rivals rated Edwards as the #2 pro-style quarterback and #20 player overall in its rankings.[2] He was recruited by Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame and Tennessee, but ultimately chose Stanford. In his junior and senior seasons at Los Gatos, he led the team to two undefeated seasons and back-to-back Central Coast Section Division III championships. In his senior year, he completed 154 of 213 passes for 2,535 yards, 29 touchdowns, three interceptions, and was named as a National Football Foundation Hall of Fame Scholar-Athlete for Santa Clara County." The other factor that has to be mentioned in fairness (if anyone is concerned about fairness) is that at Stanford as with the Buffalo Bills, Trent Edwards has played under inarguably inept and incompetent regimes. You may now return to the regularly scheduled bashing. That was my point...he has lived on the high school hype through everything while producing very little on the field. Thats why I dont get. There are dozens of these kind of recruits at every position every year and some go on to have success and some dont. I have never seen someone live on their high school resume as long as him.
Tonawanda Troy Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 You are right on man, I have been saying Trent is not the answer since I first saw him play. The guy is a good back up at best,I believe I called him a clipboard holder a couple years ago and got a bunch of you guys panties in a wad. He will never be great, Losman looks better than him!
Bagel Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Yeah lets talk about all of those rival highly rated QB's shall we? How many actually panned out? There is a top 5 every year so where are they? If they were so !@#$ing good then wouldn't the NFL be full of great QB's? Bottom line he sucks. He wasn't that great in HS, Sucked in College and Sucks in the NFL. I am perplexed by your oft repeated comment that Trent “sucked” in college. It’s no secret that Trent played on some horrific teams at Stanford. He had a lousy offensive line and, even worse, questionable targets. I remember one game where Trent’s starting WRs were both walk-ons. One local columnist suggested that Trent sue Stanford for lack of support. Despite that, Trent was first team freshman all Pac-10 and ranks in the top 10 for Stanford in career yards, completions and touchdowns. He was also team captain and team MVP. Admittedly, his college statistics were good, not great. But for those of us who actually watched him play at Stanford, I submit that Trent was an excellent college player.
CarolinaBill Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Correct me if I'm wrong. But Trent played for, at the time, the worst program in the Pac 10. And then, we was "lucky" enough to get drafted by one of the worst teams in the NFL. Not that he made either any better, but those two programs didnt do him any favors either. correct me if I'm wrong but he CHOSE to go to the worst program in the Pac-10, did he not?
Sig1Hunter Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 correct me if I'm wrong but he CHOSE to go to the worst program in the Pac-10, did he not? He sure did. He must have realized that football isn't everything and wanted to get that Stanford education. Shame on him!
Bagel Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 correct me if I'm wrong but he CHOSE to go to the worst program in the Pac-10, did he not? To be fair, Trent did not choose to go to the worst program in the Pac-10. During Trent's senior year of high school Stanford went 9-3, playing in the Aloha Bowl. This turned out to be Ty Willingham's last year at Stanford (where he compiled a 44-36 record). I don't think anyone could have predicted the disaster that was the Buddy Teevens/Walt Harris era.
CarolinaBill Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 He sure did. He must have realized that football isn't everything and wanted to get that Stanford education. Shame on him! that wasnt the point at all, but sure, go ahead and jump to that conclusion if you want to.
CarolinaBill Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 To be fair, Trent did not choose to go to the worst program in the Pac-10. During Trent's senior year of high school Stanford went 9-3, playing in the Aloha Bowl. This turned out to be Ty Willingham's last year at Stanford (where he compiled a 44-36 record). I don't think anyone could have predicted the disaster that was the Buddy Teevens/Walt Harris era. and he couldve transferred too, just like mallett, or mike paulus, or the hundreds of other transfers. he could've gone to any # of big time programs, but chose to go to Stanford, fine college, not a great football program.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Correct me if I'm wrong. But Trent played for, at the time, the worst program in the Pac 10. And then, we was "lucky" enough to get drafted by one of the worst teams in the NFL. Not that he made either any better, but those two programs didnt do him any favors either. correct me if I'm wrong but he CHOSE to go to the worst program in the Pac-10, did he not? He sure did. He must have realized that football isn't everything and wanted to get that Stanford education. Shame on him! that wasnt the point at all, but sure, go ahead and jump to that conclusion if you want to. Meaning no disrespect CB, but what was your point?
Arkady Renko Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Has ZERO winning seasons since HIGH SCHOOLHas ZERO .500 seasons since High School Did you look that up or did you assume it? 2007: 5-4 (GS) 2008: 7-7 (GS)
CarolinaBill Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Meaning no disrespect CB, but what was your point? My point was that saying the program at stanford "didn't do him any favors" is a BS excuse, he chose to play there, with offers from michigan and florida on the table among others, Trent chose Stanford, and he didnt make that team any better. i'm sure he got a great education and will be very successful putting that degree to use in the VERY near future, however, he had better options and didnt take'em. he couldve transferred to another program, maybe a good program, instead he stayed at the crappy one, content with mediocrity. As someone mentioned earlier, he has been living off his HS rep for years without ever really producing anything of merit, he got the endorsement of an aging football god, and all of a sudden nothing is his fault, there's always some other reason he fails, and I'm tired of hearing it. BTW, here's a short list of top rated qbs coming out of HS recently: 2003-Chris leak, kyle wright, jamarcus russell, robert lane, syvelle newton. 2004-Rhett Bomar, Anthony Morelli, brian brohm 2005: Ryan Perriloux, jonathan crompton, harrison beck 2006: mitch mustain, juice williams, jevaen snead Being highly touted in HS is not a free pass for being ****ty for the rest of your career, evreything ive seen from trent since the arizona game points to him being timid and unsure of himself, his career YPA college and pro has never gone over 7.0, meaning he's a small ball QB to begin with WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY BILL WALSH LIKED HIM SO MUCH. he lost the locker room last year and has yet to show he can be an effective leader. frankly, im tired of alll the excuses for his failure to date, he's had 3 yrs and has done nothing (when healthy) to warrant the support that he somehow still has. thats all
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 Thanks for the good answer, CB. Actually I was the first one to bring up Trent's high school career in response to the original poster, Alphadawg, asking why Trent has been receiving (in Alpha's opinion) so much benefit of the doubt. "Just to add some fairness and balance to the discussion (because up to now, there has been none), one of the reasons why Trent Edwards is still highly regarded is the following (and quarterbacks who excelled in high school carry that advantage with them for a long time)" I then posted Trent's sterling high school credentials as one factor in answering Alpha's query. I was not making excuses for Trent, nor was I being a Trent apologist. On the other hand, I'm not hostile towards Trent, nor do I wish him to fail. As long as someone gives the Bills quality quarterbacking, I don't care who that person is. edit: And I refuse to root against anyone wearing a Buffalo Bills uniform.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 he couldve transferred to another program, maybe a good program, instead he stayed at the crappy one, content with mediocrity. One other thing. There's a lot of positive things you could say about a person who makes a commitment to a program, and stays true to that commitment. I really disagree with your take on this point.
CarolinaBill Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 One other thing. There's a lot of positive things you could say about a person who makes a commitment to a program, and stays true to that commitment. I really disagree with your take on this point. no problem with TE staying at Stanford, no problem at all, however, choosing to stick with the sinking ship doesnt absolve him for his lack of productivity.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 no problem with TE staying at Stanford, no problem at all, however, choosing to stick with the sinking ship doesnt absolve him for his lack of productivity. Agreed.
Mr. WEO Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 no problem with TE staying at Stanford, no problem at all, however, choosing to stick with the sinking ship doesnt absolve him for his lack of productivity. So are you saying that even if the team around him truly sucked, he should be faulted for his "lack of productivity"....because he didn't transfer? And should he just picked up the phone to a top program and say "OK, I've had enough with Stanford. I'm coming next week."?
Bill from NYC Posted July 26, 2010 Posted July 26, 2010 I hear ya, but I think his early favortism came more from the fact that he wasnt JP. I will not dispute this but it is certainly VERY understandable.
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