BuffaloWings Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Yea...."aweful" isn't a word. And believe me, there is no QB in the NFL that would have succeeded on any team Trent has been the starting QB for. The problem has been an utter lack of talent. No talent on the line, no talent at WR. Now I know you will say "Oh but he has Lee Evans." Please refer to my above comment about no talent at WR. You're implying Evans has no talent? I hope not, because while *maybe* you can say that about every other WR on the roster, Evans could start for pretty much any other team in the NFL.
Throwback Bills Posted July 16, 2010 Author Posted July 16, 2010 Ok I have a question. How can all the posters against Trent or any QB for that matter. Say he always checks down or misses the open guy. When I watch a game at home, the camera keys on the ball and you very rarely see the whole field and at a game its almost the same way, you may be watching the WR saying thier open, but quickly look back and the QB has dumped it off and you may see the pressure or the flow of the game changes and your not sure all you know is that like everybody else at the game your pissed at the QB, maybe someone should have held thier block or maybe the WR who is so open ran the wrong route, who knows. Not any of the fans, only the coaches and players who new the play call and blocking assignments know the miss q's. I don't see how we can be game film critics, by just watching network coverage. As for the quality of the flight of the ball. No QB throws the perfect pass every time. Montana's pass on the Catch was a bad throw that Clark made look good, Kilmer could only throw a thight pass underhanded, watch the NFL Network and I would say 50% of the great passes they show/hightlight are wably and off the mark and the WR makes the QB look good. Network guys say "that's the only place he could have thrown it" and say BS. In the heat of the game very few QB's can put it in the WR back pocket, it's usally the WR adjusting and making a great catch in my opinion. Help me out here?
DrFishfinder Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 at least he threw down field! and he was a decent scrambler. Apart from those two things, did he have any other positives?
muffmonster Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 and he was a decent scrambler. Apart from those two things, did he have any other positives? Hate to use the cliche, but he plays with heart. How many other QBs do you see lead blocking out of the backfield like Fitz did on a couple occasions last year? Obviously that may not be a good thing if it leads to injury, but you can really see that Fitz is a competitor.
DrFishfinder Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 that shouldnt be a problem, according to his scouting reports he is is very smart player, heady was the the word i think, and should have no problem picking up the system mmm hmm. Well, those scouting reports and $1.00 will get you a cuppa joe at Mickey D's, no tip. First of all, lets let Chan decide who the starter will be after pre season is over. That's what he was brought in to do and he needs the chance to do it. Second of all, if it IS Brohm, lets see how he does in game time situations, with bodies akimbo and some serious crap hitting the fan. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but there is a lot more at stake here than a cannon arm and headiness. There is improvisation, especially if the OL doesn't hold up and receivers aren't getting open. There is the ability to throw the ball away rather than take sack after sack after sack and lose huge chunks of yards, as just about every QB since Flutie has failed to do. I have no problem with any of the 3 supposed starters, as long as Chan has made the best decision from what he has seen and who he thinks gives the team the best chance to win over the course of the season.
DrFishfinder Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Hate to use the cliche, but he plays with heart. How many other QBs do you see lead blocking out of the backfield like Fitz did on a couple occasions last year? Obviously that may not be a good thing if it leads to injury, but you can really see that Fitz is a competitor. the "he" referenced here was (God help me) JP....not Fitz.
metzelaars_lives Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 How about the game that Edwards technically started and got a win for at the Jets (they should do it like they do in MLB), but Losman came in and won? I guess that makes him 13-17.
Wagon Circler Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Jeez guys, how many times can we run through the same posts on Edwards. Anyone who watched last year knows that Edwards blows. Even when he had all the time in the world, he checked down. Even on 3rd and 15, he checked down. He lost his job on merit. He gave the team absolutely no chance to win. Now maybe Gailey is a miracle worker and can get something out of him. It's happened before. But at this time, I for one do not make him the "favorite" and believe he could name any of the three the starter. Frankly, I'm a little surprised Travis Brown has been eliminated from consideration so quickly.
muffmonster Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 the "he" referenced here was (God help me) JP....not Fitz. Yah my bad I "assumed" we were talking about Fitz.....need to learn to read before posting.
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Crazy thought. Whoever plays the best in training camp will be teh starter. Nuts I know.
DrFishfinder Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Crazy thought. Whoever plays the best in training camp will be teh starter. Nuts I know. Heretic! Blasphemer! More posts like this and there would be..... less posts.
wnyBacker Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 "Now in those starts he has a career 61.3 completion %." get ready for everyone to insert their own cpt. check-down comments.
billsfreak Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 I like any QB that wins. So do I, but there hasn't ever been a quarterback that has won by himself without a good team around him. Not Marino, Elway, Unitas, Montana, Kelly-none have ever won by himself. You have a better chance to win with an average QB on a good team than a good QB on an average or worse team.
PDaDdy Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 You're implying Evans has no talent? I hope not, because while *maybe* you can say that about every other WR on the roster, Evans could start for pretty much any other team in the NFL. Some people just aren't that smart man. It's sad. They want to believe so badly that Trent is really a STAR whose growth and progression has been stunted that they question the few things that are actually our strengths. WR is a mess of unproven potential but the exception, Lee Evans, is one of our few stars. Last year we also had the 3rd best WR to ever play the game, TO, and Edwards still passed to RBs and TE's quite ineffectively at that. There is a funny thing that seems to happen with GOOD QBs. They MAKE WRs look good. How many times have you seen good QB's succeed with previously unknowns at WR?!??!? WRs that did nothing before playing with a good QB and did nothing after? It's a yin/yan thing. I have said this a million times before. WRs CAN'T THROW THEMSELVES THE BALL!
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 So do I, but there hasn't ever been a quarterback that has won by himself without a good team around him. Not Marino, Elway, Unitas, Montana, Kelly-none have ever won by himself. You have a better chance to win with an average QB on a good team than a good QB on an average or worse team. I don't know what you were watching but John Elway carried those 80s and early 90s Broncos teams. They had no offensive talent around him and he carried them to 3 SBs. That' why he's the best QB ever in my opinion.
ganesh Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Again, a good QB makes everyone around him look good. Its a 2 way street. You listed all of those players around him as bad, but what makes you think that Trent has anymore talent than those around him. So Trent is somehow better than all the players around him? Based on what exactly? Agreed....Both Rogers and Rothelisberger were two of the most sacked QBs in the league and yet they threw for lot of yards and made plays with their feet. Both teams have a pretty poor to average OL. Trent hasn't shown the consistency to make others better around him, except for the 5 game period. What I have missed from TRent last season was his calm demanor and the ability to pull the team together, attributes that he displayed heavily in 2007 and 2008.
PDaDdy Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Agreed....Both Rogers and Rothelisberger were two of the most sacked QBs in the league and yet they threw for lot of yards and made plays with their feet. Both teams have a pretty poor to average OL. Trent hasn't shown the consistency to make others better around him, except for the 5 game period. What I have missed from TRent last season was his calm demanor and the ability to pull the team together, attributes that he displayed heavily in 2007 and 2008. I'm not sure what games you were watching but I didn't see any demonstrated, much less heavily demonstrated, ability to pull the team together or encourage a calm demeanor in 2007 2008. If you take lifeless lack lust performance for calm demeanor I'll agree with that performance. Perhaps in comparison to JP Trent looked calm but he was actually less effective so I will give you that on a technicality. I'm not actually defending Trent but Rodger and Rothlisberger are rare exceptions who have succeeded with terrible lines. That being said Trent should have EASILY been able to show that he had something to give us "hope for the future". He displayed absolutely nothing to give me any hope for our future with him at the helm.
Mr. WEO Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 I hope Brohm wins. I like QBs with a cannon arm. Big fan of Kyle Boller and Jeff George?
Cookiemonster Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 Trent Edwards will definitely be the starter...unless Brohm or Fitz beats him out. Take that to the bank! PTR Brilliant Deduction!
I Billieve Posted July 16, 2010 Posted July 16, 2010 I'm going to say that Trent does get the start. Not saying I want him to, but I think he will get the chance to prove himself. on that note, he will probably get injured and Brohm will come in and save the rest of the season.
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