....lybob Posted July 14, 2010 Share Posted July 14, 2010 If I'm wrong then I'm wrong- I'm all for the pay of Federal employees being in line with those in private sector - with the caveat that the parity take in account experience and education. Also I wonder why the salary of soldiers were not listed in comparison to the salary of private mercenaries, are not those pretty comparable professions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 If I'm wrong then I'm wrong- I'm all for the pay of Federal employees being in line with those in private sector - with the caveat that the parity take in account experience and education. Also I wonder why the salary of soldiers were not listed in comparison to the salary of private mercenaries, are not those pretty comparable professions. Good points... Anyway... I am trying to be openminded here... I see where most are coming from. Most federal employees don't do what the private sector does, they don't produce... They contract out to get somebody else to produce for them. I do see the point people are making. We need to get back to basics. If the Feds are going to do something, then do it... Just don't shuffle the money out of the pocketbook. Maybe I have been isolated too long. Through the years it is getting more and more frustrating... We can't take care of our own motor pool anymore... All vehicles have to be with GSA... We aren't even allowed to do our own oil changes anymore on the gov't vehicles. IT and computers are getting worse... Now we have to deal with an outside and centalized IT contractor... Think how much it costs the gov't to have to go through those dolts than have us run out to Best Buy, replace say a broken monitor... We just had a broken security monitor... It took us almost a month to get a new one... Of course we installed it ourselves... Like that was really hard? How much longer would it have taken to get a tech out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 I pay into my pension and fund it. Almost 2% of my pay goes for my pension. I have to pay SS. And if I want to have a better nest-egg, I need to kick more in than the automatic 1% the agency puts into my TSP. 3 parts of my retirement: I do get a pension, I will admit I have to kick in almost 2%. SS which I pay into being a FERS employee. TSP... The first 1% is automatic by the agency... The the first 4% you put in is matched, the next 1% is matched 50%... Then nothing above 5%. It is not capped anymore and I put in around 20% of my pay. So what the !@#$ you talking about? Healthcare? The agency picks up around 65% of my premium, I pay the rest. That comes out to about 400 bucks a month I put in and the agency puts in around 600. We get it dude you put money into you're retirement. We're !@#$ing proud of you but most people with government pensions don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 We get it dude you put money into you're retirement. We're !@#$ing proud of you but most people with government pensions don't. Like who? You are talking abut the fed right? Or other government entities? Don't make such sweeping generalizations, be specific before you slam people. And why are you worried about what people get... I am sorry the private sector is moving away from pensions and !@#$ing their legacy costs. That is not my problem. Maybe if the private sector has an ounce of honor and did things the right way, you would not be so bitter. If you want a pension, go out and find an employer that offers one... I am sure a lot still do. Geeze Louise! You just don't like it when one of your sweeping stereotypes flop like a sagging soufflé! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Like who? You are talking abut the fed right? Or other government entities? Don't make such sweeping generalizations, be specific before you slam people. And why are you worried about what people get... I am sorry the private sector is moving away from pensions and !@#$ing their legacy costs. That is not my problem. Maybe if the private sector has an ounce of honor and did things the right way, you would not be so bitter. If you want a pension, go out and find an employer that offers one... I am sure a lot still do. Geeze Louise! You just don't like it when one of your sweeping stereotypes flop like a sagging soufflé! Like who? Like most of the people I've met in my career over the past 10 years that have pensions. Remember, it's what I do for a living. And why am I worried about what people get? It's because we've given the store away out here in CA to the government employees and that's what has !@#$ed us. And there unwillingness to budge and be more responsible for their future that pisses me off. I don't want a pension, I prefer to be in control of my own future, I don't know, I just feel better about myself having taken care of it myself. And what do you mean by the if the private sector did things the right way. What is this right way you're talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Like who? Like most of the people I've met in my career over the past 10 years that have pensions. Remember, it's what I do for a living. And why am I worried about what people get? It's because we've given the store away out here in CA to the government employees and that's what has !@#$ed us. And there unwillingness to budge and be more responsible for their future that pisses me off. I don't want a pension, I prefer to be in control of my own future, I don't know, I just feel better about myself having taken care of it myself. And what do you mean by the if the private sector did things the right way. What is this right way you're talking about? To me, a pension is just icing on the cake... I feel the same way you do, I am very much in control of myself even if that pension fund goes bust. What is wrong with icing? If that pension fund is managed right... There should be no strain on the system. The "right way" is to conduct yourself in an honorable fashion. IMO, a lot of the private sector fails to do that with their employees. Treat them with diginity and honor the deals they made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 To me, a pension is just icing on the cake... I feel the same way you do, I am very much in control of myself even if that pension fund goes bust. What is wrong with icing? If that pension fund is managed right... There should be no strain on the system. The "right way" is to conduct yourself in an honorable fashion. IMO, a lot of the private sector fails to do that with their employees. Treat them with diginity and honor the deals they made. You have no idea what you're talking about. I've had several clients that when you look at what's in there PERS and how much income they're going to get from that nut they would need to earn more than 20% on an annual basis to generate that income. That is not managed right and that is why here in CA there is a huge strain on the system to the point of breaking soon. That ain't icing dude, that's the whole !@#$ing pastry shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 You have no idea what you're talking about. I've had several clients that when you look at what's in there PERS and how much income they're going to get from that nut they would need to earn more than 20% on an annual basis to generate that income. That is not managed right and that is why here in CA there is a huge strain on the system to the point of breaking soon. That ain't icing dude, that's the whole !@#$ing pastry shop. No. What I am saying is to me, collecting my pension is icing on the cake. I am saving at a rate as if I were in the private sector and NOT going to collect a pension. Like you mentioned earlier... I am saving close to that 26% even WITHOUT my pension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 No. What I am saying is to me, collecting my pension is icing on the cake. I am saving at a rate as if I were in the private sector and NOT going to collect a pension. Like you mentioned earlier... I am saving close to that 26% even WITHOUT my pension. I'm not talking about you am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 No. What I am saying is to me, collecting my pension is icing on the cake. I am saving at a rate as if I were in the private sector and NOT going to collect a pension. Like you mentioned earlier... I am saving close to that 26% even WITHOUT my pension. A word of advice...buy whatever durable goods you feel you need now, and those that you anticipate needing in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I'm not talking about you am I. Sorry for taking it personal, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 A word of advice...buy whatever durable goods you feel you need now, and those that you anticipate needing in the future. Please expand on this. I am not sure where you are going with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Please expand on this. I am not sure where you are going with it. Oh, look who's talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Oh, look who's talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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