Skoobydum Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/K/KellJi00.htm PassingGlossary · CSV · PRE · Game Log · Splits · TD Log · Passing TD Log · Super Bowl Plays · Comebacks and game-winning drives Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV 1986 26 BUF QB 12 16 16 4-12-0 285 480 59.4 3593 22 4.6 17 3.5 84 7.5 6.8 12.6 224.6 83.3 43 330 6.2 5.6 8.2 12 1987* 27 BUF QB 12 12 12 6-6-0 250 419 59.7 2798 19 4.5 11 2.6 47 6.7 6.4 11.2 233.2 83.8 27 239 5.7 5.5 6.1 9 1988* 28 BUF QB 12 16 16 12-4-0 269 452 59.5 3380 15 3.3 17 3.8 66 7.5 6.4 12.6 211.3 78.2 30 229 6.5 5.6 6.2 13 1989 29 BUF QB 12 13 13 6-7-0 228 391 58.3 3130 25 6.4 18 4.6 78 8.0 7.2 13.7 240.8 86.2 30 216 6.9 6.2 7.1 12 1990* 30 BUF QB 12 14 14 12-2-0 219 346 63.3 2829 24 6.9 9 2.6 71 8.2 8.4 12.9 202.1 101.2 20 158 7.3 7.5 5.5 14 1991*+ 31 BUF QB 12 15 15 13-2-0 304 474 64.1 3844 33 7.0 17 3.6 77 8.1 7.9 12.6 256.3 97.6 31 227 7.2 7.0 6.1 17 1992* 32 BUF QB 12 16 16 11-5-0 269 462 58.2 3457 23 5.0 19 4.1 65 7.5 6.6 12.9 216.1 81.2 20 145 6.9 6.1 4.1 14 1993 33 BUF QB 12 16 16 12-4-0 288 470 61.3 3382 18 3.8 18 3.8 65 7.2 6.2 11.7 211.4 79.9 25 171 6.5 5.6 5.1 12 1994 34 BUF QB 12 14 14 7-7-0 285 448 63.6 3114 22 4.9 17 3.8 83 7.0 6.2 10.9 222.4 84.6 34 244 6.0 5.3 7.1 11 1995 35 BUF QB 12 15 15 10-5-0 255 458 55.7 3130 22 4.8 13 2.8 77 6.8 6.5 12.3 208.7 81.1 26 181 6.1 5.8 5.4 10 1996 36 BUF QB 12 13 13 8-5-0 222 379 58.6 2810 14 3.7 19 5.0 67 7.4 5.9 12.7 216.2 73.2 37 287 6.1 4.7 8.9 7 Career 160 160 101-59-0 2874 4779 60.1 35467 237 5.0 175 3.7 84 7.4 6.8 12.3 221.7 84.4 323 2427 6.5 5.9 6.3 131 He only played 4 full sets of 16 games in 11 seasons, linebacker mentality.
Skoobydum Posted July 10, 2010 Author Posted July 10, 2010 So maybe Trent is not such a lost cause, after last year's debacle.
Beerball Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 So maybe Trent is not such a lost cause, after last year's debacle. Color me fully convinced, Edwards=Kelly.
sllib olaffub Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 There was an article awhile back about how quite a few of the "Great" QB's had rather mediocre numbers their first three seasons - that, if you were to total their numbers Edward's would compare favorably. It's not the numbers - it's the way he looked last year that bothers me. Can he bounce back? I don't know - I guess it depends a lot on what really was wrong, and how the coaching staff is at getting into his head and restarting whatever clock got busted in there... but, he's shown he can be good - and with our team as it is now designed, I think a game managing QB who can sling the ball down field with accuracy once in a while would be enough for us to win some games. If Trent can't do it - if he even shows a small tendency towards reverting to his play of last year during this preseason, I'd just let Brohm start and develop. Between the two of them, one should be capable of doing it for us this year.
PromoTheRobot Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Kelly missed 18 games due to injury in his career. What a wuss. PTR
Beerball Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 There was an article awhile back about how quite a few of the "Great" QB's had rather mediocre numbers their first three seasons - that, if you were to total their numbers Edward's would compare favorably.It's not the numbers - it's the way he looked last year that bothers me. Can he bounce back? I don't know - I guess it depends a lot on what really was wrong, and how the coaching staff is at getting into his head and restarting whatever clock got busted in there... but, he's shown he can be good - and with our team as it is now designed, I think a game managing QB who can sling the ball down field with accuracy once in a while would be enough for us to win some games. If Trent can't do it - if he even shows a small tendency towards reverting to his play of last year during this preseason, I'd just let Brohm start and develop. Between the two of them, one should be capable of doing it for us this year. Color me fully convinced, Edwards /=Kelly.
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 But that team won the division in 88, mostly with the defense... Buffalo ran a conservative offense then, one-two years prior to the no-huddle. They had a rookie RB in Thurman, Riddick could get the TDs and Ronnie Harmon was in there as well.
Ever Since '86 Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 I still think Jimbo faked those injuries in the SB's... maybe i'm just bitter. I'm excited to see trent in gaileys system, should be interesting.. hope the line can come through
CookieG Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Statistically, Bruce Mathison's 3rd year was probably his worst too. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MathBr00.htm
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Not saying at all Edwards will be close to Kelly, but if this message board existed in '88, people would have been screaming to cut Kelly. And Moulds after his first 2 seasons. Patience is dead.
DarthICE Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Not saying at all Edwards will be close to Kelly, but if this message board existed in '88, people would have been screaming to cut Kelly. And Moulds after his first 2 seasons. Patience is dead. Actually no they wouldn't have. When Kelly came to Buffalo they lined the streets for him, they fillled seats for him. They knew he could save the franchise, turn it around. Edwards has NO !@#$ING PRAYER of doing that. Edwards doesn't have 1/10th the talent, leadership, arm, etc that Kelly had and anyone thinking so is a moron plain and simple. Has it honestly got this bad that fans want to go back and try and nit pick the greatest QB of all time for the Bills? Guess what? Independant voters elected Kelly to the HOF on his first time available to be enshrined. That means he was GREAT, not good GREAT. Bottom line this team has sucked for one main reason, and one main reason only....they NEVER REPLACED KELLY! Not Thurman, not Reed, KELLY! And until they get a stud gunslinger like him behind the center, this team will continue to suck.
Aplusfool Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Actually no they wouldn't have. When Kelly came to Buffalo they lined the streets for him, they fillled seats for him. They knew he could save the franchise, turn it around. Edwards has NO !@#$ING PRAYER of doing that. Edwards doesn't have 1/10th the talent, leadership, arm, etc that Kelly had and anyone thinking so is a moron plain and simple. Has it honestly got this bad that fans want to go back and try and nit pick the greatest QB of all time for the Bills? Guess what? Independant voters elected Kelly to the HOF on his first time available to be enshrined. That means he was GREAT, not good GREAT. Bottom line this team has sucked for one main reason, and one main reason only....they NEVER REPLACED KELLY! Not Thurman, not Reed, KELLY! And until they get a stud gunslinger like him behind the center, this team will continue to suck. +1 Do we really need to find some obscure stat to make us feel like Edwards is any good ?. Kelly was cocky and had just as much as an ego to match it. He was vocal (wrong or right) on the fields as well as off. But he also believed he could win all by himself and never doubted his abilities. He had the fire and will to win and his teammate believed and followed him. Other than the fact that they both wore the same uniform, they are miles apart.
Beerball Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 But that team won the division in 88, mostly with the defense... Buffalo ran a conservative offense then, one-two years prior to the no-huddle. They had a rookie RB in Thurman, Riddick could get the TDs and Ronnie Harmon was in there as well. Color me fully convinced, Kelly/=Kelly.
Red Squirrel Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 Not saying at all Edwards will be close to Kelly, but if this message board existed in '88, people would have been screaming to cut Kelly. And Moulds after his first 2 seasons. Patience is dead. Well, I'm not saying the Jonas Brothers will be close to the Beatles, but if "Beatles For Sale" were released today, critics would kill it. Well, actually they wouldn't, and we all know they wouldn't. Yes, patience is dead. And yes, Moulds would have gotten slaughtered by fans here after his first two seasons (he actually did get slaughtered by Bills fans on usenet, which was a pretty wild place to discuss the Bills back then). There should be a rule along the lines of Godwin's Law to keep people from making any comparison between Edwards and Kelly.
thewildrabbit Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 It's crazy to see that Jim didn't top 3000 yards in 1990, yet it seemed like he threw for 4000The Bills ran to set up the pass back then, Thurman Thomas was 70% of the offense in the Redskins old "counter trey" running offense that they used to run to perfection. The OC (Marchibroda) had them in spread formation with Lofton, Beebe outside and Reed in the Middle and called it the "k-gun", with Thomas in the backfield and the threat of a cut back on any run play, the Bills offense was basically unstoppable! Now just think of Dick Jauron as head coach back then, and Turk Schonert as the offensive coordinator, a rookie O line coach and the team trading away Will Willford. I'd have to believe that the offense would have looked unbelievably horrid with a really bad scheme, no decent game plans... would the Bills have even made the playoffs... would Kelly have even finished one season healthy? Kinda gives ya hope thinking of what a real offensive minded guy can do.
pkwwjd Posted July 10, 2010 Posted July 10, 2010 If we want to be picky about it ... Kelly had about 54 games in the USFL to season his pro game & make the transition from college ... that probably didn't hurt his entry in the NFL.
crazyDingo Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Any comparison between these two leaves me mind-boggled.
Skoobydum Posted July 11, 2010 Author Posted July 11, 2010 What part of bad offense plans that are dead to right obvious are not known here. I had my 10 year old non-Madden playing son notice the formation and call the play. Do you think that any level of success could happen based on playing inside a small book that a 10 year old can read?? How about or like every headcoach in the league ??
Beerball Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 What part of bad offense plans that are dead to right obvious are not known here. I had my 10 year old non-Madden playing son notice the formation and call the play. Do you think that any level of success could happen based on playing inside a small book that a 10 year old can read?? How about or like every headcoach in the league ?? Color me fully convinced, Edwards=Kelly.
Orton's Arm Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Actually no they wouldn't have. When Kelly came to Buffalo they lined the streets for him, they fillled seats for him. They knew he could save the franchise, turn it around. Edwards has NO !@#$ING PRAYER of doing that. Edwards doesn't have 1/10th the talent, leadership, arm, etc that Kelly had and anyone thinking so is a moron plain and simple. Has it honestly got this bad that fans want to go back and try and nit pick the greatest QB of all time for the Bills? Guess what? Independant voters elected Kelly to the HOF on his first time available to be enshrined. That means he was GREAT, not good GREAT. Bottom line this team has sucked for one main reason, and one main reason only....they NEVER REPLACED KELLY! Not Thurman, not Reed, KELLY! And until they get a stud gunslinger like him behind the center, this team will continue to suck. I'll agree with you up to a point. It's true the team never replaced Kelly, and that the lack of a Kelly-like QB has been a huge source of pain ever since Jimbo hung up his cleats. But there are other players from those teams who never got replaced either. Other than a year or two of good LT play from Jason Peters, we never replaced Will Wolford. There was no replacement for Kent Hull after he retired. This team could also use a Howard Ballard. While the failure to replace Kelly was the single biggest source of failure, the almost complete lack of talent on the current OL (other than at guard), is enough to kill the offense even if we did have a QB.
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