Ranking the presidents

[tomdayfan]

Siena College surveyed 238 presidential scholars and they ranked all the presidents. FDR is #1. Andrew Johnson is the worst ever. Obama is ahead of Reagan. George W. Bush is fifth-worst. Discuss.

Presidents from first to worst

[Adam]

Siena College surveyed 238 presidential scholars and they ranked all the presidents. FDR is #1. Andrew Johnson is the worst ever. Obama is ahead of Reagan. George W. Bush is fifth-worst. Discuss.

Presidents from first to worst

Shouldn't Lincoln or Washington be first? I think Bush was terrible, but it really is too soon after his Presidency to put it in accurate historical context

[Dante]

Obama ahead of Regan??? Scathing indictment of presidential scholars, Siena College and the education system as a whole. Note too self. Don't let my kid go to Siena.

[Dave_In_Norfolk]

Shouldn't Lincoln or Washington be first? I think Bush was terrible, but it really is too soon after his Presidency to put it in accurate historical context

Sure, why not? Both great Presidents, as was FDR. TR, was pretty good,too.

 

Your point about Bush is very valid, but judging from the headline in the NY Times today about Iraq, where all the leaders are slowely being assassinated, it doesn't look to good for him. Plus he was stupid idiot

 

I'll wager a bet that Reagan will not rate all that high now that de-regulations uglyness is showing itself in bank collaspes, oil gone wild, tax cut induced permanent deficits and did I just see a headline that the stupid, near useless B-1 is being fazed out? Thanks Ronnie!

 

Truman was pretty good at the start of the Cold War

 

I think Eisenhower deserves some bad marks for his nuclear policy of sticking nukes everywhere and on everything.

[Rob's House]

These polls are fairly meaningless. A good president is one who governed according to my politics and a bad one is one who didn't. It's really a poll of the political affiliations of the "scholars".

[drnykterstein]

Obama ahead of Regan??? Scathing indictment of presidential scholars, Siena College and the education system as a whole. Note too self. Don't let my kid go to Siena.

This is the kind of thing that I'm talking about when I say you people live in an alternate reality. Reagan was not perfect, nor a saint of any sort. But I know your Republican blinders block you from seeing this. It is debatable who is the better president. One thing is for sure is that Obama has passed far more major legislation in his two years than Reagan did in his first two.

 

I don't have time to go into a comparison of the two, but it should not be a surprise to see Obama ranked higher. To call that ranking a "Scathing indictment of presidential scholars, Siena College and the education system as a whole" is just plain ignorant.

[Rob's House]

This is the kind of thing that I'm talking about when I say you people live in an alternate reality. Reagan was not perfect, nor a saint of any sort. But I know your Republican blinders block you from seeing this. It is debatable who is the better president. One thing is for sure is that Obama has passed far more major legislation in his two years than Reagan did in his first two.

 

You should study the history of fascism. The fascist leaders of the 30s passed a great deal of major legislation as well.

[3rdnlng]

Sure, why not? Both great Presidents, as was FDR. TR, was pretty good,too.

 

Your point about Bush is very valid, but judging from the headline in the NY Times today about Iraq, where all the leaders are slowely being assassinated, it doesn't look to good for him. Plus he was stupid idiot

 

I'll wager a bet that Reagan will not rate all that high now that de-regulations uglyness is showing itself in bank collaspes, oil gone wild, tax cut induced permanent deficits and did I just see a headline that the stupid, near useless B-1 is being fazed out? Thanks Ronnie!

 

Truman was pretty good at the start of the Cold War

 

I think Eisenhower deserves some bad marks for his nuclear policy of sticking nukes everywhere and on everything.

 

One of the stupidest posts............................ever.

[drnykterstein]

These polls are fairly meaningless. A good president is one who governed according to my politics and a bad one is one who didn't. It's really a poll of the political affiliations of the "scholars".

Why is scholars in quotes? What have you ever accomplished?

[drnykterstein]

You should study the history of fascism. The fascist leaders of the 30s passed a great deal of major legislation as well.

You should study apples, they are really informative when one is wanting to learn about oranges.

[Chef Jim]

You should study apples, they are really informative when one is wanting to learn about oranges.

 

Yes and when studying the history of great NFL quarterbacks you really should include the "accomplishments" of one that just finished his rookie year.

[drnykterstein]

Yes and when studying the history of great NFL quarterbacks you really should include the "accomplishments" of one that just finished his rookie year.

I don't disagree with your point.

[....lybob]

I don't think G.W.Bush deserves to rank so low, after all for six years and six months it was Dick Cheney's presidency.

[drnykterstein]

I don't think G.W.Bush deserves to rank so low, after all for six years and six months it was Dick Cheney's presidency.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Adam]

You should study the history of fascism. The fascist leaders of the 30s passed a great deal of major legislation as well.

You consider Hoover and Roosevelt to be fascist? Please explain yourself

[Dave_In_Norfolk]

You should study the history of fascism. The fascist leaders of the 30s passed a great deal of major legislation as well.

So did the communists. Just because both systems of government understood how to use steel and concrete doesn't make FDR Hitler.

[Jim in Anchorage]

One of the stupidest posts............................ever.

conner is running stride for stride in that race.

[Rob's House]

You consider Hoover and Roosevelt to be fascist? Please explain yourself

 

I was primarily referring to the European leaders of the 30s such as Mussolini and Hitler. I would however group Roosevelt in as a fascist. He supported government control over the means of production, and aggressively used the power of his position to shut down opposition, including shutting down newspapers that printed materials critical of him.

 

So did the communists. Just because both systems of government understood how to use steel and concrete doesn't make FDR Hitler.

 

Wasn't claiming it did. Fascism is not exclusive territory of the Nazis, therefore, calling someone a fascist doesn't necessarily make them a genocidal dictator. My point, however, was simply that "major legislation" isn't necessarily a positive.

[Adam]

I was primarily referring to the European leaders of the 30s such as Mussolini and Hitler. I would however group Roosevelt in as a fascist. He supported government control over the means of production, and aggressively used the power of his position to shut down opposition, including shutting down newspapers that printed materials critical of him.

 

 

 

Wasn't claiming it did. Fascism is not exclusive territory of the Nazis, therefore, calling someone a fascist doesn't necessarily make them a genocidal dictator. My point, however, was simply that "major legislation" isn't necessarily a positive.

I don't think FDR was a socialist, but I think that is what you meant- he s on the other side of the spectrum from fascism.

 

I wouldn't mind if President Roosevelt was in office right now- he is worlds better than President Obama.

[Rob's House]

I don't think FDR was a socialist, but I think that is what you meant- he s on the other side of the spectrum from fascism.

 

I wouldn't mind if President Roosevelt was in office right now- he is worlds better than President Obama.

 

That spectrum is meaningless. Fascism and Communism/socialism are essentially different words for the police state.