Mike in Syracuse Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Can we please stop the "oh we should go get (insert other teams starter name here) posts. "According to the sources who have confirmed Jackson is available, the Chargers are not amenable to dealing pro bowl tackle Marcus McNeil; who will also hold out until week 11 because of a contract stalemate." It's not going to happen so stop fantasizing! This is the Bills after all........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It took Jackson until his 4th season before he broke out, and SD didn't have any other decent WR's during that time. Maybe the Bills should just stick with who they have and hope one of them pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 http://12thmanrising.com/2010/06/29/seattl...-trading-block/ To this date, I've been all about Chan & Buddy standing firm to build the Bills through the draft. I'm also enamored with the possibilities of our young, untested WR corp. BUT, To add 2 Pro Bowlers immediately in 2 areas considered weakness is an intoxicating proposition. Would you trade high picks & up & comers to nab both these guys? It's my understanding that McNeil had been diagnosed with spinal stenosis. Yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpl6876 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Oh and i forgot to mention that we aren't exactly in a win now mentality like we were when old DJ was here. I am glad we aren't because that's when you make rash decisions and stupid moves. I agree with that statement. How sad is that? Makes me frustrated as a fan. Washington has/had pretty much the same 3 glaring weaknesses as us. No coach, weak QB, and No LT. Look what they've done. Now, I know that haven't had much success in the past....Wondering if their fans would accept/think we aren't exactly in a win now mentality? That's the difference between a owner who wants to win at any cost vs an owner who has lost touch with winning.... The sad thing is we as fans can't really do anything about it. We are the one who suffer. The ones who continue to stick by our time despite the horrendous errors. I want to win so bad! Kinda makes me sick to my stomach... Sorry for the rant. Just frustrated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammie65 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 http://12thmanrising.com/2010/06/29/seattl...-trading-block/ To this date, I've been all about Chan & Buddy standing firm to build the Bills through the draft. I'm also enamored with the possibilities of our young, untested WR corp. BUT, To add 2 Pro Bowlers immediately in 2 areas considered weakness is an intoxicating proposition. Would you trade high picks & up & comers to nab both these guys? NO!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 It's my understanding that McNeil had been diagnosed with spinal stenosis. Yes? That is true. I'm sure that plus the uncertainty of a lockout and lost year are holding up any long term money from the Chargers or a trade. McNeil has played without it bothering him but it does seem pretty risky to give him a huge payday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Vincent Jackson would be a nice addition, but they would want to much in a trade for him and he wants too much money. For the past few years, Lee Evans has been slammed on this board for lack of production. Over the 5 seasons that Evans has been a full time starter he has averaged 58 catches and 902 yards a season-with terrible quarterbacks, weak offensive lines and poor gameplans. Jackson has averaged, over his 3 years as a full time starter-56 catches and 962 yards, with a Pro Bowl quarterback, and one of the best teams and most explosive offenses in the AFC. I think if Evans was on those Charger teams his numbers would have been better than Jacksons, by quite a bit too. Not that Jackson wouldn't be nice, but if we give up the house for him, it may be like the Falcons giving up the estate for Peerless Price awhile back. Very good analysis. I think you are right on. But we need an OT real bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Vincent Jackson is expecting a 4-game suspension from the NFL: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ame-suspension/ Plus the Chargers are reportedly asking for a 1st and 3rd. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Vincent Jackson is expecting a 4-game suspension from the NFL: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ame-suspension/ Plus the Chargers are reportedly asking for a 1st and 3rd. Pass. yep, just got handed a 3 game suspension. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5345629 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Now why can his suspension be appealed and (probably) reduced, but Lynch's wasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Now why can his suspension be appealed and (probably) reduced, but Lynch's wasn't? even worse, he's already been threatening to hold out on the Chargers. so this suspension basically guarantees it. i also believe Lynch did appeal, but it wasnt reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Jackson just got a three game suspension. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AvVB...tjacksonsuspend I'd trade Lynch for him straight up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeChix Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Jackson and McNeil would definitely make the Bills a better team. Unfortunately, I don't see the Bills signing either one of these guys. I feel like Chix wants to see how their young and untested receivers produce before bringing in new guys through trade/free agency. For whatever it's worth, I think Steve Johnson is going to be a big time player for the Bills next year. After watching him play in college and for the Bills, I think he has the "it" factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Conversely, Jackson's #s were probably held down because of the plethora of offensive talent in San Diego. They had the best RB and TE for years; without one or both of those guys, Jackson's #s might have been much higher. But of course, I agree with your point about not overpaying. I don't want any player that can't be had at a price that is reasonable for his production. I totally disagree. Jackson's numbers were probably significantly inflated due to the talent around him. Defenses were keying on LT and Antonio Gates. He would have 1 on 1 coverage with no safety help over the top. Even an average WR would be able to put up good numbers with the talent in SD. I am not sold that Jackson is any better than the receivers on our roster (not saying that he is not). I am all for the LT upgrade however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Something in the form of Lynch for Vincent Jackson (and/or whatever combo of picks are necessary to make that "equal") might make me happy. San Diego's backfield isn't exactly intimidating anymore, right? I agree that trade would make a lot of sense for both sides. Who is their RB? Darren Sproles and who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 If players have attitude issues in San Diego, how will they be better in Buffalo??? PTR It's a money problem. Vincent Jackson is a freaking stud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 It's a money problem. Vincent Jackson is a freaking stud. Everybody's a stud if they don't play for the Bills. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meark Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Everybody's a stud if they don't play for the Bills. PTR Agree to disagree.. Jackson just got a 3 game suspension anyway.. think that pretty much screws up his value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skoobydum Posted July 1, 2010 Share Posted July 1, 2010 Get them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 Ill take McNiel, but you can keep Jackson. Good football teams need top notch lineman. WRs come after the fact. We cant afford to get both of them. So I would only want McNiel Notice though how both are holding out, but SD is only shopping Jackson. My bet is a quality organization like SD - whos team makes teh playoffs every year - knows this and runs their organization accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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