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[VABills]

My wife is a hospice social worker and it shocks me how few people choose hospice care. I would much rather die in my home, not in pain, with the hospice workers helping me manage my end of life care, than in a hospital stuck full of needles.

 

This is one of those areas where we in the US are WAY behind Europe. Oddly, a lot of religious people are opposed to hospice, which is probably why it's reputation is so bogged down with negative perception.

Way to stereotype incorrectly.

 

The people I know who work at Hospice or are in home hospice workers are all devout Catholics. In fact, I cannot name a single hospice worker who isn't Catholic.

[Alaska Darin]

try not being a pompous ass

Why? Is it too much to ask that people use punctuation and grammar? If you're so lazy that you can't handle such simple things, then you shouldn't get upset when people completely discount your opinion. That's not pompous, that's reality.

[IDBillzFan]

ee cummings Wawrow doesn't mind a little shrapnel.

Especially if served on the rocks with a twist.

[birdog1960]

Why? Is it too much to ask that people use punctuation and grammar? If you're so lazy that you can't handle such simple things, then you shouldn't get upset when people completely discount your opinion. That's not pompous, that's reality.

i'm not writing a thesis or professional correspondence. it seems people can discern my meaning ,so what difference does it make if i don't hit the caps or apostrophe key? grammar issue or not, it's not cool to be a pompous ass.

[3rdnlng]

i'm not writing a thesis or professional correspondence. it seems people can discern my meaning ,so what difference does it make if i don't hit the caps or apostrophe key? grammar issue or not, it's not cool to be a pompous ass.

 

You're fighting with one hand tied behind your back, that's why.

[John Adams]

Way to stereotype incorrectly.

 

The people I know who work at Hospice or are in home hospice workers are all devout Catholics. In fact, I cannot name a single hospice worker who isn't Catholic.

 

I don't know one Catholic hospice worker and it's safe to say I know a lot hospice workers more than you.

[VABills]

I don't know one Catholic hospice worker and it's safe to say I know a lot hospice workers more than you.

You may know more, but everyone I know is Catholic.

[VABills]

I guess since the Catholic Church runs lots of Hospices and have a patron Saint of hospices that they likely support and understand.

 

http://www.catholichospice.org/

[John Adams]

Considering that a Catholic patient goes to Hell if they refuse medical treatment in hope of ending their suffering and causing their death, I'd say religion gets in the way of A patient choosing hospice.

[VABills]

Considering that a Catholic patient goes to Hell if they refuse medical treatment in hope of ending their suffering and causing their death, I'd say religion gets in the way of A patient choosing hospice.

Where do you come up with this crap? That is not true.

 

 

The Catechism of the Catholic Church provides some general teaching in this area:

Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

 

Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

 

Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded.

 

Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of "over-zealous" treatment. Here one does not will to cause death; one’s inability to impede it is merely accepted. The decisions should be made by the patient if he is competent and able or, if not, by those legally entitled to act for the patient, whose reasonable will and legitimate interests must always be respected.

 

Even if death is thought imminent, the ordinary care owed to a sick person cannot be legitimately interrupted. The use of painkillers to alleviate the sufferings of the dying, even at the risk of shortening their days, can be morally in conformity with human dignity if death is not willed as either an end or a means, but only foreseen and tolerated as inevitable. Palliative care is a special form of disinterested charity. As such it should be encouraged. (CCC 2276-2279).

Also, in the address to the participants in the International Congress on Life-Sustaining Treatments and Vegatative State: Scientific Advances and Ethical Dilemmas (March 20, 2004), Pope John Paul II made it clear that feeding tubes should be considered ordinary care so long as they serve their intended purposes:

[T]he administration of water and food, even when provided by artificial means, always represents a natural means of preserving life, not a medical act. Its use, furthermore, should be considered, in principle, ordinary and proportionate, and as such morally obligatory insofar as and until it is seen to have attained its proper finality, which in the present case consists in providing nourishment to the patient and alleviation of his suffering. (4)

For Catholic advice on specific cases, I recommend contacting the National Catholic Bioethics Center in Philadelphia.

[Booster4324]

Link

[Alaska Darin]

i'm not writing a thesis or professional correspondence. it seems people can discern my meaning ,so what difference does it make if i don't hit the caps or apostrophe key? grammar issue or not, it's not cool to be a pompous ass.

It's also not cool to be too lazy to use proper grammar and punctuation. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

[Booster4324]

It's also not cool to be too lazy to use proper grammar and punctuation. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

 

I would like to point out typos are generally considered acceptable, unless they are funny. Then you get ridiculed.

[John Adams]

Where do you come up with this crap? That is not true.

 

"Thus an act or omission which, of itself or by intention, causes death in order to eliminate suffering constitutes a murder gravely contrary to the dignity of the human person and to the respect due to the living God, his Creator. The error of judgment into which one can fall in good faith does not change the nature of this murderous act, which must always be forbidden and excluded."

 

Learn your faith. If you don't see the tension between the Church's teachings and people on hospice, you're dense. My wife sees it all the time. Priests telling people they should seek treatment and not be on hospice. Cahtolic patients worried they are going to go to hell for not taking more chemo. All sorts of Catholic BS.

 

Don't worry: Other sects are nuts too.

[John Adams]

i'm not writing a thesis or professional correspondence. it seems people can discern my meaning ,so what difference does it make if i don't hit the caps or apostrophe key? grammar issue or not, it's not cool to be a pompous ass.

 

I can discern meaning from WisconsinBills posts; that doesn't make them inoffensive.

 

When you decide to rebuff the rules of grammar, it's disrespectful. If you're in a place where everyone does it, it's the norm. Here, it's not the norm as a sign of respect for each other.

 

Other things that are disrespectful: cursing in front of people you don't know. Spitting in public. Pissing on the toilet seat.

 

If you require other lessons in public decency, please see the poster named stuckincincy. He's got an wikilist of things he considers in bad taste.

[erynthered]

I don't know one Catholic hospice worker and it's safe to say I know a lot hospice workers more than you.

 

 

I know plenty.

[birdog1960]

I can discern meaning from WisconsinBills posts; that doesn't make them inoffensive.

 

When you decide to rebuff the rules of grammar, it's disrespectful. If you're in a place where everyone does it, it's the norm. Here, it's not the norm as a sign of respect for each other.

 

Other things that are disrespectful: cursing in front of people you don't know. Spitting in public. Pissing on the toilet seat.

 

If you require other lessons in public decency, please see the poster named stuckincincy. He's got an wikilist of things he considers in bad taste.

you're worried about me disrespecting other posters because of grammar while you misrepresent the largest organized religion in the country? i'll wager a days pay that i know more about hospice than either of you through my 20 years as an internist caring for hundreds of hospice patients and many more critically ill and dying patients. i can't recall one instance of ever experiencing interference or condemnation from a Catholic priest. i have rarely had issues with any clergy from any faith in such cases. if there's disagreement its usually with the family or due to the patients own strohgly held beliefs which are always respected and deferred to. i have served with clergy on ethics committees and almost always found them reasonable and willing to listen but not always of the same opinion as me. the problem as i see it, comes when these beliefs are forced on nonbelievers . that isn't happening in individual hospice patient cases that i'm involved with.

[birdog1960]

You're fighting with one hand tied behind your back, that's why.

i can only type with one hand. the others not behind my back. transcriptionists are great to know.

[Booster4324]

i can only type with one hand. the others not behind my back. transcriptionists are great to know.

 

That is just too easy. Wow. Apologies if you are somehow physically disabled.

[LeviF]

Mother Teresa ran a "hospice" in India, although I'm not sure if we could call it a "hospice" in the USA. It was a bit more crude than what we think of...