John Adams Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 This was one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever spent reading...and I have graded college essays. I want to torture you too. You're welcome. WILL women soon have a Viagra of their own? Although a Food and Drug Administration advisory panel recently rejected an application to market the drug flibanserin in the United States for women with low libido, it endorsed the potential benefits and urged further research. Several pharmaceutical companies are reported to be well along in the search for such a drug. The implication is that a new pill, despite its unforeseen side effects, is necessary to cure the sexual malaise that appears to have sunk over the country. But to what extent do these complaints about sexual apathy reflect a medical reality, and how much do they actually emanate from the anxious, overachieving, white upper middle class? In the 1950s, female “frigidity” was attributed to social conformism and religious puritanism. But since the sexual revolution of the 1960s, American society has become increasingly secular, with a media environment drenched in sex. The real culprit, originating in the 19th century, is bourgeois propriety. As respectability became the central middle-class value, censorship and repression became the norm. Victorian prudery ended the humorous sexual candor of both men and women during the agrarian era, a ribaldry chronicled from Shakespeare’s plays to the 18th-century novel. The priggish 1950s, which erased the liberated flappers of the Jazz Age from cultural memory, were simply a return to the norm. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/opinion/27Paglia.html?hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 This was one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever spent reading...and I have graded college essays. I want to torture you too. You're welcome. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/opinion/27Paglia.html?hp Did that have any point at all? Blacks apparently[to their credit?] like full figured woman. Thats all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 I want to torture you too. You're welcome. Waterboarding is more humane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 This was one of the biggest wastes of time I've ever spent reading...and I have graded college essays. I want to torture you too. You're welcome. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/27/opinion/27Paglia.html?hp Huge market opportunity for the pharmeceuticals. Viagara purchases and the like are mostly paid for by health insurance and Medicaid and even Medicare to the tune of billion$ per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Sounds like she should buy a Harley so she could have a quarter ton of throbbing steel between her thighs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Nor are husbands offering much stimulation in the male display department: visually, American men remain perpetual boys, as shown by the bulky T-shirts, loose shorts and sneakers they wear from preschool through midlife. So she wants men to wear cod pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster4324 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 So she wants men to wear cod pieces? I was thinking she wants men to wear tight shorts. What is a bulky t-shirt btw? She so needs to get laid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Huge market opportunity for the pharmeceuticals. Viagara purchases and the like are mostly paid for by health insurance and Medicaid and even Medicare to the tune of billion$ per year. Yup. Pathetically, even "I've got a headache honey" is now a medical condition that requires taxpayer funded drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 Yup. Pathetically, even "I've got a headache honey" is now a medical condition that requires taxpayer funded drugs. that's her point: drugs can't cure societal ills. what does it say about a society that is losing a basic biologic instinct, to procreate? i think it's a thoughtful, salient and mostly, on point explanation for a culture that looks to drugs and easy fixes to solve complicated cultural problems much too often. somehow, i'm not surprised you guys arent enamored with camille paglia but what does she know about writing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 that's her point: drugs can't cure societal ills. what does it say about a society that is losing a basic biologic instinct, to procreate? i think it's a thoughtful, salient and mostly, on point explanation for a culture that looks to drugs and easy fixes to solve complicated cultural problems much too often. somehow, i'm not surprised you guys arent enamored with camille paglia but what does she know about writing? No, it's a vapid pseudo-intellectual piece of tripe trying to point a finger at a problem that doesn't even exist, probably written on account of the author's own misplaced sexual frustration. It's laughable that Ms. Paglia believes our entertainment culture can have such a profound effect on our sexual desire. News-flash, buddy...people haven't stopped f*cking. If there's been a small decline in birth rate, it's because of an increased fear of raising children in the recession. The drugs you mention are not for those looking to procreate, they are for those who want to have sex past the point where they were physically supposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 No, it's a vapid pseudo-intellectual piece of tripe trying to point a finger at a problem that doesn't even exist, probably written on account of the author's own misplaced sexual frustration. It's laughable that Ms. Paglia believes our entertainment culture can have such a profound effect on our sexual desire. News-flash, buddy...people haven't stopped f*cking. If there's been a small decline in birth rate, it's because of an increased fear of raising children in the recession. The drugs you mention are not for those looking to procreate, they are for those who want to have sex past the point where they were physically supposed to. praytell, at what point are you physically supposed to stop having sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 praytell, at what point are you physically supposed to stop having sex? At the point where your dick can't get hard by itself anymore. Duh. And for the record, that article is a pointless pile of crap. Shocking that it was in the NY Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 At the point where your dick can't get hard by itself anymore. Duh. And for the record, that article is a pointless pile of crap. Shocking that it was in the NY Times. ummm..women don't have ....never mind. maybe you mean that they've had pelvic surgery (but then why would they be interested in female viagra?) or that the neurotransmitters in their limbic systems are unbalanced (oh wait, they could still physically have sex)... i guess i just can't understand your point ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 At the point where your dick can't get hard by itself anymore. Duh. And for the record, that article is a pointless pile of crap. Shocking that it was in the NY Times. you might want to tell that to the 10's of millions who took male viagra, cialis and levitra last year (and their manufacturers). you seem not to grasp the subtle anatomic and physiologic differences between the sexes. paglia just mentioned androgyny to make a point, she wasn't being literal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 you might want to tell that to the 10's of millions who took male viagra, cialis and levitra last year (and their manufacturers). you seem not to grasp the subtle anatomic and physiologic differences between the sexes. paglia just mentioned androgyny to make a point, she wasn't being literal. She was being an idiot. It reminds me of the South Park when the boys write a dirty book for the sake of being dirty and all the pretentious intellectual types read all the deep symbolic meaning in it. When women, reach a certain age their reproductive system begins to shut down. It's known in women as menopause. They are still capable of having sex and often maintain a certain level of libido, but it is natural for it to subside. The invention of a drug to heighten and maintain the libido is great. The idea that this is some new phenomenon that is brought about by the needs of upper middle class white women to get ahead is mindless drivel that you have to intentionlally dumb yourself down to see the wisdom in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 She was being an idiot. It reminds me of the South Park when the boys write a dirty book for the sake of being dirty and all the pretentious intellectual types read all the deep symbolic meaning in it. When women, reach a certain age their reproductive system begins to shut down. It's known in women as menopause. They are still capable of having sex and often maintain a certain level of libido, but it is natural for it to subside. The invention of a drug to heighten and maintain the libido is great. The idea that this is some new phenomenon that is brought about by the needs of upper middle class white women to get ahead is mindless drivel that you have to intentionlally dumb yourself down to see the wisdom in. this drug was targeted at premenopausal women as much as postmenopausal just as viagra is used recreationally (pprobably for placebo effects) by millions of men without erectile dysfunction. if you don't understand this then you won't "get" her piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 this drug was targeted at premenopausal women as much as postmenopausal just as viagra is used recreationally (pprobably for placebo effects) by millions of men without erectile dysfunction. if you don't understand this then you won't "get" her piece. The menopausal part was simply in reference to the "how old?" question. Again, I think a drug to help women maintain or heighten their libido is great. I just don't think much of her reasoning. But perhaps there was some deep mystifying message that I missed. If you could explain it to me I'd greatly appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 that's her point: drugs can't cure societal ills. what does it say about a society that is losing a basic biologic instinct, to procreate? i think it's a thoughtful, salient and mostly, on point explanation for a culture that looks to drugs and easy fixes to solve complicated cultural problems much too often. somehow, i'm not surprised you guys arent enamored with camille paglia but what does she know about writing? Her ilk revel in the feminization of america. It's people like her that have created her own "problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted June 27, 2010 Share Posted June 27, 2010 No, it's a vapid pseudo-intellectual piece of tripe trying to point a finger at a problem that doesn't even exist,... You must be a good reader Sage because I did not fnd the article vapid at all. I found it slow if anything because was so boring and pathetic I had to try to get trough it as best I could. I agree the rest of the stuff you said but if you got through it so quick that you'd call it vapid, then hats off to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 praytell, at what point are you physically supposed to stop having sex? When your wife says so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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