Free rubbers for Tots in Provincetown, Mass

[DrDawkinstein]

Than teachers should vote to dump their union and tenure system and start leveling pay. It's easy to harp on the $35k/ year recent grad while not doing anything to address the $95k per year old bag who's just going through the motions and shouldn't be anywhere near a classroom.

 

not all states in the country have teacher's unions. about half actually. Georgia has no such thing. Average salary here is NO WHERE NEAR $54,000. i would bet $100 that there is not one teacher in teh entire state working at a public school making over $65,000. Those $95,000 salaries you mention are few and far between. Mostly in districts like Maryvale where they have hired PhDs as teachers and they have been there for 20 years. that doesnt happen here.

 

The average teacher makes $54,000 for 10 months work -- that's $65,000 annualized plus benefits/retirement that is still far richer than the vast majority of Americans receive. Sorry guys, that's not underpaid.

 

Bottom line is there is more than enough money going toward education in this country. It's just going to the wrong places and that's what needs to be fixed. The same crooks that are stealing our money will continue to run the 'underpaid teachers' flag up the pole in an attempt to get even more rather than allocating a proper amount to that portion of teachers that are underpaid.

 

id say Administrators, not teachers, are the ones that are overpaid. You have Prinicpals and Superintendents making well into 6 figures, meanwhile their district and schools are floundering.

 

 

We have thrown tons of money in our local district thanks to the casinos. Yet I still get letters from my son's teachers saying something like, "You're son was disrupteve again today."

 

No **** B word, perhaps because he is bored with your class. I taught him that years ago. Oh and he knows the difference between you're and your and can spell disruptive.

 

/end rant

 

im going with sarcasm here?

[Booster4324]

not all states in the country have teacher's unions. about half actually. Georgia has no such thing. Average salary here is NO WHERE NEAR $54,000.

 

 

 

id say Administrators, not teachers, are the ones that are overpaid. You have Prinicpals and Superintendents making well into 6 figures, meanwhile their district and schools are floundering.

 

 

 

 

im going with sarcasm here?

 

No, I received that exact letter. That was simply the worst.

[DrDawkinstein]

No, I received that exact letter. That was simply the worst.

 

ok, ill bite...

 

so your reaction to your son misbehaving is calling the teacher a B word?

 

lets go back to the start of this thread and the discussion about parental responsibilities and not preparing their kids to behave correctly and learn...

[Booster4324]

ok, ill bite...

 

so your reaction to your son misbehaving is calling the teacher a B word?

 

lets go back to the start of this thread and the discussion about parental responsibilities and not preparing their kids to behave correctly and learn...

 

I didn't call her a B word except in my head. My point was that she was an idiot. My son was misbehaving due to the fact he was bored. He knew the subject matter, so got bored. Make sense now?

[DrDawkinstein]

I didn't call her a B word except in my head. My point was that she was an idiot. My son was misbehaving due to the fact he was bored. He knew the subject matter, so got bored. Make sense now?

 

oh ok, your kid misbehaving is his teacher's fault and not his. him acting like a little punk must mean the teacher is stupid.

 

ok. thank you for proving my point from earlier in this thread.

 

always the teacher's fault, never the parent's and NEVER the child's....

[Ramius]

Than teachers should vote to dump their union and tenure system and start leveling pay. It's easy to harp on the $35k/ year recent grad while not doing anything to address the $95k per year old bag who's just going through the motions and shouldn't be anywhere near a classroom.

 

The average teacher makes $54,000 for 10 months work -- that's $65,000 annualized plus benefits/retirement that is still far richer than the vast majority of Americans receive. Sorry guys, that's not underpaid.

 

Bottom line is there is more than enough money going toward education in this country. It's just going to the wrong places and that's what needs to be fixed. The same crooks that are stealing our money will continue to run the 'underpaid teachers' flag up the pole in an attempt to get even more rather than allocating a proper amount to that portion of teachers that are underpaid.

 

Not sure where they are getting that figure from, but the vast majority of teachers make nowhere near that amount. It is inflated by the worthless 70 year olds making 90k per year and it probably includes the private schools that can afford to pay that much.

 

I've seen the pay scale here in florida. Teachers start off in the mid 20s and its at least 10 years before they hit 40.

 

The "annualized" argument is nothing but a strawman. Teachers are salaried, so that doesn't take into account time spent evenings and weekends prepping materials and lesson plans for class, etc.

[DrDawkinstein]

The "annualized" argument is nothing but a strawman. Teachers are salaried, so that doesn't take into account time spent evenings and weekends prepping materials and lesson plans for class, etc.

 

also the fact that A LOT of supplies in the classroom come from the teacher's own pocket. another friend of mine is a 1st grade teacher, and she spends about $1000 of her own money each year on things for her classroom. the budget that most teacher's get for supplies does not cover half of what they really want to do.

[Ramius]

also the fact that A LOT of supplies in the classroom come from the teacher's own pocket. another friend of mine is a 1st grade teacher, and she spends about $1000 of her own money each year on things for her classroom. the budget that most teacher's get for supplies does not cover half of what they really want to do.

 

Agreed. My mom is a teacher. I've seen how much she spends out of pocket for the classroom.

 

Again, the problem is weeding out crappy and worthless teachers. You could poll the teachers in my mom's building, and they'll all point to the same 3-4 absolutely crappy teachers as being a problem. Unfortunately, there's no way to get rid of them.

[Booster4324]

oh ok, your kid misbehaving is his teacher's fault and not his. him acting like a little punk must mean the teacher is stupid.

 

ok. thank you for proving my point from earlier in this thread.

 

always the teacher's fault, never the parent's and NEVER the child's....

 

No her not knowing the difference between you're and your makes her an idiot. Thanks for playing though. He got an A in the class btw.

[Just Jack]

I didn't call her a B word except in my head. My point was that she was an idiot. My son was misbehaving due to the fact he was bored. He knew the subject matter, so got bored. Make sense now?

I had a similar situation to your sons when I was in 4th grade, though I didn't misbehave. We were doing a project on synonyms and were supposed to be writing down the definitions of the words as she told them to us, for example, they're, there, and their. I wasn't writing them down because I'm not an idiot and know what they meant. She saw I wasn't doing it, picks up me up out of my chair by my shoulders, shook me, and said something that I can't remember now, but it scared the **** outta me.

[RayFinkle]

That was my point -- they are getting paid for the time they work. The "teachers are underpaid" crowd always seem to forget it's not a year round job.

Show me a teacher who only puts in 40 hours a week and you might have an arguement. Most average 50 to 60.

[justnzane]

not all states in the country have teacher's unions. about half actually. Georgia has no such thing. Average salary here is NO WHERE NEAR $54,000. i would bet $100 that there is not one teacher in teh entire state working at a public school making over $65,000. Those $95,000 salaries you mention are few and far between. Mostly in districts like Maryvale where they have hired PhDs as teachers and they have been there for 20 years. that doesnt happen here.

 

id say Administrators, not teachers, are the ones that are overpaid. You have Prinicpals and Superintendents making well into 6 figures, meanwhile their district and schools are floundering.

 

im going with sarcasm here?

 

This is very true. Many principals, athletic directors, and especially superintendents bank in the 6 figures. I had no union protection down in Georgia, and generally hated being called Yankee or Cracker by peers and students (Civil War is still being fought down there in some parts). Let alone, it wasn't worth my pride knowing that teaching remedial classes that most of the kids i was teaching were not heading to a community college or better, with many dealing drugs.

 

Not sure where they are getting that figure from, but the vast majority of teachers make nowhere near that amount. It is inflated by the worthless 70 year olds making 90k per year and it probably includes the private schools that can afford to pay that much.

 

I've seen the pay scale here in florida. Teachers start off in the mid 20s and its at least 10 years before they hit 40.

 

The "annualized" argument is nothing but a strawman. Teachers are salaried, so that doesn't take into account time spent evenings and weekends prepping materials and lesson plans for class, etc.

 

 

Truthful, i made $35,000 base with a $2,000 bonus for teaching math. I walked away from it to return to buffalo to get my masters. So, I am currently substitute teaching which pays ~$85/day depending on the district.

In my full-time, and long-term subbing experiences, you bet your ass i put in at least 60 hours/week for the kids. Figure that 60 hours*40 weeks= 2400 hours/year vs. 52*40= 2080 the average 40/week pulls. So, we may only work 10 months but we do bust our asses off.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

No her not knowing the difference between you're and your makes her an idiot. Thanks for playing though. He got an A in the class btw.

 

Booster, it does indeed sound like this teacher might be an idiot, but the old "he was misbehaving because he was bored" excuse is pretty lame...being disruptive in class is disrespectful to both the teacher and the other students, no matter which way you slice it.

[BuffaloBill]

Booster, it does indeed sound like this teacher might be an idiot, but the old "he was misbehaving because he was bored" excuse is pretty lame...being disruptive in class is disrespectful to both the teacher and the other students, no matter which way you slice it.

 

 

Twice I was invited to schools as part of "career days." In both cases some of the kids talked through presentations and were otherwise disruptive. I was dumbfounded. I get it that maybe the stuff being presented was not the best of Hollywood entertainment but the actions of many of the kids was just outright rude and disrespectful.

 

In one case I took one of the guys who worked with me. He was to talk about his experience as a line guy in the factory. He is a very proud family man and one of the most hard working people I know. He was very excited to talk with the kids. A couple of the students literally starting making fun of him because he smelled of oil and cutting fluid from the equipment he worked with that day. The teacher did not do anything about it. I cut the kids off and pointed out their statements were not appropriate.

 

Needless to say I have never participated in these sorts of events since nor will I again.

[Chef Jim]

This is very true. Many principals, athletic directors, and especially superintendents bank in the 6 figures. I had no union protection down in Georgia, and generally hated being called Yankee or Cracker by peers and students (Civil War is still being fought down there in some parts). Let alone, it wasn't worth my pride knowing that teaching remedial classes that most of the kids i was teaching were not heading to a community college or better, with many dealing drugs.

 

 

 

 

Truthful, i made $35,000 base with a $2,000 bonus for teaching math. I walked away from it to return to buffalo to get my masters. So, I am currently substitute teaching which pays ~$85/day depending on the district.

In my full-time, and long-term subbing experiences, you bet your ass i put in at least 60 hours/week for the kids. Figure that 60 hours*40 weeks= 2400 hours/year vs. 52*40= 2080 the average 40/week pulls. So, we may only work 10 months but we do bust our asses off.

 

I bust my ass with 60 hour weeks 12 months a year. What's your point?

[justnzane]

I bust my ass with 60 hour weeks 12 months a year. What's your point?

 

 

if you wouldn't mind disclosing how much education you have, a general idea of income, and the line of work? That could give me an idea.

 

That said Chef, I give kudos to you as 60 hours/week regardless of profession is bound to take a mental toll on you.

[Booster4324]

Booster, it does indeed sound like this teacher might be an idiot, but the old "he was misbehaving because he was bored" excuse is pretty lame...being disruptive in class is disrespectful to both the teacher and the other students, no matter which way you slice it.

 

Oh, he still was grounded.

[Chef Jim]

if you wouldn't mind disclosing how much education you have, a general idea of income, and the line of work? That could give me an idea.

 

That said Chef, I give kudos to you as 60 hours/week regardless of profession is bound to take a mental toll on you.

 

I am a Regional VP for a Fiancial Planning firm. I have an Associates Degree in Culinary Arts so essentially I did it on a high school diploma and let's just say I'm compensated very well. What this has to do with you feeling you're underpaid I don't know. Just because you have a higher education doesn't automatically mean you should make good money. Lots of poor MBAs and PhDs out there.

 

Oh and 60 weeks only take a toll on you mentally if you let it. I left the restaurant biz to do this so now it's almost like working part time.

[justnzane]

I am a Regional VP for a Fiancial Planning firm. I have an Associates Degree in Culinary Arts so essentially I did it on a high school diploma and let's just say I'm compensated very well. What this has to do with you feeling you're underpaid I don't know. Just because you have a higher education doesn't automatically mean you should make good money. Lots of poor MBAs and PhDs out there.

 

Oh and 60 weeks only take a toll on you mentally if you let it. I left the restaurant biz to do this so now it's almost like working part time.

 

 

ok so my point is that your a VP and you get compesated decently enough. Public sector jobs generally suck and make up for with benefits. That is starting to change due to public outcry. So, my lower than median pay really isn't all that great as i am $75k in the hole for student loans (i am probably above average on this category as i had no parental contributions).

 

So, even at 60 hours a week to be paid like I am, I am gonna be in debt for a while, and i will get flack for having 2 months off from a job that has high turnover due to mental burnout. This goes on top of how children are not taught any lessons of morality and behavior by their parents, and instead blame the teacher for all of the child's shortcomings. Just like our gov't needs to learn to take responsibility, our parents and children need to do the same as opposed to placing the fault on the babysitters, er, teachers.

[damj]

Condoms, secrecy for Provincetown pupils

Parents, official criticize policy

By Jack Nicas, Boston Globe Correspondent / June 24, 2010

 

 

"Students in Provincetown — from elementary school to high school — will be able to get free condoms at school under a recently approved policy that takes effect this fall. The rule also requires school officials to keep student requests secret, and ignore parents’ objections."...

 

(1st graders ok, kindergarteners are SOL)

 

http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/...ncetown_pupils/

ANOTHER reason I'm glad that I send my kids to a private school!