New Iphone can do everything but make phone calls

Malazan · July 16, 2010

if you're using the see and say of phones then you should expect that level of service.

The Dean · July 17, 2010

wow, surprised nothing has been posted about the big Apple press conference today.

here is engadget's report:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-fr...ess-conference/

bottom line:

-they brought up a bunch of other popular phones and showed that they all have antenna/reception flaws, and that this whole thing was overblown because of the popularity of the phone and company.

-everyone who has an iPhone 4 gets a free bumper, or credit for another case.

-OR you can return your phone for a full refund and no restocking fee. AND a refund/cancellation of your AT&T contract.

everything sounds pretty fair

Apple is simply experiencing the other side of the proverbial sword. They have thrived primarily on image (some deserved, some not) and their image is now getting hit (partially unfairly, perhaps).

ExiledInIllinois · July 17, 2010

Apple is simply experiencing the other side of the proverbial sword. They have thrived primarily on image (some deserved, some not) and their image is now getting hit (partially unfairly, perhaps).

That is all I have been saying... Same thing with Toyota.

Lurker · July 17, 2010

Apple is simply experiencing the other side of the proverbial sword. They have thrived primarily on image (some deserved, some not) and their image is now getting hit (partially unfairly, perhaps).

IMO, a lot has to do with the negative psychology that seems to permeate all discourse today as a byproduct of the Great Recession / Anemic Recovery.

Stated another way, everyone loves to just B word, B word, B word....about anything and everything.

(I thought Jobs handled today's press conference pretty well, BTW)

Malazan · July 17, 2010

IMO, a lot has to do with the negative psychology that seems to permeate all discourse today as a byproduct of the Great Recession / Anemic Recovery.

Stated another way, everyone loves to just B word, B word, B word....about anything and everything.

(I thought Jobs handled today's press conference pretty well, BTW)

Seriously, if they just wrap themselves in tin foil and stand at a 74 degree angle then they can make calls just fine. People just want to complain though.

NoSaint · July 17, 2010

Seriously, if they just wrap themselves in tin foil and stand at a 74 degree angle then they can make calls just fine. People just want to complain though.

How many people don't use cases? Even before the issue -- everyone has some sort of case, and that ends the issue.... Why is that so upsetting?

Fezmid · July 17, 2010

How many people don't use cases? Even before the issue -- everyone has some sort of case, and that ends the issue.... Why is that so upsetting?

I don't know about the iPhone specifically, but I've never used a case for any of my phones.

Dan · July 17, 2010

How many people don't use cases? Even before the issue -- everyone has some sort of case, and that ends the issue.... Why is that so upsetting?

I don't use a case for my phone (or iPod).

I never quite understood the concept of buying a nice, pretty phone that's slim and lightweight and then covering it in some big, clunky case?

NoSaint · July 17, 2010

Sorry - maybe its just me but literally every person I know with an iphone uses a case. Its a real expensive phone to replace if your not getting the upgrade or initial sign on price - so adding a slim, often styled case seems pretty much like a no brainer.

The Dean · July 17, 2010

I don't know about the iPhone specifically, but I've never used a case for any of my phones.

Never EVER have I used a case. The thought that I'd have to in order to make a phone work properly is stupid, IMO

Corp000085 · July 17, 2010

I don't use a case for my phone (or iPod).

I never quite understood the concept of buying a nice, pretty phone that's slim and lightweight and then covering it in some big, clunky case?

I have a case for my droid. The droid is a beast to begin with, and the case makes it fatter, but the case is what allows the phone to work with the belt holster. I never EVER put my phone in my pocket, so the depth of the device has no bearing on me anyways. My phone is either holstered to my belt or in my car somewhere.

NoSaint · July 17, 2010

I'm just curious -- ive noticed the big apple bashers tend to have never owned apple products or used them really. Of those that are feeling upset about the design, how many own a new i4? I have a friend who has been posting articles bashing apple on his fb near daily for weeks and when I bumped into him he asked to see the phone cause he had never tried one -- seems like its silly to waste energy bashing a product you haven't tried and don't want....

For the sake of sharing: Personally, I do, I love it, have a slim case that looks really good on the phone and no reception issues.

Dan · July 18, 2010

I have a case for my droid. The droid is a beast to begin with, and the case makes it fatter, but the case is what allows the phone to work with the belt holster. I never EVER put my phone in my pocket, so the depth of the device has no bearing on me anyways. My phone is either holstered to my belt or in my car somewhere.

That makes sense, if you need the case for how you choose to use the phone. I, on the other hand, keep my phone in my pocket. Never on my belt.

But, if you have to have a case just to make it work. No way. And they shouldn't just assume everyone has/wants a case anyway, so no big deal.

To answer NoSaint: I don't have an iPhone, never have. But, not necessarily by choice. ATT service is all but non-existent in many areas I travel. I enjoy apple products and would love one, but until I move or it becomes useable with other carriers, I'll wait. Although, I must say; I use a phone... well for a phone, first and fore most. So, this latest debacle will make me think twice in the future.

I've already been saying for years (since I upgraded from a basic Nokia phone with little antenna that you could pull up) that phone makers keep adding more bells and whistles and forget the phone part. The cheaper the phone, the better the reception, in my limited experience.

ExiledInIllinois · July 18, 2010

Again... Anybody find it funny that Apple has aligned with AT&T? <_<

John Adams · July 18, 2010

Again... Anybody find it funny that Apple has aligned with AT&T?

They made the best deal. Verizon didn't.

The other carriers will get their chance at the iPhone soon, and you'll see AT&T's service improve, while companies like Verizon start to see the burden of carrying such a popular phone.

Fezmid · July 18, 2010

They made the best deal. Verizon didn't.

Which is funny that I don't see much venom being launched at Apple for doing this, but read the threads about Sunday Ticket/DirecTV and some people go ballistic.

Same concept.

DrDawkinstein · July 18, 2010

They made the best deal. Verizon didn't.

The other carriers will get their chance at the iPhone soon, and you'll see AT&T's service improve, while companies like Verizon start to see the burden of carrying such a popular phone.

It wasnt only that AT&T made the best deal as much as they HAD to make the best deal. At the time of both the original negotiations AND the renewal Apple had AT&T bent over a barrel. The iPhone was AT&T's only real smart phone in their entire line. If AT&T lost the exclusivity rights, they'd take a huuuuge loss because they would have nothing unique to offer that customers couldn't get elsewhere (and with better functionality). Apple stuck with AT&T because they were able to stick it to AT&T.

For every iPhone user on the network, AT&T pays Apple $8 EACH MONTH. With all of the millions of iPhones that have been sold, think about how much Apple brings in every month from that deal. Apple would never get that from any other carrier. Even if the network sucks, no smart business man will walk away from that deal.

Chilly · July 18, 2010

It wasnt only that AT&T made the best deal as much as they HAD to make the best deal. At the time of both the original negotiations AND the renewal Apple had AT&T bent over a barrel. The iPhone was AT&T's only real smart phone in their entire line. If AT&T lost the exclusivity rights, they'd take a huuuuge loss because they would have nothing unique to offer that customers couldn't get elsewhere (and with better functionality). Apple stuck with AT&T because they were able to stick it to AT&T.

For every iPhone user on the network, AT&T pays Apple $8 EACH MONTH. With all of the millions of iPhones that have been sold, think about how much Apple brings in every month from that deal. Apple would never get that from any other carrier. Even if the network sucks, no smart business man will walk away from that deal.

The iPhone was AT&T's only real smart phone? I guess all those Blackberries and Winmo phones don't count, huh.

And the iPhone was pretty much the only real "exclusive" platform. Blackberry & Windows Mobile worked with every provider.

Nanker · July 18, 2010

Verizon's is a CDMA network.

The iPhones are GSM.

AT&T invested in GSM technology.

Verizon hasn't - till now.

When the V iPhone hits the market next year, it'll be a GSM model.

Verizon's GSM network will suck about as badly as AT&T's.

John Adams · July 19, 2010

Hardly appears unique to Apple. Just checked a few of them but they were all real. I guess iPhone gets noticed because it's the big boy. Meanwhile, it appears to happen to almost all phones.

* Samsung I9000 Galaxy S: