NY to raise tobacco tax's

[GG]

The price would be higher just based on the fact that a "pack" of joints has something a pack of cigs does not, THC.

 

Is all liquor priced the same?

 

Again, how is pot priced in the open market in CA right now? A lot of good info there.

 

CA is still not an open market because it's still illegal to grow in mass quantities and the supply is tightly controlled.

 

If you want to see market pricing, you should use Amsterdam as the testing ground. On a per ounce basis, it's more expensive than cigarettes, but that's not a good comparison similar to comparing the price of whisky to beer on a per ounce basis. But the upshot is that if pot is legalized, its retial cost will go down significantly even with taxes thrown in.

[KD in CA]

well that's an entirely different issue: should we be putting 90yo with severe lung disease on ventilators, dialysis, bypass surgery? don't know...do you?

Yes I do know. The answer is "No".

 

It's time this country got over its hysterical fear of death and learned to accept the end with some grace and dignity.

[DC Tom]

still no where near covers the public health costs of smoking. 5 days on a ventilator for COPD= $50000+. quitting smoking = priceless.

 

A ventilator is not a public health cost.

[DC Tom]

Did everyone miss the part where the state's going to start requiring the Indian reservations to levy the tax?

 

 

That's gonna be a riot. Figuratively and literally.

[Booster4324]

Did everyone miss the part where the state's going to start requiring the Indian reservations to levy the tax?

 

 

That's gonna be a riot. Figuratively and literally.

 

The injun revenuers are coming! The injun revenuers are coming!

[bills_fan]

Did everyone miss the part where the state's going to start requiring the Indian reservations to levy the tax?

 

 

That's gonna be a riot. Figuratively and literally.

 

 

If that happens, expect the Indians to close the portions of the NYS Thruway that runs through Indian land. Last time they closed the Thruway with burning tires, which they guarded with loaded AK-47s. Nothing NYS troopers could do,a s it was Indian land outside their jurisdiction.

 

They threatened Pataki with erecting a toll on the Thruway if he tried to collect the tax, which they would be well within their right to do.

 

NYS will not win this war.

[Fingon]

I question that completely. Prohibition is not whats causing the cost to be what it is. First off, law enforecement is much more dedicated on tyhe local level to bigger illegal drug issues like cocaine and now heroin, which has made its way to widespread use in suburbia. A dime bag or 1/8th of "regs" is the same price its been for decades now. Plus, pot is easier to obtain than ever before. People, with not much more effort than whats required of planting a vegetable garden can grow their own pot of extremely high quality. Whats driving the cost up is not law enforcement but the use and proliferation of more "designer" pot created to a higher quality. What drives the cost of pot is the product itself. For the most part, pot has been as inflation proof of a commodity as there is.

That's complete bull ****. Prohibitions is driving prices up, and if you don't believe it you know nothing about economics. When it is legal it will be a lot cheaper. There will be vast fields of corporate owned pot, and the price will go down far below the price of tobacco. Marijuana is a weed, it can be grown anywhere, and it can be grown cheaply.

 

You will still have expensive designer strains, just as you can buy very fine tobacco, but the overall cost will decrease immensely.

[Hossage]

Eff government taxing anything, and leave the Indians alone.

[RkFast]

That's complete bull ****. Prohibitions is driving prices up, and if you don't believe it you know nothing about economics. When it is legal it will be a lot cheaper. There will be vast fields of corporate owned pot, and the price will go down far below the price of tobacco. Marijuana is a weed, it can be grown anywhere, and it can be grown cheaply.

 

You will still have expensive designer strains, just as you can buy very fine tobacco, but the overall cost will decrease immensely.

 

Prices are NOT going up, except for the "premium" weed. And even there, prices are pretty stable and have been for a long time.

 

You have posted NOTHING thats factual. ALL of the above is PURE speculation on your part.

 

"Vast fields" of corporate grown pot, huh?

 

I posted facts......YOU posted speculation.

[Alaska Darin]

Prices are NOT going up, except for the "premium" weed. And even there, prices are pretty stable and have been for a long time.

 

You have posted NOTHING thats factual. ALL of the above is PURE speculation on your part.

 

"Vast fields" of corporate grown pot, huh?

 

I posted facts......YOU posted speculation.

He posted what will happen. Basic economics. Government can only tax things to a certain point before a black market is created.

[stuckincincy]

Cig tax is the 3rd largest revenue stream for Ohio.

 

They will wring their hands all day long about the dangers - but make them illegal for the greater good? A couple of months ago, Hamilton County floated an idea of a county tax on cigs to insure the continued good fortune of the protected, elite class - our government workers. State legislator Bill Seitz responded immediately, saying that the tax dough is our swag and we have laws in place to stop you from grabbing our gold.

 

It's inexorable...

[stuckincincy]

Cig tax is the 3rd largest revenue stream for Ohio.

 

They will wring their hands all day long about the dangers - but make them illegal for the greater good? A couple of months ago, Hamilton County floated an idea of a county tax on cigs to insure the continued good fortune of the protected, elite class - our government workers. State legislator Bill Seitz responded immediately, saying that the tax dough is our swag and we have laws in place to stop you from grabbing our gold.

 

It's inexorable...

[3rdnlng]

Cig tax is the 3rd largest revenue stream for Ohio.

 

They will wring their hands all day long about the dangers - but make them illegal for the greater good? A couple of months ago, Hamilton County floated an idea of a county tax on cigs to insure the continued good fortune of the protected, elite class - our government workers. State legislator Bill Seitz responded immediately, saying that the tax dough is our swag and we have laws in place to stop you from grabbing our gold.

 

It's inexorable...

 

 

You can say that again.

[Rob's House]

still no where near covers the public health costs of smoking. 5 days on a ventilator for COPD= $50000+. quitting smoking = priceless.

 

Thank you for illustrating how public health care leads to tyranny. First, we (the govt) pay for all your health care needs. Now we (the govt) have the right to tax and regulate anything and everything that can have an adverse effect on your health.

 

 

On a side note, if you go with the smoker's life expectancy, the government actually saves money because the lack of future social security checks and medicaid payments for other ailments outweighs the medical costs of smoking related diseases.

[Jim in Anchorage]

Cig tax is the 3rd largest revenue stream for Ohio.

 

They will wring their hands all day long about the dangers - but make them illegal for the greater good? A couple of months ago, Hamilton County floated an idea of a county tax on cigs to insure the continued good fortune of the protected, elite class - our government workers. State legislator Bill Seitz responded immediately, saying that the tax dough is our swag and we have laws in place to stop you from grabbing our gold.

 

It's inexorable...

No, No its a fund to pay for smokers iron lung time. It never goes to $40 a hour ditch diggers. After 30 years of paying cigarette tax's I will be forwarding my medical bills to the state. They claim they are paying them already, right?

[stuckincincy]

Thank you for illustrating how public health care leads to tyranny. First, we (the govt) pay for all your health care needs. Now we (the govt) have the right to tax and regulate anything and everything that can have an adverse effect on your health.

 

 

On a side note, if you go with the smoker's life expectancy, the government actually saves money because the lack of future social security checks and medicaid payments for other ailments outweighs the medical costs of smoking related diseases.

 

Yes - the former Price-Waterhouse outfit did a study in 1989 (good luck finding it), that concluded that the best thing for a non-smoker was to offer up a light...

 

And still, the "cost to society" screed continues apace.

[birdog1960]

Thank you for illustrating how public health care leads to tyranny. First, we (the govt) pay for all your health care needs. Now we (the govt) have the right to tax and regulate anything and everything that can have an adverse effect on your health.

 

 

On a side note, if you go with the smoker's life expectancy, the government actually saves money because the lack of future social security checks and medicaid payments for other ailments outweighs the medical costs of smoking related diseases.

link? should we do liver transplants on alcoholics? should we do heart transplants on iv drug abusers? should we do cochlear implants on vicodin addled radio hosts? should we treat gunshot wounds in gang bangers? if you answer no to any of these then we shouldn't waste resources on smokers for self inflicted disease. now THAT would save money and lead to their early demise. currently, anyone over 65 on medicare gets the majority of their care, even tobacco related illness care paid for by the govt. if medicare goes insolvent and you're a smoker, you better hope your hsa is very well funded because the statistics say you are gonna spend great sums. ever seen the differential in private insurance rates for smokers and nonsmokers? ya think maybe that's calculated on some good data?

[Rob's House]

link? should we do liver transplants on alcoholics? should we do heart transplants on iv drug abusers? should we do cochlear implants on vicodin addled radio hosts? should we treat gunshot wounds in gang bangers? if you answer no to any of these then we shouldn't waste resources on smokers for self inflicted disease. now THAT would save money and lead to their early demise. currently, anyone over 65 on medicare gets the majority of their care, even tobacco related illness care paid for by the govt. if medicare goes insolvent and you're a smoker, you better hope your hsa is very well funded because the statistics say you are gonna spend great sums. ever seen the differential in private insurance rates for smokers and nonsmokers? ya think maybe that's calculated on some good data?

 

Congratulations, you completely missed the point and wasted 7 lines on a rant to showcase that.

 

First off, How about WE mind our own f*cking business. If WE're not paying for your health insurance, it's none of our business what you smoke. Hence the point of my first post which clearly parted your hair down the middle.

 

Secondly, The differential in private insurance is where the smoker is already paying extra for the care he may need. Private insurers don't pay social security benefits and thus their costs wouldn't be offset by the lack of ss payments; another point that cruised by at an elevation slightly above your height.

 

Here's your link:

http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/kip.htm

[birdog1960]

Congratulations, you completely missed the point and wasted 7 lines on a rant to showcase that.

 

First off, How about WE mind our own f*cking business. If WE're not paying for your health insurance, it's none of our business what you smoke. Hence the point of my first post which clearly parted your hair down the middle.

 

Secondly, The differential in private insurance is where the smoker is already paying extra for the care he may need. Private insurers don't pay social security benefits and thus their costs wouldn't be offset by the lack of ss payments; another point that cruised by at an elevation slightly above your height.

nearly everyone that lives past 65 and paid in will be on medicare (almost no one opts out) ..if smokers want to rescind that privelige, then i accept your point , chief. if they won't, then i'm gonna help pay there excessive cost after they qualify.

[Rob's House]

nearly everyone that lives past 65 and paid in will be on medicare (almost no one opts out) ..if smokers want to rescind that privelige, then i accept your point , chief. if they won't, then i'm gonna help pay there excessive cost after they qualify.

 

Medicare is socialized medicine for the elderly. It's existence reshapes the structure of private insurance. And why would anyone refuse it when they're already forced to pay for it?

 

http://www.forces.org/evidence/files/kip.htm