8 in the box will still trouble Bill's Offense

[Dan]

are you freaking serious,do you not think Galiey will know what to do if he constantly sees eight in the box.

 

have you not listened to the players talk of all the shifting and motion in Galieys offense and how happy they are to see that and its going to cause defenses trouble.

 

with guys like spiller,nelson,evans and roscoe on the field along with lynch or jackson its pretty simple really the QB sees 8 in the box they shift out of the run and throw the freaking ball to any one of 4 guys.

 

you totally forget that we now have a coach who knows how to run a offense and score points. i think galiey would love to see 8 in the box because with our talent we will hurt people!

Considering none of us have seen anything of the offense the team will be running, I think it's entirely too early to panic about how our offense cannot react to opposing defenses. However, there are an increasing number of indications that point towards our offense be heavily reliant upon the run game.

 

The above bolded comment is critical, IMO. Because once you establish a run first, run often offense; defenses will react with various looks and crowd the line ans stop they run. At that point, we have to have a QB that can recognize the defense and make the proper hot reads. That's what we've been missing for years. There's no evidence that Trent can do that. So, once again, it all comes down to the QB. He's going to have to read the defense, audible, and make the proper throws to receivers running routes (as opposed to guys that run 15-20 yards down field, stop, and turn around waiting to have the ball thrown).

 

The line doesn't have to block long, if the QB can make a presnap read and throw the ball within a couple of seconds. But, to do that, not only does the QB need to have some brains and accuracy, he also needs some balls. Do that and you begin to back the defense up a little, which helps to open some running lanes. Don't do that, and we see the same thing we've seen for years - Moorman punting.

[Meathead]

without a line looser than lindsey lohan at an all you can drink viagra party the qbs will have more than two and a half seconds to set up to throw medium and long balls. thus stacking the box wont be nearly the problem it was last season regardless of who plays qb

 

unfortunately the defense will give up ground territory like an iraqi republican guard made up entirely of andy dicks so the improved offense wont salvage the season either

 

four wins

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

Considering none of us have seen anything of the offense the team will be running, I think it's entirely too early to panic about how our offense cannot react to opposing defenses. However, there are an increasing number of indications that point towards our offense be heavily reliant upon the run game.

 

The above bolded comment is critical, IMO. Because once you establish a run first, run often offense; defenses will react with various looks and crowd the line ans stop they run. At that point, we have to have a QB that can recognize the defense and make the proper hot reads. That's what we've been missing for years. There's no evidence that Trent can do that. So, once again, it all comes down to the QB. He's going to have to read the defense, audible, and make the proper throws to receivers running routes (as opposed to guys that run 15-20 yards down field, stop, and turn around waiting to have the ball thrown).

 

The line doesn't have to block long, if the QB can make a presnap read and throw the ball within a couple of seconds. But, to do that, not only does the QB need to have some brains and accuracy, he also needs some balls. Do that and you begin to back the defense up a little, which helps to open some running lanes. Don't do that, and we see the same thing we've seen for years - Moorman punting.

good post!

[John from Riverside]

Yeah, but going deep, at least occasionally, unclogs those intermediate routes.

 

Oh for sure Thurman no doubt....and it is one of my big beefs with this offense that we DONT go deep more often then we do.......

 

But I want them to do it not as the staple of the offense but off of PLAY ACTION which works much better when the offense is not so predictable aka run run 5 yard pass

[John from Riverside]

without a line looser than lindsey lohan at an all you can drink viagra party the qbs will have more than two and a half seconds to set up to throw medium and long balls. thus stacking the box wont be nearly the problem it was last season regardless of who plays qb

 

unfortunately the defense will give up ground territory like an iraqi republican guard made up entirely of andy dicks so the improved offense wont salvage the season either

 

four wins

 

 

Actually if the offense improves we just might have a decent season....because i am expecting the defense to be much better.....teams are not going to run on us nearly as easily as they did last year which will force teams to pass and to play into our strength........

 

I really just dont know what to expect out of this season

[DarthICE]

No one fears fits or edwards, no one. They all know they have to just sit on routes and pressure the QB. Neither is going to make a defense consistantly pay nor strike fear into anyone. We better hope Brohm is the answer.

[Ghost of Rob Johnson]

Running game will get clogged up. Simple football, must have some over the top threat.

An over the top threat isn't absolutely necessary, the use of play action and an intermediate passing game would work. However Lee Evans has been a successful downfield option in the past.

[Rockinon]

without a line looser than lindsey lohan at an all you can drink viagra party the qbs will have more than two and a half seconds to set up to throw medium and long balls. thus stacking the box wont be nearly the problem it was last season regardless of who plays qb

 

unfortunately the defense will give up ground territory like an iraqi republican guard made up entirely of andy dicks so the improved offense wont salvage the season either

 

four wins

Now I know why they call you Meathead.

[Buffalonian-at-Heart]

Considering none of us have seen anything of the offense the team will be running, I think it's entirely too early to panic about how our offense cannot react to opposing defenses. However, there are an increasing number of indications that point towards our offense be heavily reliant upon the run game.

 

The above bolded comment is critical, IMO. Because once you establish a run first, run often offense; defenses will react with various looks and crowd the line ans stop they run. At that point, we have to have a QB that can recognize the defense and make the proper hot reads. That's what we've been missing for years. There's no evidence that Trent can do that. So, once again, it all comes down to the QB. He's going to have to read the defense, audible, and make the proper throws to receivers running routes (as opposed to guys that run 15-20 yards down field, stop, and turn around waiting to have the ball thrown).

 

The line doesn't have to block long, if the QB can make a presnap read and throw the ball within a couple of seconds. But, to do that, not only does the QB need to have some brains and accuracy, he also needs some balls. Do that and you begin to back the defense up a little, which helps to open some running lanes. Don't do that, and we see the same thing we've seen for years - Moorman punting.

 

The line has to block. Every pass can't be a pre snap read. That's a little pie in the sky. All I'm saying is we had a poor line last year, even before the injuries and we haven't done a whole lot to address it. I agree that all of our opinions are conjecture at this point because we haven't seen the team play, but I think its a safe assumption the line is going to present issues for us this year.

[mpl6876]

I honestly think we are going to struggle offensively. I think in lieu of hiring an offensive head coach, the defense is going to be pretty good. That in turn will give the offense more opportunity and keep us in games. In saying that I think we will be much improved offensively or should I say organized.

 

I think we are going to see good drives (imagine that) during games and throughout the season. We'll see a game plan. I think we will see flashes of an offense that could be consistent. But I don't think we will be consistent because of our overall lack of talent on the line and possibly QB play.

 

Gailey is a talented play caller and he knows how to read and setup defenses. So we are going to see some cool stuff. I don't have a good read on our QB situation. I think our best chance is if Edwards emerges and if he does we may see even more consistency as I mentioned. But guys I'm here to tell you our O line is not good. And there's only so much you can do to overcome that. A lot of questions will be answered this year about going forward, and I think that's a positive, we will finally move forward.

 

 

Good post, I agree with what you siad and how you said it.

[mpl6876]

Considering none of us have seen anything of the offense the team will be running, I think it's entirely too early to panic about how our offense cannot react to opposing defenses. However, there are an increasing number of indications that point towards our offense be heavily reliant upon the run game.

 

The above bolded comment is critical, IMO. Because once you establish a run first, run often offense; defenses will react with various looks and crowd the line ans stop they run. At that point, we have to have a QB that can recognize the defense and make the proper hot reads. That's what we've been missing for years. There's no evidence that Trent can do that. So, once again, it all comes down to the QB. He's going to have to read the defense, audible, and make the proper throws to receivers running routes (as opposed to guys that run 15-20 yards down field, stop, and turn around waiting to have the ball thrown).

 

The line doesn't have to block long, if the QB can make a presnap read and throw the ball within a couple of seconds. But, to do that, not only does the QB need to have some brains and accuracy, he also needs some balls. Do that and you begin to back the defense up a little, which helps to open some running lanes. Don't do that, and we see the same thing we've seen for years - Moorman punting.

 

Good post.

[Pilsner]

without a line looser than lindsey lohan at an all you can drink viagra party the qbs will have more than two and a half seconds to set up to throw medium and long balls. thus stacking the box wont be nearly the problem it was last season regardless of who plays qb

 

unfortunately the defense will give up ground territory like an iraqi republican guard made up entirely of andy dicks so the improved offense wont salvage the season either

 

four wins

 

 

Lol a little comic relief is good for the soul. and for this board as well.

 

I'm thinking more than 4 wins though.

[....lybob]

The line has to block. Every pass can't be a pre snap read. That's a little pie in the sky. All I'm saying is we had a poor line last year, even before the injuries and we haven't done a whole lot to address it. I agree that all of our opinions are conjecture at this point because we haven't seen the team play, but I think its a safe assumption the line is going to present issues for us this year.

 

Agreed it's about the OL first, QB second and WR third- when I look at them with my fan eyes I think of all the young players who could step up (Bell, Woods, Levitre, Meredith, Brohm, Hardy, Easley, Johnson) - but when you think dispassionately about it you realize that using this criteria there are 32 NFL teams excited about play-off runs.

[Dan]

The line has to block. Every pass can't be a pre snap read. That's a little pie in the sky. All I'm saying is we had a poor line last year, even before the injuries and we haven't done a whole lot to address it. I agree that all of our opinions are conjecture at this point because we haven't seen the team play, but I think its a safe assumption the line is going to present issues for us this year.

I very much agree with you. However, I think you can cover for a below average line easier than you can a below average QB. A strong run game combined with a short, quick passing game means the line doesn't have to hold their blocks for that long. Of course, you're right, they'll still have to block and occasionally hold their blocks longer. If all your passes are quick slants and outs, the defense will still play up and jump the routes. So, they'll have to go deep on occasion. However, give a bad QB a really good line and he'll still make bad decisions and bad throws.

 

I'm not suggesting that our offense will be fine this year, I'm suggesting that 8 defenders in the box, playing the run, can be backed off with a quick passing game. Not all passes need to be 7 step drops, while you go through your reads. A healthy dose of 3 step drops with quick passes to the 1st target, covered or not, can be effective. But, our QB has to be able to execute that quick passing game.

[GaryPinC]

The fact that Jauron is not prohibiting his QB's from audibling out of bad plays, there will be a variety of motions and sets installed, hopefully more play action passes and screens, and the probability that Gailey has a sense how to orchestrate an offense (set up certain plays, etc) should keep the opposing defense from knowing what the Bills offense is going to run. This all should make a big difference IMO.

 

Only bad news is that with the new system we will probably have to wait till mid-season before it's all installed and the offense can execute it properly.

[Sisyphean Bills]

I very much agree with you. However, I think you can cover for a below average line easier than you can a below average QB. A strong run game combined with a short, quick passing game means the line doesn't have to hold their blocks for that long. Of course, you're right, they'll still have to block and occasionally hold their blocks longer. If all your passes are quick slants and outs, the defense will still play up and jump the routes. So, they'll have to go deep on occasion. However, give a bad QB a really good line and he'll still make bad decisions and bad throws.

 

I'm not suggesting that our offense will be fine this year, I'm suggesting that 8 defenders in the box, playing the run, can be backed off with a quick passing game. Not all passes need to be 7 step drops, while you go through your reads. A healthy dose of 3 step drops with quick passes to the 1st target, covered or not, can be effective. But, our QB has to be able to execute that quick passing game.

Unfortunately, the Jauron Bills tried to back off defenses with the quick passing game for years now (how many posts were there praising Trent Edwards' quick release?) and it didn't work. If your team can't hit a 3-pointer in basketball, the defense doesn't have to defend it. It's just that simple.

 

[General thread comment.] There is a wide disparity amongst play callers in the NFL just like everything else in the game. It is exactly like there is a difference between having Peyton Manning or JaMarcus Russell as your starting QB. The Bills have upgraded that aspect of their team in a move that may be something like going from Josh Freeman to Kyle Orton. (Sorry, I'm not going to drink the Gailey is the best offensive mind in the game Kool Aid until he shows us the baby.) How much that will impact everything else, we shall see.