Dan Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking ..... I stopped reading right there. No good could possibly come from a post that entails thinking and such.
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 Don't deflect, blame your error onto this board's posters. You know full well what is common usage here after your 91 posts. If something "screwy" happened, go back and edit - simple. You have the ability to modify the font and size of what you post. RIGHT? what error???!!!
KD in CA Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Because he's a high pick, and a wierd pick (i.e. we took him high when most rated him a forth rounder) Which team's draft boards did you review to make this determination?
wonderbread Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I stopped reading right there. No good could possibly come from a post that entails thinking and such. Point, Set, Match!
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 I dunno what you are talking about with the low/high picks. Wood was a 1st rounder and byrd was a second rounder (all higher than the spot Troup was taken) and levritre was a second round pick. Those ARE high picks. And I don't know any teams that almost always hit on their high picks (I am guessing you mean top 3 rounds?) And if high picks are so important, why is troup's success more important than Spillar, who is a first rounder? Troup was a high 2nd rounder as well. I'm not sure were the cut-off line of what a high pick is, but a high 2nd id a high pick. Look at the Ravens and Colts for the best current GMing, but you're right, noone hits all the time. What I'm trying to say is that troup's play (because of the aforementioned reasoning) will be a good indicator, nothing more....I hope he isn't another McCargo... Spiller doesn't count because he was, by far, the safest pick in this year's draft, and maybe our staff took him for that reason.....
SuperKillerRobots Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS Absolutely correct in saying that a lot of our success or lack thereof this year will be the result of Troup's play. He is going to be one of the biggest cogs in the run defense, which should translate into time of possession, which translates to offensive chances, etc, etc. I agree with this being an important pick for the new FO and one that will show how well they can evaluate talent. Troup was picked early in the 2nd round and basically started a run on NT prospects through the second round and into the third. They had their pick of the NTs and they choose Troup. He's their guy and has to produce this year. It's for this reason I think your comparison to McCargo is way off. McCargo was a reach out of need. There were no other DTs taken until late in the third or fourth round that year - basically not a good year for DTs. In the case of Troup, they took him because they thought he was the best, not because that's all that was left.
SuperKillerRobots Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm well aware of young linemen's rookie woes....but you can see if they have skills or not (if you watch closely or if he gets shoved down the field often). and about my Mccargo/ Troup comparison....whaddaya mean?!! It doesn't really matter what positions they play! They were both drafted way higher than expected, they were both drafted very high overall, and they were both the second selection of their draft. But I do think the fact that they are both Defensive lineman adds to the familiararity of the 2 picks.... Man you guys are a tough crowd....complaining about text size? nitpicky things,,,,maybe the poster has little computer knowledge and maybe somethin' screwy happend when he was cutting and pastin'; or somethin like that ...so picky...tsk...tsk...tsk GO BILLS! Cut and pasted from the Rumblings site, eh....? You ain't in Kansas anymore, buddy. Buffalorumblings.com is OTAs and this is overtime in the Super Bowl as far as poster intensity is concerned. It's dog eat dog, punch your sister in the face, steal Tim Anderson's lunch pail here.
Delete This Account Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 So if TT is a bust, the FO still sucks? it might be the other way around, but it's still ok to hail troup, i guess, even if that should happen. jw
FluffHead Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 The OP managed to spell Torell's name about 4 different ways in one post. yikes
Andre Speed Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I think that... in order for Troup to succeed, he may also have to be successful at something(as far as being successful at succeeding is concerned). in my experience, that's one of the quickest ways to gain success. OMG, that's IT ! "we have nothing to succeed at, but success itself." i'm so brilliant. wait... whud i say ? AS
damj Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I, I don't care if they, if they lay me off either, because I, I told Bill that if he moves my desk one more time, then, then I'm quitting. I'm going to quit. And I told Dom too because they've moved my desk four times. I used to be by the window, where I could see the squirrels and they were merry. But then they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline. They have my staples for the Boston and I kept the staples from the Swingline stapler.
Cookiemonster Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I don't know, but I am glad someone else in this thread is already half drunk at noon There fixed!
Alphadawg7 Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 That's my theory, barring unpreventable things like injury, illness and other things.... Ever heard of Bill Walsh? A great eye for talent, one of the best ever. He traded up to get JJ Stokes and called him the next Jerry Rice...I bet you have never heard of JJ Stokes who was never anything more than a 2nd or 3rd WR and basically a bust. Point is, FO people miss all the time no matter how great the FO. In fact, statistically the FO will be wrong MORE than they are right, but its the ability to find depth and players consistently in each draft...but not every player, even high drafted players are going to pan out. FYI: We took players below where they were graded in almost every round...and draft grades are meaningless once the season begins.
Green Lightning Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS It's Torrell Troup. Not Terell, not Torrel or Torel. You have used three names and none of them correct.
Sisyphean Bills Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 It's Torrell Troup. Not Terell, not Torrel or Torel. You have used three names and none of them correct. Troupee, Claussssen, sticky keyboards and tighty whities...
DrFishfinder Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 It's Torrell Troup. Not Terell, not Torrel or Torel. You have used three names and none of them correct. Torrell, Torrel, bo-Borrell, Banana-fana fo-Forrell Fee-fi-mo-Morrell Torrell! ....annnnnnd GO!
Green Lightning Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Troupee, Claussssen, sticky keyboards and tighty whities... sissy peon, cystapeeing, whatever.....typos I can take but OP should just take terrell, torel, torell and pick one as his primary mistake and run with it. I'm just saying....
sllib olaffub Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 There is quite a bit of faulty logic going on there, IMO. First off, don't discount Kyle Williams. He's a tough, tough player - and his size is not much different than Dallas Cowboys NT - who is considered an up and coming talent - which is to say, Kyle can get it done there. But, our F.O. knows that he'll be better if he doesn't have to play every down. Keeping him fresh will be big. Also, our F.O. took Troupe when there were still a bunch of options at NT - inluding Mount Cody, who by all reports is looking really good so far in Baltimore. Our scouts and evaluators must've seen some very special things in Troupe to go ahead as quickly as they did with the pick. Even if he just holds his own, it'll be an o.k. pick. Consider players like B.J. Raji and Ziggy Hood, and there's another guy who looked a lot like Warren Sapp who came out - did he go to the Saints? - but, these guys have been pretty silent in their rookie campaigns, and no one is saying they are busts. It'll take time for these rookies, but my guess is that he'll play alright for us, despite being a rookie, because I don't think our coaches will ask more of him than he'll be capable of.
oak tree 12 Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS
eschej13 Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I love the whole mentality that somebody needs to be 330 to play DT in a 3-4. Kelly Gregg is a fine nose in Baltimore and he's 6'0" 305. Jay Ratliff in Dallas isn't that big, he's about 305. Its about the mentality. There is not a player in the league who will outwork Kyle Williams. Troup will be an important rotational piece, no doubt. But, Williams will surprise me if he doesn't hold it down in the middle. All this guy has done since he was drafted was prove people wrong.
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