theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS
damj Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS
Hossage Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Dude, theres a blue light special in aisle four. Go there. Sorry, im half drunk. What you said seems so, assuming none of our other NTs do well.
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm lost. And it is not just because for some reason you decided big text would make it sound better . But I don't see why he has to play well for the whole team to be successful. He aint playing offense or special teams and he aint the only NT on the team. The NT postion is going to be rotational. The bills success doesn't lean all on troup. To be honest, for this whole team to be successful (make the playoffs) it would take a near miricle or some amazing coaching. But there is no way our success is going to be good or bad based on a 2nd rounder who hasn't even played a down yet. You have to actually be a franchise player to be THAT important.
GOBILLS78 Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm lost. And it is not just because for some reason you decided big text would make it sound better . Ha. Once I saw that text, I decided this thread wasn't for me.
CarolinaBill Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Just dont look at the stats too much, over 90% of 1st yr dlineman that last 8 yrs have had below avg #'s, plus being a NT he wont have big #'s anyway. oh, and mccargo and troup arent remotely close to being the same, aside from both being dlinemen.
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 I'm lost. And it is not just because for some reason you decided big text would make it sound better . But I don't see why he has to play well for the whole team to be successful. He aint playing offense or special teams and he aint the only NT on the team. The NT postion is going to be rotational. The bills success doesn't lean all on troup. To be honest, for this whole team to be successful (make the playoffs) it would take a near miricle or some amazing coaching. But there is no way our success is going to be good or bad based on a 2nd rounder who hasn't even played a down yet. You have to actually be a franchise player to be THAT important. Because he's a high pick, and a wierd pick (i.e. we took him high when most rated him a forth rounder) His play, by years end, will be a good indicator of our braintrusts (modrak, nix and the guy from pitt) abilty to draft well.... GO BILLS!
stuckincincy Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I'm lost. And it is not just because for some reason you decided big text would make it sound better . But I don't see why he has to play well for the whole team to be successful. He aint playing offense or special teams and he aint the only NT on the team. The NT postion is going to be rotational. The bills success doesn't lean all on troup. To be honest, for this whole team to be successful (make the playoffs) it would take a near miricle or some amazing coaching. But there is no way our success is going to be good or bad based on a 2nd rounder who hasn't even played a down yet. You have to actually be a franchise player to be THAT important. I wish they wouldn't have shot off their mouth before the draft, and not announced to 31 other teams that they were going to a 3-4 and were in the market for a NT. Same with the "scatback' pap...grrr. Even the idiot Candy Stripers by the Ohio River realized the value of keeping one's trap shut... "Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer hasn't decided yet if he's going to show more 3-4 looks out of his base 4-3 this year than in his two previous seasons in Cincinnati. He's not showing his cards. Just to keep foes guessing, he has simplified the scheme and given more players more roles just in case the Bengals do use more 3-4."... http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/New-...93-15d29dc0acf7
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Because he's a high pick, and a wierd pick (i.e. we took him high when most rated him a forth rounder) His play, by years end, will be a good indicator of our braintrusts (modrak, nix and the guy from pitt) abilty to draft well.... GO BILLS! Well, these are the same people (Except Whaley) that picked Byrd in the 2nd round last year, so maybe that indicates somthin? And it wasn't a wierd pick. The main reason he wasn't rated high by the talking heads was because he came from a small school, and they get a lot less exposure. A lot of people thought terrance cody would be better, but in reality, troup was a safer pick because he was in better shape and didn't have the conditioning issues cody had. I think last year's draft was really where things changed and nix came aboard. I don't think their standing with the fans is going to depend on this one pick. Especially if a lot of those other picks workout really well. It depends on how the draft class does as a whole, not what one pick does. Last years draft class was pretty good, but maybin still sucked it up, which was kind of expected. But as a whole (byrd, wood, levitre) were great.
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 Just dont look at the stats too much, over 90% of 1st yr dlineman that last 8 yrs have had below avg #'s, plus being a NT he wont have big #'s anyway. oh, and mccargo and troup arent remotely close to being the same, aside from both being dlinemen. I'm well aware of young linemen's rookie woes....but you can see if they have skills or not (if you watch closely or if he gets shoved down the field often). and about my Mccargo/ Troup comparison....whaddaya mean?!! It doesn't really matter what positions they play! They were both drafted way higher than expected, they were both drafted very high overall, and they were both the second selection of their draft. But I do think the fact that they are both Defensive lineman adds to the familiararity of the 2 picks.... Man you guys are a tough crowd....complaining about text size? nitpicky things,,,,maybe the poster has little computer knowledge and maybe somethin' screwy happend when he was cutting and pastin'; or somethin like that ...so picky...tsk...tsk...tsk GO BILLS!
HurlyBurly51 Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I don't know, but I am glad someone in this thread is already half drunk at noon
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 So if TT is a bust, the FO still sucks? That's my theory, barring unpreventable things like injury, illness and other things....
stuckincincy Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Man you guys are a tough crowd....complaining about text size? nitpicky things,,,,maybe the poster has little computer knowledge and maybe somethin' screwy happend when he was cutting and pastin'; or somethin like that...so picky...tsk...tsk...tsk GO BILLS! Don't deflect, blame your error onto this board's posters. You know full well what is common usage here after your 91 posts. If something "screwy" happened, go back and edit - simple. You have the ability to modify the font and size of what you post. RIGHT?
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 That's my theory, barring unpreventable things like injury, illness and other things.... So, spillar, Carrington, Easley can be just awesome this year and troup can suck it up and the front office would still suck? I just don't see how the front office can be judged by one pick. They should be judged by the draft class as a whole. Last years draft looks REALLY good right now, even though maybin had a terrible rookie season and is a huge question mark. But with wood, levitre, and byrd, that draft class is lookin mighty good so far. Judging by just one pick sounds kinda silly.
Sisyphean Bills Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 So if TT is a bust, the FO still sucks? Maybin. Maybin not.
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 Well, these are the same people (Except Whaley) that picked Byrd in the 2nd round last year, so maybe that indicates somthin? And it wasn't a wierd pick. The main reason he wasn't rated high by the talking heads was because he came from a small school, and they get a lot less exposure. A lot of people thought terrance cody would be better, but in reality, troup was a safer pick because he was in better shape and didn't have the conditioning issues cody had. I think last year's draft was really where things changed and nix came aboard. I don't think their standing with the fans is going to depend on this one pick. Especially if a lot of those other picks workout really well. It depends on how the draft class does as a whole, not what one pick does. Last years draft class was pretty good, but maybin still sucked it up, which was kind of expected. But as a whole (byrd, wood, levitre) were great. Your point about byrd, levitre and wood is well taken, but historicly, most great talent gatherers, almost always hit on their high picks and catch a couple low-ones here and there. And as far as Troup goes... there are tons of small school players that were well known before the draft and were drafted highly. McCargo and Troup are not two of them.... GO BILLS!
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 Your point about byrd, levitre and wood is well taken, but historicly, most great talent gatherers, almost always hit on their high picks and catch a couple low-ones here and there.And as far as Troup goes... there are tons of small school players that were well known before the draft and were drafted highly. McCargo and Troup are not two of them.... GO BILLS! I dunno what you are talking about with the low/high picks. Wood was a 1st rounder and byrd was a second rounder (all higher than the spot Troup was taken) and levritre was a second round pick. Those ARE high picks. And I don't know any teams that almost always hit on their high picks (I am guessing you mean top 3 rounds?) And if high picks are so important, why is troup's success more important than Spillar, who is a first rounder?
MrNix Posted June 17, 2010 Posted June 17, 2010 I was thinking about a fan post I read the other day, I can't remember what the title was or what it was supposed to be about.,but everyone started to talk about Torell Troup and the fact that he has to play well, for our defense to be successful. It struck me as odd because there was little disagreement on this matter. I was thinking about the truth in that summary, when it dawned on me that he has to play well for the whole team to be sucessful. Think about it, if he gets shoved all over the field this year, rookie or not, that's a lousy pick. He's a very high draft choice and Nix and Modrak stated that your ones and twos (draft choices) have to be able to play as rookies. I for one, for the most part, agree with that statement. And if he's a lousy pick, he will remind you of a another lousy pick; John McCargo. McCargo was drafted under the same circumstance as Terrel. Drafted way higher than most had him rated. This continuity suggests perhaps that the same guy drafted them, and that guy would be Tom Modrak . Not only that, but his boss, Buddy Nix approved it. So, it would suggest that it is highly likely that we will have to start from scratch soon, yet again. So if we want to learn if the Bills new braintrust knows how to find talent, and we do; Torel Troup's rookie season will be as good indicator as anything.... All Hail Torrel Troup! Terell Troup! GO BILLS Cut and pasted from the Rumblings site, eh....?
theranter Posted June 17, 2010 Author Posted June 17, 2010 So, spillar, Carrington, Easley can be just awesome this year and troup can suck it up and the front office would still suck? I just don't see how the front office can be judged by one pick. They should be judged by the draft class as a whole. Last years draft looks REALLY good right now, even though maybin had a terrible rookie season and is a huge question mark. But with wood, levitre, and byrd, that draft class is lookin mighty good so far. Judging by just one pick sounds kinda silly. Historically, most primo talent evaluators, hit on high picks. I don't think that it's impossible for the braintrust to do well, I think Troup's play will be a good indicator of future success.... And yes, last years draft class is looking very good, point taken! GO BILLS!
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