John from Riverside Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 All I know is that the redskins every year go out and get the prize free agents.....and they dont win any more then we do.......for christ sake their pick was BETTER then ours this year........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 There was no salary cap at the time and Ralph was being sorely outspent by the larger, higher revenue teams. But Polian had a hand in things, giving bad deals to average guys like Kelso and Wright (off the top of my head). If the salary cap had existed years before, things might have turned out different. Or not. Hence the reason I mentioned Carolina and Polian leaving a sinking ship. Which he'll do with the Colts when it's time. I doubt Ralph had a crystal ball back then. If he did, he might have had the Bills totally tank the 1997 season, so they could draft Manning in 1998. If there was a championship for twisting and distorting facts and history you would be triumphantly lifting the trophy. Bill Polian is a HOF GM who had a historical run for the Bills. Assembling teams which got to the SB in four consecutive years will probably never again be matched. (Your frequently changing explanation for Ralph's disasterous decision to fire Polian is now that he gave out some bad contracts. Laughable, purely laughable. The explanation for his dismissal is very simple. The owner sided with Litton, his finance man, when it came to one staying and the other leaving. Your explanation about the reason why Polian left his position with Carolina is another one of your creative distortions. Polian took an expansion team and got it into the championship game in its second year. Compare that to the Bills who probably won't get into the playoffs for nearly a generation. The reason why Polian left Carolina is very simple. The owner didn't want an organization structure where a strongman GM thoroughly dominated the football operation. It was simply a philosophical difference. The owner has the right to run the organization the way he wants to. There was no rancor in BP's departure. The same scenario played out in New England where Bill Parcells wanted to have a larger say in running the football operation than the owner, Robert Kraft, wanted to give him. It was a philosophical difference in which the owner has the final say on how to structure his organization. Just like BP moving on Parcells moved on. I doubt Ralph had a crystal ball back then. Ralph for a long time has been very predictable. When you make decisions such as hiring an ill-equipped Levy to take over your football operations and dismiss one of the best GMs in the history of the NFL the outcomes are very predictable. With Ralph you don't need a crystal ball. Just keep your eyes open and see what is in plain sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 The hiring of TD was widely hailed, because of TD's work with the Steelers. Hiring Marv and then Brandon I'll grant you were bad moves. But you seem to like Nix and Gailey. If they fail, is it because of Ralph? I do like Nix and Gailey. They seem to have a direction and purposeful execution of their rebuilding plans. What I am impressed with is their not making epedient and costly moves to address some immediate needs. My primary concern for this non-playoff team is still the OL, especially at LT. If they fail, is it because of Ralph? No one can answer that question because we don't now know the level of involvementthis goofy owner is going to be with the operation and how much support he is going to give his front office. Basically, what I am saying is the less involved this baron owner is involved the better chance this team has to succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 If there was a championship for twisting and distorting facts and history you would be triumphantly lifting the trophy. Bill Polian is a HOF GM who had a historical run for the Bills. Assembling teams which got to the SB in four consecutive years will probably never again be matched. (Your frequently changing explanation for Ralph's disasterous decision to fire Polian is now that he gave out some bad contracts. Laughable, purely laughable. The explanation for his dismissal is very simple. The owner sided with Litton, his finance man, when it came to one staying and the other leaving. Your explanation about the reason why Polian left his position with Carolina is another one of your creative distortions. Polian took an expansion team and got it into the championship game in its second year. Compare that to the Bills who probably won't get into the playoffs for nearly a generation. The reason why Polian left Carolina is very simple. The owner didn't want an organization structure where a strongman GM thoroughly dominated the football operation. It was simply a philosophical difference. The owner has the right to run the organization the way he wants to. There was no rancor in BP's departure. The same scenario played out in New England where Bill Parcells wanted to have a larger say in running the football operation than the owner, Robert Kraft, wanted to give him. It was a philosophical difference in which the owner has the final say on how to structure his organization. Just like BP moving on Parcells moved on. Ralph for a long time has been very predictable. When you make decisions such as hiring an ill-equipped Levy to take over your football operations and dismiss one of the best GMs in the history of the NFL the outcomes are very predictable. With Ralph you don't need a crystal ball. Just keep your eyes open and see what is in plain sight. Again John, Polian was going to get fired eventually because his teams lost 4 SB's AND because he was an !@#$, to go along with overpaying mediocre talent (meaning his clashes with LittMAN were at least partly of his own doing, believe it or don't). Why do you think he left the Panthers after just 3 years (the team went 7-9 his last year, BTW)? Because he realized Kerry Collins, who he drafted 5th overall in 1995, wasn't going to get it done? Because he rubbed Panthers owner Jerry Richardson the wrong way? Is Richardson "a bad owner" because he got rid of Polian? Again, if only the Bills had tanked in 1997 and gotten the chance to draft Manning, things would have been vastly different. As we saw this past off-season, top coaches don't want to coach in Buffalo, and it has nothing to do with the owner. Ralph's bad decisions have involved hiring Marv and then Brandon, but that was 4 years. The TD hire seemed to be a great move at the time, but didn't pan-out. To laughably say "it was a bad move by a bad owner because it didn't work out" is silly. My (perpetual) advice to you, John, is to get over Ralph firing Polian. As well as your irrational hatred of Ralph. Without him, the Bills would have been gone decades ago. If you want to blame anything, blame Buffalo for being Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 If you want to blame anything, blame Buffalo for being Buffalo. Responding to such absurdity is not worth responding to. If the location of Buffalo is such a handicap then how did Polian do such a masterful job when he worked in the western NY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Responding to such absurdity is not worth responding to. If the location of Buffalo is such a handicap then how did Polian do such a masterful job when he worked in the western NY? Polian joined the Bills in August 1984 and was promoted to GM in December of 1985. The Bills drafted Kelly (who initially said he'd never play for Buffalo) in 1983, before Polian was with the club. The team had the first pick in the draft and each round in 1985, and got Bruce, Reich, and Reed, before Polian was GM. They were the 2nd worst team in 1985. Now Polian did a good job of drafting overall, but those were 4 huge pieces for the Bills, before he'd even become GM, and 3 of those guys are HOF'ers/HOF-worthy, while Reich probably could have had a really good career with another club. And it would have been "masterful" had the Bills managed to win a SB. But what Polian was able to do with the late 80's/early 90's Bills, has no bearing on Buffalo being an undesirable place for coaches and players to want to play, because of the climate, economy, market size, etc. And back then, there was no CBA and no UFA so players didn't have much of a choice once drafted by a club. Green Bay was also a place no one wanted to play, for the same reasons. The funny thing about Polian is that when he was hired as GM of the Bills in December of 1985, many thought it was business as usual and an "inside move." Sounds familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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