SageAgainstTheMachine Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 They've essentially become on par with teen boys, you mean. Title IX at the boxoffice.... More like the teen boy is only interested in getting a HJ in the theatre, so they agree to go see Valentine's Day.
taterhill Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 God bless Lloyd Braun. Network TV is back to 99% crap now that LOST has ended. I heard he was selling computers for Frank Costanza....
Kelly the Dog Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 They've essentially become on par with teen boys, you mean. Title IX at the boxoffice.... The reason that movies are generally geared toward teenage boys as opposed to teenage girls is because the girl wants to go to the movie because of the boy, she really doesn't care as much about the movie as the boy she's going with. The boy, scumbag that he is, only wants to see what he wants to see. He won't be caught dead at a chick flick because his friends will mock him. The girl will therefore acquiesce and go see what he wants to see and not what she may want to see. Obviously, when girls go together they will see whatever they want. But if guys weren't such dicks about it, there would be all kinds of different movies made for teens.
Steely Dan Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 More like the teen boy is only interested in getting a HJ in the theatre, so they agree to go see Valentine's Day. Alanis Morissette goes down in a theater. I heard he was selling computers for Frank Costanza.... I thought the same thing.
KD in CA Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 I heard he was selling computers for Frank Costanza.... I thought he was a big advisor for Mayor Dinkins.
taterhill Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 I thought he was a big advisor for Mayor Dinkins. name tags? hhahahahahahahahahaha
UConn James Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 I heard he was selling computers for Frank Costanza.... Didn't mean to hijack the thread... but prior to working as chairman of ABC, Mr. Braun was Seinfeld co-creator/writer Larry David's attorney and that character was named after him. It's detailed in his lostpedia entry.
stuckincincy Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 Actually that's the point. They don't make half as much quality entertainment anymore, don't take half as many chances on non-blockbuster material and talent, don't make half as many movies so moviegoers have more choices, all, basically, because of "Opening Weekend". That, and the gazillion closed shop union rules, their fat benefits that lift the leg on the paying public, and the subsequent costly overhead...
The Dean Posted June 15, 2010 Posted June 15, 2010 That, and the gazillion closed shop union rules, their fat benefits that lift the leg on the paying public, and the subsequent costly overhead... So now unions are responsible for the decline in quality entertainment? I think you've officially gone 'round the bend, Cincy
The Plastic Cup Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 What we need are more awesomely risky and very easily manipulatable investments that are driven by insider knowledge. Then we can put a team of former movie executives on the panel to oversee it to ensure its corruption. Eeeeeeeeexcellent!
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 I haven't bought a movie ticket in probably four years. And I can't believe I'm in that much of a small minority. I'm thoroughly convinced that Hollywood has forgotten how to make good movies. They do have to power to drive what people will like to go see. I don't think you are. Same here! I absolutely refuse to go to a movie... Unless it is one that I think I should see. We just don't go to movies... I can't believe people waste their money on Hollywood BS.
DC Tom Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 What's the big deal? I bought Shrek futures back in May... ...okay, they were June out-of-the-money calls in Dreamworks. Still, I bought them betting Shrek would do well. Same thing, basically.
Lurker Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 What's the big deal? I bought Shrek futures back in May... ...okay, they were June out-of-the-money calls in Dreamworks. Still, I bought them betting Shrek would do well. Same thing, basically. Agreed. Its a hedging tool for entertainment sector institutional investors with positions in Disney, Fox, ect.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Agreed. Its a hedging tool for entertainment sector institutional investors with positions in Disney, Fox, ect. It reeks of insider trading. There are all kinds of things certain people know about how a film is going to open that the public doesn't who work for the companies making or distributing the films. They are not "supposed" to be able to play in the futures market. Yeah, right.
stuckincincy Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 So now unions are responsible for the decline in quality entertainment? I think you've officially gone 'round the bend, Cincy Just another orbit, Dean. Nothing new. I was hoping to tweak Kelly, but he didn't bite.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Just another orbit, Dean. Nothing new. I was hoping to tweak Kelly, but he didn't bite. There are numerous unions independent of each other in the film business. Some of these unions are excellent, and some of them are completely out of control, with outrageous fees and rules, which unnecessarily jack up production costs. But they are really not the true evil or main reason production costs are so high. Not to mention that a sizable number of the folks who work in these unions, the real "production" people, work their ass off for 12 hours a day. And a large number in the more artistic of the unions, like mine (the WGA) or SAG for the actors, make little to no money at all.
Lurker Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 It reeks of insider trading. There are all kinds of things certain people know about how a film is going to open that the public doesn't who work for the companies making or distributing the films. They are not "supposed" to be able to play in the futures market. Yeah, right. No different than the rest of the private sector, though. In fact, the movie biz is a lot more transparent than many industries. It's wasn't that hard to predict that the Love Guru was gonna be a killer at the box office, right?
DC Tom Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 Agreed. Its a hedging tool for entertainment sector institutional investors with positions in Disney, Fox, ect. It's a stupid hedging tool, considering you can already hedge the companies directly. I can't even see how you'd hedge a box office opening. What, if I buy June 2013 Sex and the City III $35m opening weekend futures, am I contracting someone to deliver me a portion of the gross? How does that work?
taterhill Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 It's a stupid hedging tool, considering you can already hedge the companies directly. I can't even see how you'd hedge a box office opening. What, if I buy June 2013 Sex and the City III $35m opening weekend futures, am I contracting someone to deliver me a portion of the gross? How does that work? I was thinking the same thing....Who is clearing the trades? Bodog? Sportsbook?
Kelly the Dog Posted June 16, 2010 Posted June 16, 2010 You have to make a certain amount of money on your own, every couple years, as well as have whoever hires you to write pay the union 13% above what they pay you, to even get health benefits. You don't automatically get them because you are a union member. So those that make no money, and the union never gets you any work anywhere, get no benefits. In fact, they still have to pay (minor) dues.
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