GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 That's well and good. I mean EVER. VHS included. In your life have you EVER copied something off the television? Movie, TV show, Awards show, whatever. Got any Bills games on tape? If you have you have committed a crime. 142753[/snapback] You continue to show an incredible knack for buffoonery. Taping shows off television for your OWN PERSONAL use is F&*&^G LEGAL!!!!!!!!! Do you even read other people's posts before hitting a moronic reply?
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Oh yeah I will add that I buy my DVD's at the store. I will also add that I have copied movies from TV before and have plenty of Bills games on tape thus disqualifying me to pass judgement on the original poster or her child.
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 You continue to show an incredible knack for buffoonery. Taping shows off television for your OWN PERSONAL use is F&*&^G LEGAL!!!!!!!!! Do you even read other people's posts before hitting a moronic reply? 142762[/snapback] OK do you think that if he's using his DVD's for personal use it's ok then?
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 swing and a miss - strike 18. Missed the point again. If you broke into DC Toms house, and he shot you dead on the spot, some juries might say he over-reacted. But again, he doesn't know that you don't have a gun, that you won't harm his family, etc, etc, so i for one say that if Im on a jury where a man shoots an intruder, I could stare at some boobs in the courtroom the whole time, because my vote will be not guilty. Artest, on the other hand, knew what happened. Guy has cup, throws it. The WORST that happens is something else gets thrown and guy gets harshly escorted out. He made the situation MUCH worse. The fan didn't break into him home. It was a public setting. Stop ignoring that. 142757[/snapback] Actually, you kind of missed my point, too. My point was that, whereas I'd just hospitalize him, his "everyone reacts differently" justification means that he should see NO difference between me hospitalizing him or killing him. Reducto ad absurdum. Which we may as well simply rename Reducto ad BF at this point...
stevestojan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK do you think that if he's using his DVD's for personal use it's ok then? 142764[/snapback] Oh my god... i need a drink... the DVD's aren't being piped into his house you f-cking doormat.
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 You continue to show an incredible knack for buffoonery. Taping shows off television for your OWN PERSONAL use is F&*&^G LEGAL!!!!!!!!! 142762[/snapback] BUT IT'S STILL WRONG BECAUSE ARTEST WAS HIT BY A !@#$ING CUP!!!!
Dan Gross Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK do you think that if he's using his DVD's for personal use it's ok then? 142764[/snapback] As long as he acquires the DVD's through legal means. If it's a broadcast where someone has paid to broadcast it (anything you see on TV), or otherwise obtained the rights to broadcast (some independents will give away the rights to gain exposure to their work), or if it's something in the public domain, then yes. But an illegal internet broadcast? No.
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK do you think that if he's using his DVD's for personal use it's ok then? 142764[/snapback] If they were his DVDs, we would have a debate on whether the laws are right on you being able to copy for personal use, a copy-protected DVD that you had bought. But if you had the ability to comprehend the letters that form sentences, you would notice the following: ... My son downloads tons of movies from KaZaa and has a dvd burner/player on his computer ...
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Making a copy of a broadcast for later viewing is "fair use." That's what pretty much resulted from the "Betamax" case. Once you start making copies and distributing (or broadcasting), that's when you start breaking the law. Try to understand the law before you spout it... 142760[/snapback] OK than why are this mother and her child taking so much grief for his personal use of DVD's that he obtained over the internet? If HBO shows Spider Man and I tape it it's not any different than me burning it off the internet. I'm not distributing it, it's fair game.
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 As long as he acquires the DVD's through legal means. If it's a broadcast where someone has paid to broadcast it (anything you see on TV), or otherwise obtained the rights to broadcast (some independents will give away the rights to gain exposure to their work), or if it's something in the public domain, then yes. But an illegal internet broadcast? No. 142771[/snapback] They aren't giving up the rights to Spider Man by showing it on HBO. Using my VCR or DVD recorder to obtain Spider Man off of HBO is hardly legal.
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK than why are this mother and her child taking so much grief for his personal use of DVD's that he obtained over the internet? If HBO shows Spider Man and I tape it it's not any different than me burning it off the internet. I'm not distributing it, it's fair game. 142780[/snapback] Uhhhh... ... My son downloads tons of movies from KaZaa and has a dvd burner/player on his computer ... Maybe because the movies are illegally distributed to begin with????? Or are you arguing that it's not illegal beacuse he only received them, not distributed them?
VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 They aren't giving up the rights to Spider Man by showing it on HBO. Using my VCR or DVD recorder to obtain Spider Man off of HBO is hardly legal. 142782[/snapback] Actually it is legal, for your use only later on. It is illegal to redistribute them however. And it is illegal to accept those redistributions.
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 They aren't giving up the rights to Spider Man by showing it on HBO. Using my VCR or DVD recorder to obtain Spider Man off of HBO is hardly legal. 142782[/snapback] Actually, it's completely legal.... You've got to be playing an act. Nobody is this clueless... Nobody. CW
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 They aren't giving up the rights to Spider Man by showing it on HBO. Using my VCR or DVD recorder to obtain Spider Man off of HBO is hardly legal. 142782[/snapback] Holy sh--. The only thing dumber than you would be two of you.
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 They aren't giving up the rights to Spider Man by showing it on HBO. Using my VCR or DVD recorder to obtain Spider Man off of HBO is hardly legal. 142782[/snapback] No, you moron, it is legal for you to videotape or electronically copy stuff that's shown on HBO. You just can't give that tape away. This is not that complicated.
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Uhhhh...Maybe because the movies are illegally distributed to begin with????? Or are you arguing that it's not illegal beacuse he only received them, not distributed them? 142784[/snapback] OK so he's committing two crimes. He's downloading movies from an illegal source. It's much better when you get them from HBO, at least he's getting it from a legal source huh?
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 No, you moron, it is legal for you to videotape or electronically copy stuff that's shown on HBO. You just can't give that tape away. This is not that complicated. 142790[/snapback] What the !@#$ does it matter? He's still got the movie and he didn't pay for it. How is one method ANY different than another?
_BiB_ Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I thought the original argument had to do with ethics and the parental condoning of illegal behaviors?
VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK so he's committing two crimes. He's downloading movies from an illegal source. It's much better when you get them from HBO, at least he's getting it from a legal source huh? 142792[/snapback] Yes, if he wants to make a copy for his personal use, off from HBO he can. If he wants to make a copy from HBO and share it on kazaa or whatever it's called it is illegal. If he wants to buy it and share it on kazaa, that is illegal distribution. If he downloads it from kazaa he is in receipt of stolen goods, as well as copyright laws.
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 What the !@#$ does it matter? He's still got the movie and he didn't pay for it. How is one method ANY different than another? 142793[/snapback] It's different because you're paying money to HBO for the right to watch the show. Unless you want to start questioning the legality of "black boxes" CW
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