VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Actually, price fixing is illegal... The RIAA lost a class action lawsuit (actually, they probably settled) based on that very thing (price-fixing CDs). There's been some lawsuits against farmers for price fixing milk as well. Besides, I wasn't condoning the activity, just stating why it occurred and that in the case of music, it was actually a good thing as it caused the RIAA to innovate new solutions. CW 142838[/snapback] So I can go to the local dairy farm and take milk from the cows because the farmer is doing something illegal?
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 You blithering fool. You have a perfectly legal right to record programming from your television for your OWN PERSONAL USE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 142839[/snapback] Well then I should have the right to download things from my computer for my own personal use. Kazaa isn't illegal last time I checked. That's the argument you are making. It doesn't hold water. It's ok to get a movie from your TV for your own use, but not your computer.
taterhill Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 While that's not a fair comparison I would say that HBO while having legally obtained the rights is hardly granting anyone permission to videotape their feed for later use. 142818[/snapback] I could not be this stupid if I tried
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 So I can go to the local dairy farm and take milk from the cows because the farmer is doing something illegal? 142841[/snapback] Sure, if you don't mind being shot at by the farmer. CW
KD in CA Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Actually, price fixing is illegal... The RIAA lost a class action lawsuit (actually, they probably settled) based on that very thing (price-fixing CDs). There's been some lawsuits against farmers for price fixing milk as well. Besides, I wasn't condoning the activity, just stating why it occurred and that in the case of music, it was actually a good thing as it caused the RIAA to innovate new solutions. CW 142838[/snapback] No question on price fixing. If they are guilty, punish them. But the popular argument of "It's ok to steal it because they are charging too much" is crap. If I lived by that rule, I'd be stealing that BMW instead of agonizing over shelling out $40k for it.
TracyLee Posted December 2, 2004 Author Posted December 2, 2004 Holy cow!! Doesn't anybody work during the day? I leave for a little while and the crap hits the fan! Anyway, thanks to those who offered suggestions, we'll figure it out. As for those of you who attacked my parenting, I sleep very well at night, thank you. My son isn't stealing anything, he's downloading 'shared files', I guess it all depends on how you interpret it. The comparisons some of you have drawn between downloading to going to someone's house and physically stealing something to assualt, are downright comical. The movie industries aren't going to bother him, it's the people who actually set up sites like WinMX and KaZaa and that make these movies available, that the industries are after. My son doesn't make these movies available for others, it's for his own personal use. And when I said tons, I meant less than 100, not thousands. And I do buy dvd's, all the time. In fact, I just bought Spiderman 2. Some of you guys are so uptight! Don't sweat the small stuff, because my 15 year-old downloading a movie is really inconsequential in the grand scope of things. For those of you that are holier-than-thou and stifle your kids with do and don't's, and preach perfection, I feel sorry for you 'cause your kids are definately not going to confide in you when it counts, and are more than likely going to rebel and disappoint you.
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Actually, price fixing is illegal... The RIAA lost a class action lawsuit (actually, they probably settled) based on that very thing (price-fixing CDs). There's been some lawsuits against farmers for price fixing milk as well. Besides, I wasn't condoning the activity, just stating why it occurred and that in the case of music, it was actually a good thing as it caused the RIAA to innovate new solutions. CW 142838[/snapback] The price fixing was more of an issue between the big retailers & small. IIRC, the big retailers wanted lower prices, but the record companies tried to keep the price high to keep the smaller guys happy. In the end, any price intervention hurts consumers. I think we're finally finding an equilibrium point for music prices - $1/new song seems to be a price consumers are willing to accept for legit works.
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 The result is still the same, the film companies lose money because now that I just taped Spiderman off the TV I'm not going to go buy the DVD. 142823[/snapback] No, the result is a legal copy of a legal movie, as opposed to an illegal copy of an illegal one. Hell the economics aren't even the same...HBO pays for the rights to broadcast the movie, so the studio gets their cut. Not as big a cut as they do from the DVDs...but why do you think the DVDs get released months before you see movies on HBO? HBO pays for the right to broadcast that movie, you pay for the right to receive that broadcast for your personal use. All legal...until you attempt to distribute that broadcast in any way, in which case it is no longer "personal use" and becomes theft of a copyrighted material. Ditto a DVD: you buy one, and the studio is licensing you directly to use their product for any personal use. Once you start to distribute it, it ceases to be for personal use and becomes theft of copyrighted material.
VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 And from the KAZAA website on their enduser agreement: http://www.kazaa.com/us/terms2.htm 2.6 Transmit, access or communicate any data that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights of any party;
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Some of you guys are so uptight! Don't sweat the small stuff, because my 15 year-old downloading a movie is really inconsequential in the grand scope of things. 142848[/snapback] Don't tell us, tell Sony.
Dan Gross Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 The result is still the same, the film companies lose money because now that I just taped Spiderman off the TV I'm not going to go buy the DVD. 142823[/snapback] No, the film companies did not lose money because a.) they already received it from HBO for broadcasting, b.) you weren't going to buy the DVD anyway....if you had, you likely would have before it was broadcast on HBO. There's a reason for the timing of broadcasts....maybe you haven't noticed, but it pretty much generally (with some exception) goes: 1.) Theatrical Release 2.) Video Release 3.) PPV Release 4.) Premium Cable Channel Broadcast 5.) Sponsored-channel (including not only the OTA networks, but cable channels that subsidize their purchase of said movies through commercials) broadcast. The timing of the shift from one to the next is based on their knowledge of how long they can wring the most money from the previous step in the process. The video release comes only after most people who will go see the movie have seen the movie. Broadcasts happen only after most people who will buy the video have bought the video. Etc.... Ugh....
Rico Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 BTW TracyLee, check this website out. VCD Quality No need to waste any time downloading crap, stick to the good release outfits like VideoCD & Centropy.
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Well then I should have the right to download things from my computer for my own personal use. Kazaa isn't illegal last time I checked. That's the argument you are making. It doesn't hold water. It's ok to get a movie from your TV for your own use, but not your computer. 142843[/snapback] Do you comprehend what you read? Or do you just ignore DC Tom's posts because he gets under your skin? To recap a basic premise Watching TV is legal because whoever put the show on the air paid a license fee or owns that program to air it. Taping TV shows is legal, because under Fair Use LAW you can tape legal works for your own use. Watching or listening to TV or music on Internet is legal as long as the person brodcasting the content has the rights to that broadcast. You can tape that Internet stream for your own use. Kazaa software is legal to own. But to listen, download or distribute content that you do not own via KaZaa is very much ILLEGAL. Tomorrow, we'll explain gravity.
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Holy cow!! Doesn't anybody work during the day? I leave for a little while and the crap hits the fan! Anyway, thanks to those who offered suggestions, we'll figure it out. As for those of you who attacked my parenting, I sleep very well at night, thank you. My son isn't stealing anything, he's downloading 'shared files', I guess it all depends on how you interpret it. The comparisons some of you have drawn between downloading to going to someone's house and physically stealing something to assualt, are downright comical. 142848[/snapback] No problem. Is your husband available on weekends to do some union skill work? His time is free, right?
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Do you comprehend what you read? Or do you just ignore DC Tom's posts because he gets under your skin? To recap a basic premise Watching TV is legal because whoever put the show on the air paid a license fee or owns that program to air it. Taping TV shows is legal, because under Fair Use LAW you can tape legal works for your own use. Watching or listening to TV or music on Internet is legal as long as the person brodcasting the content has the rights to that broadcast. You can tape that Internet stream for your own use. Kazaa software is legal to own. But to listen, download or distribute content that you do not own via KaZaa is very much ILLEGAL. Tomorrow, we'll explain gravity. 142865[/snapback] But you're wrong, because someone threw a cup at Artest!
erynthered Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tomorrow, we'll explain gravity. 142865[/snapback] Yeah but, the plastic cup still would have hit Artest in the head.............
_BiB_ Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Great. Before this is over with, I'm going to get bit by a dog. Again!
TracyLee Posted December 2, 2004 Author Posted December 2, 2004 Don't tell us, tell Sony. 142857[/snapback] I'm sure Sony realizes that the problem isn't a 15 year-old kid.
TracyLee Posted December 2, 2004 Author Posted December 2, 2004 No problem. Is your husband available on weekends to do some union skill work? His time is free, right? 142871[/snapback] Nope, he's very expensive. But, what does he have to do with this?
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I seen this thread... 11 pages? Let me guess, there is great moral significance in on the preceeding pages? Another guess... BF is involved?
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