VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 What the !@#$ does it matter? He's still got the movie and he didn't pay for it. How is one method ANY different than another? 142793[/snapback] It's the law. You may not like it but it is the law. If it bothers you so much go change it.
stevestojan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 BF has said on several occasions that he is good at Texas Hold Em, and that he wins 60% of the time he plays a tournament. He actaully blogged (yes, I read it - let's discuss that fact later) that he won a 60 person tournament. Texas Hold Em is a game I play religiously. I play with friends, I play with a group at a local pub, and I play once every two weeks at a horse track down here (100 person tournament). I would say in the games where I play with 5-8 people, I will win 25% of the time if I am doing good. The 100 person tourney? I've made the final table ONCE. Anyway, Texas Hold Em requires logic skills, being able to read people, and some rather complex odds reading ability. That's all I'm gonna say.
stevestojan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I thought the original argument had to do with ethics and the parental condoning of illegal behaviors? 142794[/snapback] No, apparently some guy threw a cup at Ron Artest. Details at 11:00.
_BiB_ Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 What the !@#$ does it matter? He's still got the movie and he didn't pay for it. How is one method ANY different than another? 142793[/snapback] Since I sometimes tape of HBO, I'll field this one. HBO movies recorded to tape are often of lesser quality, and cut to fit time slots. That's why people buy DVD's, to get the quality and full product. HBO movies often come out way past the point where the average instant gratification American would wait for it. We have to have it right now, if it's new. how many of these movies get downloaded within a week of their release date?
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 It's different because you're paying money to HBO for the right to watch the show. Unless you want to start questioning the legality of "black boxes" CW 142798[/snapback] OK you are correct there. What about network television however? You aren't paying for that.
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK you are correct there. What about network television however? You aren't paying for that. 142805[/snapback] Commercials And before you start talking about fast forwarding through commercials, it has been brought up to lawmakers that fastforwarding be made illegal. Doubt that will happen, but it's been brought up. Please tell me you're just having fun trying to rile people up... Please? CW
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Since I sometimes tape of HBO, I'll field this one. HBO movies recorded to tape are often of lesser quality, and cut to fit time slots. That's why people buy DVD's, to get the quality and full product. HBO movies often come out way past the point where the average instant gratification American would wait for it. We have to have it right now, if it's new. how many of these movies get downloaded within a week of their release date? 142804[/snapback] I've never noticed HBO cutting movies down to fit time slots. At the time that DVD's were not available VHS piracy was just as bad. Kazaa, television, it's still a crime. A petty crime.
Dan Gross Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 It's different because you're paying money to HBO for the right to watch the show. Unless you want to start questioning the legality of "black boxes" CW 142798[/snapback] Not only that, but, more importantly, HBO has acquired the right to broadcast said show. Let's put it another way, BF. You are saying that, if someone gives you a car, you have a legal right to own the car, regardless of whether that person had obtained the car legally or stole the car. Correct?
DC Tom Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 OK so he's committing two crimes. He's downloading movies from an illegal source. It's much better when you get them from HBO, at least he's getting it from a legal source huh? 142792[/snapback] No, you cretin. He's downloading illegal movies. HBO broadcast = legal. Internet download of a legal copy = legal. Internet download of an illegal copy = illegal. The legality attaches to the work itself, not the action.
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Not only that, but, more importantly, HBO has acquired the right to broadcast said show. Let's put it another way, BF. You are saying that, if someone gives you a car, you have a legal right to own the car, regardless of whether that person had obtained the car legally or stole the car. Correct? 142810[/snapback] While that's not a fair comparison I would say that HBO while having legally obtained the rights is hardly granting anyone permission to videotape their feed for later use.
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 You are saying that, if someone gives you a car, you have a legal right to own the car, regardless of whether that person had obtained the car legally or stole the car. Correct? Let me put a spin on this one. What happens if a cashier accidentally gives you $100 back in change instead of $10? Ethically, you should give the money back. But legally? CW
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 No, you cretin. He's downloading illegal movies. HBO broadcast = legal. Internet download of a legal copy = legal. Internet download of an illegal copy = illegal. The legality attaches to the work itself, not the action. 142814[/snapback] The result is still the same, the film companies lose money because now that I just taped Spiderman off the TV I'm not going to go buy the DVD.
_BiB_ Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I've never noticed HBO cutting movies down to fit time slots. At the time that DVD's were not available VHS piracy was just as bad. Kazaa, television, it's still a crime. A petty crime. 142809[/snapback] I taped the Abyss from HBO. There's a good 20 minutes of movie missing that's on the commercial release. Just one example.
KD in CA Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I think the RIAA has been ripping people off for decades, so have less of an issue (personally) with people downloading music. $15-$20 for a CD? Give me a break. The downloading of music forced the RIAA to re-examine its business practices and now they offer legal digital downloading. CD prices seem to have fallen as well (although the class action lawsuit may have had something to do with that as well). Sorry Fez, but that logic is bullstevestojan. In a free market society, the price is determined by the consumers. If people don't think the CD is worth $20, DON'T !@#$ING BUY IT. If they want the music desperately enough to steal it, than maybe that really is a legitimate price. The fact that any mother would actively solicit assistance for her child to steal copywrited works is mind boggling.
BF_in_Indiana Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 I taped the Abyss from HBO. There's a good 20 minutes of movie missing that's on the commercial release. Just one example. 142824[/snapback] They may do that sometimes but I've never noticed it when watching a movie. I'm not saying you are lying, just that I haven't noticed it.
Rico Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Since I sometimes tape of HBO, I'll field this one. HBO movies recorded to tape are often of lesser quality, 142804[/snapback] Unless you're recording the HBO HD signal on D-VHS, in which case the quality is better than DVD.
VABills Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Try this: http://talkshows.about.com/library/weekly/aa011603a.htm
Fezmid Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Sorry Fez, but that logic is bullstevestojan. In a free market society, the price is determined by the consumers. If people don't think the CD is worth $20, DON'T !@#$ING BUY IT. If they want the music desperately enough to steal it, than maybe that really is a legitimate price. The fact that any mother would actively solicit assistance for her child to steal copywrited works is mind boggling. 142827[/snapback] Actually, price fixing is illegal... The RIAA lost a class action lawsuit (actually, they probably settled) based on that very thing (price-fixing CDs). There's been some lawsuits against farmers for price fixing milk as well. Besides, I wasn't condoning the activity, just stating why it occurred and that in the case of music, it was actually a good thing as it caused the RIAA to innovate new solutions. CW
GG Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 While that's not a fair comparison I would say that HBO while having legally obtained the rights is hardly granting anyone permission to videotape their feed for later use. 142818[/snapback] You blithering fool. You have a perfectly legal right to record programming from your television for your OWN PERSONAL USE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Gross Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 While that's not a fair comparison I would say that HBO while having legally obtained the rights is hardly granting anyone permission to videotape their feed for later use. 142818[/snapback] Please spend a couple of days reading this: http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/B/htmlB/...betamaxcase.htm It's a lot of words, but I think you can get through it. It discusses the Betamax case, and how videotaping programs for later viewing is "fair use." If it wasn't there wouldn't be a record button on your VCR, and there wouldn't be inventions that make it easier for you to record shows off your TV.
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