Tapes of big ben

[TJ753]

I bet Marshawn was the only Bill that plays his music loud. Riiiiiiight. He might however have been the only one to get pulled over for it. Athletes, celebrities, politicians people in positions of power have been getting preferential treatment for YEARS. I'm so glad our law enforcement officers are making sure Lynch's music is not too loud while drunks and idiots are getting in fights and running people over with their vehicles a few yards away. Way to keep the peace and show that Marshawn he is not welcome.

 

Way to focus on what's important! And you wonder why the guy wants out of the city. I can agree with you 100% about getting punks out of the league but lets get them ALL out. Not just the ones that coincidentally have dread locks and gold teeth and don't listen to the same music as you. Let's get all of the clean cut suburban punks who are just smarter about hiding all of the bad things they do and even hire cops to be the muscle for their illegal and morally depraved escapades.

 

Cops don't like Lynch so every minor detail of anything bad he has done is not allowed to slide and is put in the news papers. Big Ben hires cops as muscle and is allowed to operate above the law for years because cops think he's cool. I don't mean to make this a rant about cops but when the law is exercised on the street it is an unfair abuse of power. Your buddy or relative gets a speeding ticket. You go talk to your fellow officer and somehow the ticket disappears. Pull over a guy for speeding who has dreads, is wearing a hoody and playing hip hop and not only does he get a ticket but you search the back seat and the trunk. Pull over a guy that looks like your golfing buddy and they get a warning. Cops have been known to FIGURATIVELY be judge, juror and executioner on the street. You let someone go because you identify with them and they are just a young guy that got into a little bind. You don't identify with them and they are a "thug". How about treat them all equally and let the actual court system and a judge make the determination of innocence or guilt.

 

Ya. The loud music would have annoyed me too but pulling the guy over for it and it's somehow national news now???? COME ON!!! Seriously?

[Thoner7]

is it really the last thing that comes to mind? I added 3-4 words to each statement and they don't read any different to me- do they mean something else to you now? This is not ok means no pretty explicitly. Whatever the reason it's not ok really doesn't matter.

 

Regardless, where in any of your original ones does she say "it is ok"

 

The police statement I read after the report was released quoted the "victim" saying something along the lines of "Ben and I went into the back room, I said 'this is not ok' he said, 'it will be alright' then we had sex" (i searched the archives but couldnt find it... i got the link from a thread on this site)

 

 

She doesnt say "then I told him it was ok to have sex with me" but be realistic and think about it. Havent you ever tried to bring a girl home? If she said no, didnt you try to convice her? If she changes her mind and goes home with you, did you just rape her because her first reaction was no?

 

I can see this girl going "I dont know about this" Ben- "Please please please please please!!!" Girl - "Ok lets do it"

 

If she ended her statement to police with "then he raped me" I would view this differently. But she ended it "then we had sex"

 

Maybe its just me but, we had sex = consensual. he raped me = Not consensual.

[Thoner7]

I found the links I was looking for.

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...lisberger5.html

 

These a scanned copies of the original police reports. And because I know most of you wont click the links to read them...

 

"I was approached by the complaintant in front of Buffingtons. She advised me that while in capitol city, she was sexually assaulted or Sexually manipulated by the suspect around 1:30 hours. She stated that one of the suspects podyguards escorted her to a back room/Hallway area where the suspect was. Once there she stated the suspect asked her for sex. At this time it is unclear to what happend after this point due to the complainants recollection being foggy from her intoxication level. However she did write a statement of what she thought happened."

 

I bolded the important part. The written statements he is talking about can be viewed here.

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...r1.html#theLink

 

You will have to click ahead to page two, but in the report written by the "victim" she writes, "he had sex with me" after her statements of "this is not ok". Maybe the foggy part was her agreeing to boneing him? Who knows, but to take any of this as fact would be a mistake because she was too drunk to even remember what exactly happened! Who knows what happended, but I dont think he raped her.

[Pondslider]

So it's ok to do whatever you want as long as the girl is really drunk and can't remember if she really said no or only just sort of said no. Got it.

[bbb]

Not sure if this was posted, but here are the pictures from that night.........Not quite sure those pictures are around picture 15-16:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...101bigben1.html

[NoSaint]

Not sure if this was posted, but here are the pictures from that night.........Not quite sure those pictures are around picture 15-16:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...101bigben1.html

 

 

man -- not to pile on or get too far off topic, but its remarkable that hes a professional athlete looking at some of those pics...

[Rob's House]

So it's ok to do whatever you want as long as the girl is really drunk and can't remember if she really said no or only just sort of said no. Got it.

 

It sounds like Thoner7 can relate to Big Ben on this one.

[Mr. WEO]

I was talking about the tape that was reported to have been taped-over.

We all know about that one tape, doc.

 

But what you said was:

 

 

 

What tape, much less tapes, of Big Ben? They all mysteriously disappeared.

 

By "tapes" and "all", you meant just the one tape, right? Just trying to get your unique way of expressing your thoughts down.

[bills in va]

I have no idea when or how many times people have been run over but I do KNOW every single Bills game I have been to you don't have to look to far to find EXTREMELY loud music, a fight or drunken idiots who really are in need of policing more so than a player and employee leaving the stadium. I unfortunately don't see cops telling the heavy metal beer bonging guy next to me in the lot to take it down a notch. I even like metal but come on. Guess they are too busy telling players to keep a lid on it or alleging that a multimillionaire stole $20 from their wife.

 

And yes, without question anyone should be responsible for their own actions regardless of how those actions come to light. The problem is that it causes animosity between those who get preferential treatment and those who don't. We are all equal in the eyes of the law right? WRONG, because the eyes of the law belong to people of different colors and cultures!

 

Follow the logic here and do the math:

 

1) A majority of most peoples friends and family are of the same race as they are. (Check)

2) People show preferential treatment to friends, family and people like themselves. (Check)

3) Cops are people (Check)

4) Many cops are white. (Check)

 

PLEASE I don't think all or many cops are racist but they are all human. I don't think this phenomena is racist but in many instances the end result can be the same.

You my friend fit the definition for RACIST

[bills in va]

I found the links I was looking for.

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...lisberger5.html

 

These a scanned copies of the original police reports. And because I know most of you wont click the links to read them...

 

"I was approached by the complaintant in front of Buffingtons. She advised me that while in capitol city, she was sexually assaulted or Sexually manipulated by the suspect around 1:30 hours. She stated that one of the suspects podyguards escorted her to a back room/Hallway area where the suspect was. Once there she stated the suspect asked her for sex. At this time it is unclear to what happend after this point due to the complainants recollection being foggy from her intoxication level. However she did write a statement of what she thought happened."

 

I bolded the important part. The written statements he is talking about can be viewed here.

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years...r1.html#theLink

 

You will have to click ahead to page two, but in the report written by the "victim" she writes, "he had sex with me" after her statements of "this is not ok". Maybe the foggy part was her agreeing to boneing him? Who knows, but to take any of this as fact would be a mistake because she was too drunk to even remember what exactly happened! Who knows what happended, but I dont think he raped her.

You proved a point that she was too drunk to give consent. I hope you're drunk one night and Big Ben wants your butt in the bathroom, his bodyguards don't let you leave and we'll say it was your fault. That girl was somebody's daughter. Ben R should be ashamed, so should his family, the NFL and the Steelers. If you think what he did was OK I have pity on you and your family.