Brand J Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 At what point does Schobel become too far behind to contribute? He'll already have to transition to an entirely different position, in an entirely different defense. Right now, he's missing all of the installation, as well as the added experience of playing OLB in a 3-4 defense. At what point does it become, "thanks Aaron, but we have to go with the guys who have been here learning this entire summer." In my opinion, if he doesn't show for day 1 of mandatory training camp, you can pretty much write him off... 3-4 defenses usually keep around 8 LBs and 6 DL. At this moment, the LB position is overly crowded. Which 8 will make the opening day roster? I've highlighted the players I'd like to see survive the Turk, but either way, some talented players will be handed pink slips.. Aaron Schobel Chris Kelsay Paul Posluszny Kawika Mitchell Andra Davis Aaron Maybin Chris Ellis Nic Harris Reggie Torbor Arthur Moats Danny Batten Antonio Coleman Keith Ellison Marcus Buggs Ryan Manalac Mike Wright Jon Corto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 He's gone I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I think he's gonna retire. Signing Torbor is a sign that the Bills adding depth to the linebacking corps and are getting ready to move on. IMO, Schobel would benefit as an OLB with having a straight shot at the QB and with being good against the run, but he's way behind the learning curve. Nobody knows how Schobel will do in coverage. I'd wish he'd stop the Brett Favre antics (with pondering retirement) and the Bruce Smith antics (not showing up to OTA's, mini-camps...etc) and get his butt to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typical TBD Guy Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 3-4 defenses usually keep around 8 LBs and 6 DL. Actually, I think 3-4 defenses usually keep 7 DL and 9 LB (4 DE, 3 NT, 4 ILB, 5 OLB). The DL is set (Stroud, Edwards, Johnson, Carrington, Williams, Troup, Harvey). The 4 ILB's will probably be Posluszny, Mitchell, Davis, and Moats. The Schobel situation makes predicting the OLB's more difficult. The 1st spot goes to either Schobel or Kelsay. Maybin is a definite, Torbor and Batten are probable, and the 5th spot should be a toss-up between Ellis, Harris, and Coleman. I wouldn't expect to hear anything from Schobel until the start of mandatory training camp. The dude is obviously using all the time he can to decide on his future pro career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 It was too late when Jauron was hired for Schobel. He's done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Actually, I think 3-4 defenses usually keep 7 DL and 9 LB (4 DE, 3 NT, 4 ILB, 5 OLB). The DL is set (Stroud, Edwards, Johnson, Carrington, Williams, Troup, Harvey). The 4 ILB's will probably be Posluszny, Mitchell, Davis, and Moats. The Schobel situation makes predicting the OLB's more difficult. The 1st spot goes to either Schobel or Kelsay. Maybin is a definite, Torbor and Batten are probable, and the 5th spot should be a toss-up between Ellis, Harris, and Coleman. I wouldn't expect to hear anything from Schobel until the start of mandatory training camp. The dude is obviously using all the time he can to decide on his future pro career. Wasn't torber an ilb in Miami???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glass To The Arson Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Wasn't torber an ilb in Miami???? He can play both outside and inside I think he played inside in miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 How many good players retire before they actually have to, or their skills are seriously and noticeably eroding? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Robert Smith? Tiki Barber? Maybe Elway but he was 38 and had just won two Super Bowls (not sure that counts). There ain't that many in any sport. These guys think they want to retire but when the season gets close they realize they can't give it up, and it ain't the money. Schobel will be back, even if he is a different breed of cat. And no, I didn't just compare Aaron Schobel to Jim Brown or Barry Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 How many good players retire before they actually have to, or their skills are seriously and noticeably eroding? Jim Brown? Barry Sanders? Robert Smith? Tiki Barber? Maybe Elway but he was 38 and had just won two Super Bowls (not sure that counts). There ain't that many in any sport. These guys think they want to retire but when the season gets close they realize they can't give it up, and it ain't the money. Schobel will be back, even if he is a different breed of cat. And no, I didn't just compare Aaron Schobel to Jim Brown or Barry Sanders. I don't know, it appeared to me that you did just make the comparison between Schobel and Jim Brown.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 He can play both outside and inside I think he played inside in miami I'm pretty sure he's never played outside in a 3-4, only 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I don't know, it appeared to me that you did just make the comparison between Schobel and Jim Brown.... That's because you can't read. I compared him to "good" players as opposed to mediocre or crappy players. Lots of mediocre or crappy players retire before they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 If Schobel was going to retire he would have done so by now. He'll be at training camp on day 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 At what point does Schobel become too far behind to contribute? He'll already have to transition to an entirely different position, in an entirely different defense. Right now, he's missing all of the installation, as well as the added experience of playing OLB in a 3-4 defense. At what point does it become, "thanks Aaron, but we have to go with the guys who have been here learning this entire summer." In my opinion, if he doesn't show for day 1 of mandatory training camp, you can pretty much write him off... 3-4 defenses usually keep around 8 LBs and 6 DL. At this moment, the LB position is overly crowded. Which 8 will make the opening day roster? I've highlighted the players I'd like to see survive the Turk, but either way, some talented players will be handed pink slips.. Aaron Schobel Chris Kelsay Paul Posluszny Kawika Mitchell Andra Davis Aaron Maybin Chris Ellis Nic Harris Reggie Torbor Arthur Moats Danny Batten Antonio Coleman Keith Ellison Marcus Buggs Ryan Manalac Mike Wright Jon Corto Two points: 1) I believe a lot of it is going to depend on how physically fit he's keeping himself. He's 32, right? 33? Not too many people just step right into the groove at that age. Anyone who has watched him over the past nine (?) seasons has to feel for the guy. Nine painful years with this franchise. One winning season. He ought to get a break of some sort. But last I checked, Gailey wasn't here when Schobel was drafted, and as such doesn't have any ties or commitment to this guy. If Schobel comes into camp slow and out of shape, he's just another player that hasn't proved himself in camp. I don't think there are going to be any "gimme" spots on this roster. New coach, new job. 2) I hope Nic Harris makes the team. I don't know why. I guess it was the highlight film I watched when he was drafted. That kid is a headhunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 At what point does Schobel become too far behind to contribute? He'll already have to transition to an entirely different position, in an entirely different defense. Right now, he's missing all of the installation, as well as the added experience of playing OLB in a 3-4 defense. At what point does it become, "thanks Aaron, but we have to go with the guys who have been here learning this entire summer." In my opinion, if he doesn't show for day 1 of mandatory training camp, you can pretty much write him off... 3-4 defenses usually keep around 8 LBs and 6 DL. At this moment, the LB position is overly crowded. Which 8 will make the opening day roster? I've highlighted the players I'd like to see survive the Turk, but either way, some talented players will be handed pink slips.. Aaron Schobel Chris Kelsay Paul Posluszny Kawika Mitchell Andra Davis Aaron Maybin Chris Ellis Nic Harris Reggie Torbor Arthur Moats Danny Batten Antonio Coleman Keith Ellison Marcus Buggs Ryan Manalac Mike Wright Jon Corto IMO, Corto, Wright, Mitchell, and Ellison are gone, and Schobel will retire. When the team signs Torbor (Monday) they will be at their max roster limit, and when they start signing their draft pics they will have to dump people on the roster. I believe the magic number is 8, according to Chris Brown. http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/06/06/r...ll-be-at-limit/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 I also believe that Schobel wants a release and not retire so that he can go to another team with a chance to win. To me, 33 is still young. I just don't believe that he wants to call it quits yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 who woulda thunk that we would have too many LBs. Sure, most of them are either mediocre, projects, rookies, and questionmarks. But at least we got a lot of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChanOverChin Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 We've definitely got some very good players at LB this year. I'd like to see Schobel play this year just to see how he would perform as an outside pass rushing LB. The Bills will be better with Schobel than without him. Either way, I expect the Bills to take NINE LBs because LB becomes the key position in the 3-4; it also strengthens the ST. With Schobel, LB corps looks like this: OLB: Schobel Kelsay Maybin Torbor (can play OLB and ILB and ST) Moats (better suited for OLB than Batten) ILB: Mitchell Posluzsny Davis Torbor (can play OLB and ILB and ST) Batten (better suited for ILB) That's a very strong group of LBs people. Extras: Ellis Harris Coleman Corto. Without Schobel, LB corps looks like this: OLB: Mitchell Maybin Kelsay Torbor (can play OLB and ILB and ST) Moats (better suited for OLB than Batten) Harris ILB: Posluzsny Davis Torbor (can play OLB and ILB and ST) Batten (better suited for ILB) That's still a pretty strong group of LBs people. Extras: Ellis Coleman Corto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Two points: 1) I believe a lot of it is going to depend on how physically fit he's keeping himself. He's 32, right? 33? Not too many people just step right into the groove at that age. Anyone who has watched him over the past nine (?) seasons has to feel for the guy. Nine painful years with this franchise. One winning season. He ought to get a break of some sort. But last I checked, Gailey wasn't here when Schobel was drafted, and as such doesn't have any ties or commitment to this guy. If Schobel comes into camp slow and out of shape, he's just another player that hasn't proved himself in camp. I don't think there are going to be any "gimme" spots on this roster. New coach, new job. 2) I hope Nic Harris makes the team. I don't know why. I guess it was the highlight film I watched when he was drafted. That kid is a headhunter. The last thing you have to worry about is Aaron Schobel not being physically fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 We've definitely got some very good players at LB this year. I'd like to see Schobel play this year just to see how he would perform as an outside pass rushing LB. The Bills will be better with Schobel than without him. New system or not, if Schobel comes back he's the best pass rusher on the team, and the biggest concern of any opposing QB. One need only look at the Bills D with and without him over the last few seasons to see his impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I also believe that Schobel wants a release and not retire so that he can go to another team with a chance to win. To me, 33 is still young. I just don't believe that he wants to call it quits yet. He already said flat out that he does not wish to be traded, and that if he plays it will be with the Bills. I have no idea what he said that, or why he would say that but he did. He's a strange bird. He probably could retire unlike other guys who simply can't. I just don't think he will. He would have done it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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