Nuncha Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 scrub - maybe off the packers practice squad seems to be their go to move If dickhead Jauron was coach then yea GB practice squad skum would be signed....
thewildrabbit Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 looks like the world cup's gonna have a new fan, eh? Every head coach that gets hired figures he has at the very least the length of his contract to prove he can turn the team into a winner. Clearly Jauron figured after his extension he would have time to develop Aaron Maybin, even if it took 2-3 years. What coaches don't realize is that it is a "win now" league. Drafting players that need 2-3 years to develop can kill a coach. Kay Stephenson drafted Bruce Smith, a lot of good it did him. I'm sure Cam Cameron thought he had more then one year in Miami, and 1-15 did him in. Bottom line, I like Chan Gailey and really want to see him get a shot at further developing Trent Edwards, but looking at that O line and both tackle and center positions needing upgrades, and then he ignores them in the draft and free agency so far. It shows me he can't develop any QB who is playing behind such a bad line. I'll still cheer for the Bills and hope that Gailey proves me wrong, although I highly doubt it. I suppose I'll await his firing and hope for the Bills owner to finally get fed up with losing. Something which he will never do as long as fans keep buying tickets. People forget what prompted RW to hire Chuck Knox ...10 straight years of losing to the Dolphins. He got very lucky with Bill Polian after back to back 2-14 seasons. Just don't forget that Polian was only promoted because the incumbent GM had a heart attack. Its not like Polian was hand picked to build the team, he fell into the job.
Thurman#1 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Amen brother... Plus the Bills new O line coach is an assistant from KC... that gives me some peace of mind Look at it this way, should the Bills lose enough to be in position to draft next years #1 overall ...I highly doubt Gailey will still be the head coach. The Bills have already understood that they are likely to be lousy this year. If they hadn't accepted that, they would have picked up Clausen or Pike and an LT. We're rebuilding. You don't seem ready to accept it, but it's very obvious that the Bills brass have. We're going to be lousy this year. If we're still lousy in 2012, they'll start to think about canning Gailey.
Thurman#1 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Wang is listed as the 3rd string LT right now, so of course losing Wang now forces the Bills to cave into whatever demands Baltimore has for an unmotivated, and lazy starter LT! If Gaither was so lousy and unmotivated, they would be happy to get something like a third for him. They won't, because they like him. But you're right on about Wang. When your 3rd stringer goes down, it doesn't put a whole lot of pressure on you to replace him immediately with a high-level guy.
Thurman#1 Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 When looking at entire OL roster, just amazing how youthful it is ... More Than 2 Years Experience: 74 Green, Cornell 6-6 315 33 9 Central Florida 63 Hangartner, Geoff 6-5 301 28 6 Texas A&M 73 Chambers, Kirk 6-7 315 31 6 Stanford 2nd Year: 70 Wood, Eric 6-4 315 24 2 Louisville 77 Bell, Demetrius 6-5 307 26 2 Northwestern State 61 Gaddis, Christian 6-1 300 25 2 Villanova 67 Levitre, Andy 6-2 305 24 2 Oregon State 69 Meredith, Jamon 6-5 304 24 2 South Carolina 76 Ramsey, Andre 6-5 322 22 2 Ball State 1st Year (but non-rookie): 66 Watkins, Jason 6-6 325 24 1 Florida 79 Hennessey, Nick 6-5 291 23 1 Colgate Rookies: 75 Allen, Sean 6-3 305 22 R East Carolina 60 Calloway, Kyle 6-7 315 22 R Iowa 62 Guerra, Jorge 6-3 300 22 R Texas A&M - Kingsville 68 Howard, Cordaro 6-4 314 22 R Georgia Tech 71 Wang, Ed 6-5 301 23 R Virginia Tech This is Bell's third year, not his second. There seems to be a desperate wish to believe that he was a rookie last year, probably because it would make his lousy performance seem more palatable. I've seen a lot of people make the same mistake. However, look it up and you will find that Bell has been a Bill for two years. This will be his third year.
BuffaloBlood Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 The Bills have already understood that they are likely to be lousy this year. If they hadn't accepted that, they would have picked up Clausen or Pike and an LT. We're rebuilding. You don't seem ready to accept it, but it's very obvious that the Bills brass have. We're going to be lousy this year. If we're still lousy in 2012, they'll start to think about canning Gailey. I am totally ok with rebuilding. I welcome rebuilding. But drafting a RB in the top 10 as your first pick of the new regime does not scream out rebuilding to me it says we want a new way to sell tickets without building a good team. Drafting front 5 on O and front 7 on D is how you rebuild a team. And to the two year plan concept: if this is year number one and we added a RB, DT, DE, WR with out first 4 picks does that mean that next year the plan is a QB a LT and a RT? Seems backwards to me.
yungmack Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 Im just at a loss as to how the Bills front office and coaching staff can take a look at our tackles, both starters and depth, and not shudder. Maybe because they're lifelong students of football and professionally accomplished evaluators of talent and you're not? Neither am I so I think I'll put my trust in Nixley. For now.
yungmack Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 I don't know Wang alone forces Buffalo's hand, but in my opinion I think they should try to add talent at every opportunity to the Offensive line, especially at left tackle when the opportunity presents itself. I think they should try to trade Lynch for Gaither even up as Lynch could become a very good to great running back if he gains some mental maturity. I think Gaither is good to very good and would fit Buffalo's needs. He obviously isn't a good enough all-around player for Baltimore to bypass drafting Michael Oher 2 yrs ago, but he is an obvious upgrade to what we have currently on our roster. Baltimore feels that he only fits at Right tackle on their roster and during his absence the Ravens had a couple players step-in and impress the coaching staff making Gaither expendible. What is it with this man crush some of you have on Gaither? Stop and think for a minute: why would a team be ready and willing to get rid of a guy who was a high draft pick just a couple of years ago? That should be a huge flashing red light that something ain't kosher with the guy.
BuffaloBlood Posted June 7, 2010 Author Posted June 7, 2010 What is it with this man crush some of you have on Gaither? Stop and think for a minute: why would a team be ready and willing to get rid of a guy who was a high draft pick just a couple of years ago? That should be a huge flashing red light that something ain't kosher with the guy. The reason they want to move him is because Oher fell into their lap last year and is a franchise LT. Sure moving Gaither to RT sounds smart to us but they don’t want to pay a right tackle left tackle money. That is the main reason they want to move him. Oh and you go right ahead and keep ur faith in Nix and his eye for talent and we will rehash this convo at the end of the year when the Bills are 2-14 took the most sacks in the NFL and lost at least 2 QBs to injury. You cannot be serious when you say that you are ok with this O Line and or the direction of this quote unquote rebuilding plan. Im sure you have been a Bills fan long enough to not be that naive.
thewildrabbit Posted June 7, 2010 Posted June 7, 2010 The Bills have already understood that they are likely to be lousy this year. If they hadn't accepted that, they would have picked up Clausen or Pike and an LT. We're rebuilding. You don't seem ready to accept it, but it's very obvious that the Bills brass have. We're going to be lousy this year. If we're still lousy in 2012, they'll start to think about canning Gailey. Your absolutely correct, I'm not ready to accept it...and neither should any head coach. That rebuilding crap is for 1-15 / 2-14 teams,this Bills team has been rebuilding for TEN YEARS! Every time they hire a new head coach he has to implement his schemes and system and players and it hasn't worked yet! This team was like 5 players away from being very good and most every Bills fan knows exactly what positions needed filling. (Left tackle)-(Right Tackle)- (Starting WR) -(OLB)-(NT for the 3-4) Ignoring that one position is going to haunt this team just like it did last season when jauron ignored it. The Bills could have addressed the WR position by making a play for Brandon Marshal- Anquan Bolden-Santonio Holms, instead the Dolphins, Jets and Ravens got way better. When Marv Levy was hired his first statement was " we are going to get as good as we can, as fast as we can!" Rebuilding is for losers and is an excuse for losing.
ChasBB Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 This is Bell's third year, not his second. There seems to be a desperate wish to believe that he was a rookie last year, probably because it would make his lousy performance seem more palatable. I've seen a lot of people make the same mistake. However, look it up and you will find that Bell has been a Bill for two years. This will be his third year. You may be correct, but I pulled this information directly from BuffaloBills.com roster.
apuszczalowski Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 I am totally ok with rebuilding. I welcome rebuilding. But drafting a RB in the top 10 as your first pick of the new regime does not scream out rebuilding to me it says we want a new way to sell tickets without building a good team. Drafting front 5 on O and front 7 on D is how you rebuild a team. And to the two year plan concept: if this is year number one and we added a RB, DT, DE, WR with out first 4 picks does that mean that next year the plan is a QB a LT and a RT? Seems backwards to me. or what it says is that the offence had no play makers and was unbearble with its inability to score points. This team ended the last few years with the same record when they had a Pro Bowl LT and a Revolving Door at LT. Your line just has to be good/serviceable to have success
apuszczalowski Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 The reason they want to move him is because Oher fell into their lap last year and is a franchise LT. Sure moving Gaither to RT sounds smart to us but they don’t want to pay a right tackle left tackle money. That is the main reason they want to move him. Oh and you go right ahead and keep ur faith in Nix and his eye for talent and we will rehash this convo at the end of the year when the Bills are 2-14 took the most sacks in the NFL and lost at least 2 QBs to injury. You cannot be serious when you say that you are ok with this O Line and or the direction of this quote unquote rebuilding plan. Im sure you have been a Bills fan long enough to not be that naive. What makes you actually believe this? They had basically this exact same o-line last year and yet they won 6 games (and were in many others they could have won)
Thurman#1 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 I am totally ok with rebuilding. I welcome rebuilding. But drafting a RB in the top 10 as your first pick of the new regime does not scream out rebuilding to me it says we want a new way to sell tickets without building a good team. Drafting front 5 on O and front 7 on D is how you rebuild a team. And to the two year plan concept: if this is year number one and we added a RB, DT, DE, WR with out first 4 picks does that mean that next year the plan is a QB a LT and a RT? Seems backwards to me. I didn't like taking an RB in the first either, even though I do like Spiller. But there are a lot of ways to rebuild. The one crucial thing is that you need to get a QB as early as possible, IMHO, but a few teams don't even go by that. Except for QB and WR, it doesn't take 3 years to learn most positions. So, there's a lot of flexibility in how to go about it. I wouldn't have done what they did. But they're still well within the boundaries of rebuilding.
Thurman#1 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 What is it with this man crush some of you have on Gaither? Stop and think for a minute: why would a team be ready and willing to get rid of a guy who was a high draft pick just a couple of years ago? That should be a huge flashing red light that something ain't kosher with the guy. Has it occurred to you that actually, the Ravens DON'T seem all that eager to get rid of him. If they were, he would be gone already. Why? Because he's damn good? Because they might well have a shot at the championship this year and are a much better team with Gaither? That's definitely something that is in their thinking. And in what universe is a fifth-rounder a high draft pick? Gaither was a supplemental draft fifth-rounder, who was the sixth-best tackle in the league last year according to the excellent profootballfocus.com.
Thurman#1 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Your absolutely correct, I'm not ready to accept it...and neither should any head coach. That rebuilding crap is for 1-15 / 2-14 teams,this Bills team has been rebuilding for TEN YEARS! Every time they hire a new head coach he has to implement his schemes and system and players and it hasn't worked yet! This team was like 5 players away from being very good and most every Bills fan knows exactly what positions needed filling. (Left tackle)-(Right Tackle)- (Starting WR) -(OLB)-(NT for the 3-4) Ignoring that one position is going to haunt this team just like it did last season when jauron ignored it. The Bills could have addressed the WR position by making a play for Brandon Marshal- Anquan Bolden-Santonio Holms, instead the Dolphins, Jets and Ravens got way better. When Marv Levy was hired his first statement was " we are going to get as good as we can, as fast as we can!" Rebuilding is for losers and is an excuse for losing. You're right. Rebuilding sucks. The only problem is that the only alternatives are much much worse. Such as continued sub-mediocrity. As a quick example .... how did that "we are going to get as good as we can, as fast as we can" thing work out for us?
Thurman#1 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 You may be correct, but I pulled this information directly from BuffaloBills.com roster. Actually, I am indeed correct, regardless of where the info comes from. Check anything about Bell and you can find out when he came out. Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft for example. He was a 7th rounder in 2008. He spent 2008 on the roster, not the practice squad, but was never activated to play in any games in 2008, and we all know about 2009.
Thurman#1 Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 or what it says is that the offence had no play makers and was unbearble with its inability to score points. This team ended the last few years with the same record when they had a Pro Bowl LT and a Revolving Door at LT. Your line just has to be good/serviceable to have success If your OL is only serviceable, and you want to have success, you had better be absolutely excellent pretty much everywhere else on your roster. That argument about how we didn't have success when we had Peters on the lineup and therefore a good LT is unimportant is crap. The Saints didn't have success with the terrific Archie Manning in the lineup at QB, and therefore a good QB is unimportant if we go by this specious logic. A good LT becomes hugely important when the rest of the line has no weak links. The whole time Peters was here, teams just attacked our weak links, such as center and LG instead. When there are no obvious weak links, then most of their attacks will come around LT, and that's when having a good one becomes huge. What makes you actually believe this? They had basically this exact same o-line last year and yet they won 6 games (and were in many others they could have won). You know, I think you missed the main point. Winning six games ... is that good? Yeah, they were in many others they could have won ... DID THEY WIN THEM? I don't believe they did. They had the exact same o-line last year? Really? Oh, man, am I relieved. I thought that Butler had retired. Glad he rethought that, because there's no question that he was the best OL on our team last year and will be again this year. And I'm so relieved to hear that they re-signed Incognito. Man, things are looking up indeed. And Bell will be out for eight games or so this year? Because that really helped us when he went out and Jonathan Scott came in. And speaking of Scott, who played eight games for us at LT last year, thank goodness the Bills did an about-face on that and decided to re-sign him. I had thought that he was gone, but if you say that we will have the same line, Scott must be on the roster, and thank goodness, because he played a lot better than Bell did. Kendall Simmons played a bunch for us, too. I could have sworn he hadn't returned. Must have been wrong. Seth McKinney played quite a bit last year too. Surprised to hear that he's back.
ChasBB Posted June 9, 2010 Posted June 9, 2010 Actually, I am indeed correct, regardless of where the info comes from. Check anything about Bell and you can find out when he came out. Try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_NFL_Draft for example. He was a 7th rounder in 2008. He spent 2008 on the roster, not the practice squad, but was never activated to play in any games in 2008, and we all know about 2009. That's the key line right there -- "was never activated". That's why he is listed as a 2nd-year guy instead of a 3rd-year guy. But I agree with you -- he should be considered to have more experience and thus more should be expected from him.
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