Rob's House Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 For those of you with pipe dreams that Levi Brown is going to come out of the woodwork and become a franchise QB, take a look at the list below. It is most of the starters since 1980 that came out in round 4 or later (I left off some lesser knowns, who started 1-2 games). Not to say that it can't be done, but most of the guys are fringe starters and journeymen backups, with the exception of a few (i.e. Brady in 2000) 1981 8 210 Wade Wilson 1985 11 285 Doug Flutie 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien 1987 4 98 Rich Gannon 1987 4 110 Steve Beuerlein 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete 1992 6 166 Jeff Blake 1993 5 118 Mark Brunell 1993 8 219 Elvis Grbac 1993 8 222 Trent Green 1994 7 197 Gus Frerotte 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson 1998 6 187 Matt Hasselbeck 1999 4 131 Aaron Brooks 2000 6 168 Marc Bulger 2000 6 199 Tom Brady 2000 7 212 Tim Rattay 2002 4 108 David Garrard 2005 4 106 Kyle Orton 2005 6 213 Derek Anderson 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel 2005 7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2007 7 217 Tyler Thigpen I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Mark Rypien fell apart, but after winning the Super Bowl. Trent Green, Mark Bulger and Mark Brunell put together some solid seasons and were franchise quality QBs at some pt in their careers, Matt Hasselbeck has effectively been the guy in Seattle for years. Rich Gannon was one of the best in the game when a neck injury forced him into retirement. And even though he floundered around for yrs in Canada, Flutie played well in Buffalo, if he'd come to town a year earlier and had a coach who understood offense he certainly could have been the franchise guy. A lot of the second tier guys on that list, while not superstars, had some decent seasons and may well have done better in different systems. This list actually leaves me feeling a little more encouraged that Brown might work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 For those of you with pipe dreams that Levi Brown is going to come out of the woodwork and become a franchise QB, take a look at the list below. It is most of the starters since 1980 that came out in round 4 or later (I left off some lesser knowns, who started 1-2 games). Not to say that it can't be done, but most of the guys are fringe starters and journeymen backups, with the exception of a few (i.e. Brady in 2000) 1981 8 210 Wade Wilson 1985 11 285 Doug Flutie 1986 6 146 Mark Rypien 1987 4 98 Rich Gannon 1987 4 110 Steve Beuerlein 1989 6 141 Rodney Peete 1992 6 166 Jeff Blake 1993 5 118 Mark Brunell 1993 8 219 Elvis Grbac 1993 8 222 Trent Green 1994 7 197 Gus Frerotte 1995 4 99 Rob Johnson 1998 6 187 Matt Hasselbeck 1999 4 131 Aaron Brooks 2000 6 168 Marc Bulger 2000 6 199 Tom Brady 2000 7 212 Tim Rattay 2002 4 108 David Garrard 2005 4 106 Kyle Orton 2005 6 213 Derek Anderson 2005 7 230 Matt Cassel 2005 7 250 Ryan Fitzpatrick 2007 7 217 Tyler Thigpen Adding in Romo, Warner, Delhomme, Moon, Garcia, etc that you forgot and this is a pretty impressive list considering we are talking about later rounders and UDFA's. In fact, this list actuall completely counter argues your point...some of these QB's were at one point Pro Bowlers, HOF's, Top 15, and top 10 in the league at points of their careers. At some point in their careers, these guys were considered top 10 in the league (some even considered the best then) Warner, Romo, Brady, Moon, Gannon, Hasselbeck At some point these guys were considered to be pretty good and made some Pro Bowls and won some SB's: Bulger, Brooks, Garrard, Flutie, Rypien, Green, Brunell (some of these guys had top 10 seasons too) These guys were not great, but they were solid through parts of their careers too: Peete, Blake, Grbac, Cassel, Orton, DA (Cassel and Orton are still young, but have had at least a solid season, and DA did have a Pro Bowl year in his somewhat young career too). So, considering the list is compiled of late round picks and UDFA's, it actually contains a lot of talent, including 3 guaranteed HOF's, MVP's, SB MVP's, Pro Bowlers, and guys who had solid careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 To be fair to the op, the odds ARE stacked against him. Count how many QB's were drafted total in those slots, it's probably 5-1 or more against finding a quality QB. If you count undrafteds then I'm sure the number will be higher. The point of the OP stands. Historically there's been some success stories (of varying degrees) out of the later rounds (list of QB's provided) BUT definitely the odds are stacked against Levi being one of the those successes. Don't get me wrong, I sure hope that he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanInLV Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 This list actually leaves me feeling a little more encouraged that Brown might work out. I was thinking the same thing! Many of the players mentioned aren't the second coming of Peyton manning, however they routinely managed and won games with average talent around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 The one thing I will say is that one year's 2nd round pick, for example, doesn't necessarily compare to another year's. For whatever reason teams shied away from QBs this year, not just because this year's class was viewed as weak. For example, how much difference was there between Sanchez's rating when he came out last year versus Clausen's this year? No much. Yet Sanchez was a top 5 pick, and Clausen fell to the end of the 2nd round. FWIW, many draftniks had Levi Brown rated as a 3rd rounder. Is it a long shot for him to make the team -- let alone ever become a starter? Yes, of course. But you just never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 24, 2010 Share Posted May 24, 2010 You fail to note the success rate of 1st and 2nd round picks at QB. While slightly better it's hardly considered a lock. The bottom line is that any QB you draft has about a 50-50 chance of succeeding in the NFL. PTR Stumbled across this...thought of you and thought you might like. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Promo-the-Robot/23012511161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno Smith's Arm Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 You guys do notice that that list cover's THIRTY YEARS. I wonder how many quarterbacks have been drafted in the later rounds (after the first three rounds) in all those years. I am also curious how long it took most of those guys to get any good. That's kinda critical when we are talking about say, another 5 seasons without strong quarterback play (Romo took what, 7 seasons before he won a playoff game, all the while playing for a team that has more resources, is a desired location for free agents, blahblahblah?) for a team that has already sucked for at least a decade. Yes, Levi might be pretty good in 7 years. I can understand your optimism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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