thewildrabbit Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 The Bills knew the guy was a project and a one trick pony, he had one move and that was run the arc, If a linemen got his hands on him he was done, he only played one year at Penn St and the world knew he was a developmental pick that "might" be good in a year or two. Lets not forget that all the posters in this forum wanted a DE that year and everyone was gushing about his speed and how that can't be taught. Now all you guys want to do is piss and moan about him...give him another year and see if he does develop.
bills in va Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Brian Orakpo played LINEBACKER last year on a team devoid of linebackers. Aaron Maybin's bosses put him at DEFENSIVE END on a team with veteran defensive ends. Orakpo probably would have had similar production on the Bills as the coach was trying to save his job. Another interesting Orakpo stat: He had 8 or so of his 11 sacks against the likes of Oakland, Tampa, KC and Detroit with NO sacks and about 8 total tackles in 6 games against the NFC EAST. To compare Maybin's '09 season to Orakpo is like comparing Malcolm Jenkins to Jairus Byrd. 500 posts and you've learned nothing! Maybin deservedly gets no love here. He did NOTHING last year regardless of where he played. If he played Orakpo's postion he would still do nothing. He was awesome at celebrating after jumping on a pile. Anytime the camera may have been on him he waived his hands hoping somebody would think he did a good job. He was absolutely terrible lst year and got beat out for OLB by a backup safety-no pride or talent! Can he redem himself? Yes if he earns a starting job and plays well. I understand he should never have been picked so high, but when he got his shots he sucked.
bills in va Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I am not defending Aaron Maybin, although I think he has to be better at LB. I am saying that it's ignorant to compare a LBs stat against a DE. Like you know Orakpo would have had 10 plus sacks on the Bills as a DE. I truly apologize for pointing out your ignorance. Go on about your whining and bitching. Comparing positions is hard. But both were taken because in college they got to the quarterback. No matter where they were on the field, Orakpo did and Maybin did not. When Maybin got his shot at OLB he got beat out by a back up safety.
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Yet, Myron Pryor had a more productive season as a DL.
starrymessenger Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Funny, I always compared him to Oher, who the Bills could/should have picked ahead of Orapko or Maybin. Bills pass rush/pressures were not that bad last year without Maybin. LT was a disaster.
Green Lightning Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Funny, I always compared him to Oher, who the Bills could/should have picked ahead of Orapko or Maybin. Bills pass rush/pressures were not that bad last year without Maybin. LT was a disaster. I'm also having a hard time finding any holes in this statement. What could have been................
JPS Posted May 19, 2010 Author Posted May 19, 2010 Okay, I give up. Maybin is a career failure after his 50 snaps at the wrong position and Orakpo is the better than LT. The most sane thing said above was we should have picked Oher. That need screamed way louder than the need for either of the above. Anyhoo, it's better that talking about 1991, Chan Gailey's barber or the merits of picking up Jamarcus Russell. Thank you for entertaining my thought. Resume hysteria.
JohnC Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I'm also having a hard time finding any holes in this statement. What could have been................ Are you aware that if we would have drafted Oher last year this year we wouldn't have any Gaither threads on TSW? How disapointing would that be?
SuperKillerRobots Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Brian Orakpo played LINEBACKER last year on a team devoid of linebackers. Aaron Maybin's bosses put him at DEFENSIVE END on a team with veteran defensive ends. Orakpo probably would have had similar production on the Bills as the coach was trying to save his job. Another interesting Orakpo stat: He had 8 or so of his 11 sacks against the likes of Oakland, Tampa, KC and Detroit with NO sacks and about 8 total tackles in 6 games against the NFC EAST. To compare Maybin's '09 season to Orakpo is like comparing Malcolm Jenkins to Jairus Byrd. I partly agree with what you're saying, but none of the circumstancial evidence you cite makes the little Maybin did look any better. I do think it's a joke that people thought Orakpo deserved the DROY more than Byrd.
SuperKillerRobots Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Wow, that sounds eerily similar to a certain PSU DE who padded his stats against the likes of Coastal Carolina and Syracuse. Great point JPS. And yet that same coach who was fighting for his job chose him. Stupid, huh? This is what maeks me crazy about the Maybin pick. Why the hell don't you take the guy with better production? DJ needs to save his job by putting together at least a middling but competitive season. He needs more out of the pass rush. First everyone says Orakpo won't be there when we pick, so we're probably stuck with Maybin or one of the other guys that really didn't do anything. Orakpo falls into their laps, with solid college production, no major issues (outside of the quietly stated and possibly overrated work ethic issues) and they don't take him. In hindsight it seems typical of the entire DJ era - basically a blind squirrel looking for a nut.
ieatcrayonz Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Denial isn't just a river in egypt I see. I thought it was but I guess Maybinot.
2003Contenders Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Funny, I always compared him to Oher, who the Bills could/should have picked ahead of Orapko or Maybin. Bills pass rush/pressures were not that bad last year without Maybin. LT was a disaster. With the sorry strength and conditioning staff that watched the Bills entire OL deplete last year, who's to say that Oher wouldn't have likewise fallen victim to the injury bug. That is about the best I can do in terms of playing devil's advocate, as Oher definitely should have been the choice. Sad that the Bills so often buck conventional wisdom and do things that baffle us all. By the same token, I don't want to dismiss Maybin just yet. After year one, the Redskins certainly look to be the winners in the Orakpo/Maybin sweepstakes. But that is after just a single year. Remember also that Maybin was a holdout, who missed virtually all of training camp last year. (Don't get me started on the need for slotting rookie salaries.) Maybin does have some skills -- as well as a freakish first step that can't be taught. The trouble is that last year, that quick jump was a non-factor as savvy offensive linemen just pushed him out of the play. It will be interesting to see how he performs this year given a full off-season and new coaching staff.
....lybob Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Maybin was a huge reach- a guy who is not ready to contribute at a high level now but may have that potential- guys like that are 2nd or 3rd rounders at best- Maybin has a similar build to Manny Lawson but he's a tad smaller and no where near the athlete that Lawson is- and I would argue that Lawson was a huge reach at the 22nd pick in the first round.
Sisyphean Bills Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Talking with S&C coach... S&C: Yeah, look how shiny the equipment is. The guys were just in here polishing this here thingie. Points to rack of weights. Guest: Polishing? Don't you mean lifting? S&C: Puzzled furrow on brow. Lifting? These thingies cost money. We want to keep them like new, not drop 'em and bust 'em! They're heavy after all.
Beerball Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Okay, I give up. Maybin is a career failure after his 50 snaps at the wrong position and Orakpo is the better than LT. The most sane thing said above was we should have picked Oher. That need screamed way louder than the need for either of the above. Anyhoo, it's better that talking about 1991, Chan Gailey's barber or the merits of picking up Jamarcus Russell. Thank you for entertaining my thought. Resume hysteria. Your right, and when your right your right. Maybin's stats do compare more favorably to Oher's. Maybin allowed 0 sacks last year, he is a success!!!
Chilly Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 All I have to say about Orakpo is that everyone on this board, who said to never draft another Texas Longhorn, was 100% right. Just like Cedric Griffin, Michael Griffin, Aaron Ross, Vince Young...... er.... um.... wait.
Bleed Bills Blue Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 In hindsight it seems typical of the entire DJ era - basically a blind squirrel looking for a nut. Which one is Jauron?
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