KD in CA Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 This is such a !@#$ing JOKE.....you cant build a !@#$ing McDonalds or raise a cell tower without scrutiny,discussion and critique......but somehow asking these folks to move their building two blocks over is "an assualt on who we are, as a Country." Comical. So now you are perfectly fine with a Mosque 4 blocks from the hallowed ground, just not 2 blocks away? How about 3 blocks, is that a good compromise?
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 You're unaware of the Freedom of McNuggets section of the 1st amendment? You mean the 2nd..."the right to bear Happy Meals shall not be infringed".
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 So now you are perfectly fine with a Mosque 4 blocks from the hallowed ground, just not 2 blocks away? How about 3 blocks, is that a good compromise? Didn't you hear? Our Sacred Dust never made it past 3.5 blocks.
GG Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Freedom of religion? Give me a break, there are over 100 mosques in NYC. Lower Manhattan is a commercial district so there isn't even a pressing need for a mosque there. This is a deliberate act by muslims to thumb their noses at America. Just like the insane terrorist trials being driven out of NYC by an outraged American public, so to will this middle finger of a mosque be driven out of Lower Manhattan because of an outraged American public who have the freedom to tell everyone supporting it to take a hike, then take a train or bus to a pity party in one of those 100 NYC mosques. Your ignorance of Lower Manhattan knows no bounds, which makes you among the millions of people who need to STFU about the project because it's a local issue, right? Again, the locals don't really have a big issue with the mosque or the Islamic center. But please don't forget to buy a nice picture souvenir and get in my way on the sidewalk on your next tourist trip to visit the hole.
GG Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 So now you are perfectly fine with a Mosque 4 blocks from the hallowed ground, just not 2 blocks away? How about 3 blocks, is that a good compromise? Well, you really need to define the perimeter. It's technically four blocks away from the nearest twin tower. After all, the other five WTC buildings don't count.
GG Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I wouldn't consider myself a liberal. But I do hate comments like that. America haters? Give me a break. Just because this thread is off kilter, doesn't mean you get away with making a ridiculous comment.
keepthefaith Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Caveat being that the zoning board in NYC has already approved it, apparently. If they hadn't, I might concede your point. If they hadn't based on religious reasoning, however, I'd complain. Loudly. Zoning regulations based on perceived religious propriety? Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? Yes, they have approved it and I question the decision. Had they done otherwise, they would have been criticized also for sure. I believe they chose the greater of two evils and would have served the local taxpayers better by simply suggesting to the developer that they find another site. Taking all of the religious crap out of the equation, they have approved the construction of a new business facility. The business is controversial in nature and may create security and crime risks and the added expense to the city for this reason. Same as a strip club, casino or dirty book store might in some areas. It's just not a good fit for that neighborhood.
keepthefaith Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Your ignorance of Lower Manhattan knows no bounds, which makes you among the millions of people who need to STFU about the project because it's a local issue, right? Again, the locals don't really have a big issue with the mosque or the Islamic center. But please don't forget to buy a nice picture souvenir and get in my way on the sidewalk on your next tourist trip to visit the hole. You're gouing to learn that your comment that the locals don't have a big issue is very false.
GG Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 You're gouing to learn that your comment that the locals don't have a big issue is very false. Most of the noise has been externally generated. If there was a local concern, there would be police presence. There's nothing, nada, zip. There's not even a crowd when the TV cameras show up. Nobody cares.
Heels20X6 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I'm not advocating beating anyone up or terrorizing anyone. But there's nothing wrong with reminding them of the poor nature of their decision. Nothing to see here, though, because within 6 months, the average American's ADHD addled brains will have moved on from this "controversy." Lindsay Lohan should be getting out of jail soon....that should distract us while Iran enriches weapons grade plutonium...
1billsfan Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I'm pretty sure if a Muslim typed anything, his reaction would be along the lines of "Tell it to Osama, you !@#$ing sand !@#$." It's embarrassing that you have nothing left to offer but to stoop to pulling out the race card. Al Sharpton would be so proud of you. Too bad for you, the American people have spoken and they think that your support for the mosque in Lower Manhattan in the name of religious freedom is utter nonsense. This will go the same way as the attempted NYC terrorist trials in NYC and everyone on the wrong side of this will be voted out this coming november. Americans are tired of being preached to and it's not going to be pretty for you liberals that day.
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Yes, they have approved it and I question the decision. Had they done otherwise, they would have been criticized also for sure. I believe they chose the greater of two evils and would have served the local taxpayers better by simply suggesting to the developer that they find another site. Taking all of the religious crap out of the equation, they have approved the construction of a new business facility. The business is controversial in nature and may create security and crime risks and the added expense to the city for this reason. Same as a strip club, casino or dirty book store might in some areas. It's just not a good fit for that neighborhood. Except that you can't take the religious crap out of it; it's a fundamental tenet of law that religious beliefs (unlike business models) are not treated unequally. As a practical legal matter, you cannot zone out just one religion from a site...which is pretty much what most of the detractors are talking about. It is fundamentally different than zoning out an adult book store in favor of a Barnes & Noble. As far as practical concerns about safety and municipal cost, and not being a good fit for the neighborhood...you're right. Still doesn't supercede the First Amendment.
KD in CA Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Well, you really need to define the perimeter. It's technically four blocks away from the nearest twin tower. After all, the other five WTC buildings don't count. Especially the one the government blew up. Woah....thread hijack alert!! Excellent point on the perimeter. Hopefully RK will offer up some clarity on the acceptable rules for Mosque building.
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 It's embarrassing that you have nothing left to offer but to stoop to pulling out the race card. Al Sharpton would be so proud of you. Too bad for you, the American people have spoken and they think that your support for the mosque in Lower Manhattan in the name of religious freedom is utter nonsense. This will go the same way as the attempted NYC terrorist trials in NYC and everyone on the wrong side of this will be voted out this coming november. Americans are tired of being preached to and it's not going to be pretty for you liberals that day. I'm not a liberal, moron. And do you really want to argue that your self-righteous hatred of Islam somehow supercedes the US Constitution? Because that is what you're doing. You're either with the Constitution, or you're against it.
1billsfan Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Your ignorance of Lower Manhattan knows no bounds, which makes you among the millions of people who need to STFU about the project because it's a local issue, right? Again, the locals don't really have a big issue with the mosque or the Islamic center. But please don't forget to buy a nice picture souvenir and get in my way on the sidewalk on your next tourist trip to visit the hole. Epic fail... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/...l-97602569.html
Heels20X6 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I'm not a liberal, moron. And do you really want to argue that your self-righteous hatred of Islam somehow supercedes the US Constitution? Because that is what you're doing. You're either with the Constitution, or you're against it. And if you're against the Constitution, you're pretty much against America. Ergo, you hate America. Congrats!
Heels20X6 Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Epic fail... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/...l-97602569.html PWNED by his own article... "Broken down by borough, Manhattan was the most in favor of the mosque, with only 36 percent of residents against it. " So GG's statement about people near the vicinity not being opposed of it was correct. Try again America Hater!
DC Tom Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Epic fail... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/...l-97602569.html Epic fail yourself. Your own link says that a majority of THE LOCALS (i.e. people actually on Manhattan) aren't against it.
1billsfan Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 I'm not a liberal, moron. And do you really want to argue that your self-righteous hatred of Islam somehow supercedes the US Constitution? Because that is what you're doing. You're either with the Constitution, or you're against it. I never said that it was constitutional to stop the building of the mosque. Although I think that it possibly could be done in the name of national security considering the imam's past radical comments and the war we are fighting against radical islam. But it won't come to that, it will come down to good old fashioned American public pressure against it that will force the imam to move the mosque's location.
KD in CA Posted August 17, 2010 Posted August 17, 2010 Epic fail... http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/...l-97602569.html Is the epic fail your inability to read or to understand NYC geography? The center is being built in Manhattan, specially Lower Manhattan. What someone in Staten Island thinks is completely irrelevant in a discussion about the opinion of 'locals'. Broken down by borough, Manhattan was the most in favor of the mosque, with only 36 percent of residents against it. On the other end of the spectrum was Staten Island, where 73 percent of respondents were opposed. "Liberal Manhattan accepts the mosque and trusts Islam," observed Carroll. "Staten Island, where there's controversy about another proposed mosque, is more skeptical."
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